Titles

[Redwolf]

Wait you forgot that the anti-christ is supposed to die and comeback top life.

Peace

I refrain from 'supposed-tos'

 

[Deb7777]

Who gave these titles to the pope?

• "Most Divine of all Heads."
• "Holy Father of Fathers."
• "Pontiff Supreme Over Prelates."
• "Overseer of the Christian Religion."
• "Pastor of Pastors."
• "Christ by Unction."
• "Abraham by Patriachate."
• "Melchisedec in Order."
• "Moses in Authority."
• "Samuel in the Judicial Office."
• "High Priest, Supreme Bishop."
• "Heir to the Apostles; Peter in Power."
• "Key-bearer of the Kingdom of Heaven."
• "Pontiff Appointed with Plenitude of Power."
• "Vicar of Christ."
• "Vicar of the Son of God."
• "Sovereign Priest."
• "Head of all the Holy Churches."
• "Chief of the Universal Church."
• "Bishop of Bishops."
• "Ruler of the House of the Lord."
• "Apostolic Lord and Father of Fathers."
• "Chief Pastor and Teacher."
• "Physician of Souls."
• "Rock against which the proud gates of hell prevail not."
• "Infallible Pope."
• "Head of All the Holy Priests of God"
• "Chief bridge maker"

Is it me, or is this excessive?

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The Pope alone is called most holy...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

Is this possible? I hope our Catholic friends can shed some light on these perplexities. What on earth could prompt a man to call himself God? I don't understand it. He's just a man.

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I see some anti- catholics sites posting this list. Lets take the first title:" Most Divine of all Heads" Show us the context for the term, when and where does it appear in the Catholic Church,then we will be better to comment.

 

[Tonks]

I see some anti- catholics sites posting this list. Lets take the first title:" Most Divine of all Heads" Show us the context for the term, when and where does it appear in the Catholic Church,then we will be better to comment.

I've been Catholic my entire life and, frankly, I have not heard most of those titles. Whether they are real or not is irrelevant to *my* faith - and this is, as correctly noted, a Protestant obsession.

 

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W[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]uge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

Is this possible? I hope our Catholic friends can shed some light on these perplexities. What on earth could prompt a man to call himself God? I don't understand it. He's just a man.

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Who? Some of those are from protestants who deliberately lie about the Pope because they believe any means of attaching the Church is justified by the ends.

The Pope is the same as an apostle. No more, no less. No prerson, no matter how fanatical, can find something different between what the Catholics believe of the Pope and what all Christians believe of the apostles.

 

[linssue55]

Who gave these titles to the pope?




Answer........MAN in his Arrogance!


NO MAN (Pope) should EVER , EVER, be thought of so highly......ONLY our Lord deserves such praise and worship. Popes are sinners just like all other mankind.

"ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD"!!!! This includes popes!

 

[BrightCandle]

I see some anti- catholics sites posting this list. Lets take the first title:" Most Divine of all Heads" Show us the context for the term, when and where does it appear in the Catholic Church,then we will be better to comment.

Here is some historical backround one of the first titles, "Pontifex Maximus", that the early Popes used to exalt themselves as supreme rulers in Christendom, in much the same way that the Roman Emperors did in Pagan Rome. It gives strong evidence of how early in church history,that pagan Roman practices gradually crept into the church of Rome.

Encyclopedia Article

In Ancient Rome, the Pontifex Maximus was the high priest of the collegium of the Pontifices, the most august position in Roman religion, open only to a patrician, until 254 BC, when a plebeian first occupied this post. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office.
Today, Pontifex Maximus is one of the titles of the Bishop of Rome as Roman Catholic Pope. As a papal title, the English translation Supreme Pontiff is customary, reserving Pontifex Maximus for the former pagan Roman post.

At the end of the 6th century Gregory I was the first Pope to employ "Pontifex maximus" in a formal sense, in a broader program of asserting Roman primacy. It has remained one of the titles of the popes to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_Maximus

 

[BrightCandle]

Who? Some of those are from protestants who deliberately lie about the Pope because they believe any means of attaching the Church is justified by the ends.

The Pope is the same as an apostle. No more, no less. No prerson, no matter how fanatical, can find something different between what the Catholics believe of the Pope and what all Christians believe of the apostles.

Name an Apostle who exalted himself witht the title of "Great" or "Supreme" Apostle? And yet, early on in the history of the RCC Popes had the audacity to make these pompous claims!

Encyclopedia Britannica

Leo, one of only two popes accorded the appellation “the Great,” played a pivotal role in the early history of the papacy. Assuming the title pontifex maximus, or chief priest, he made an important distinction between the person of the pope and his office, maintaining that the office assumed the full power bestowed on Peter. Although the Council of Chalcedon—called and largely directed by the Eastern emperor Marcian in 451—accorded the patriarch of Constantinople the same primacy in the East that the bishop of Rome held in the West, it acknowledged that Leo I spoke with the voice of Peter on matters of dogma, thus encouraging papal primacy. The link between Peter and the office of the bishop of Rome was stressed by Pope Gelasius I (492–496), who was the first pope to be referred to as the “vicar of Christ.” In his “theory of the two swords,” Gelasius articulated a dualistic power structure, insisting that the pope embodied spiritual power while the emperor embodied temporal power. This position, which was supported by Pope Pelagius I (556–561), became an important part of medieval ecclesiology and political theory.

"papacy." Encyclopædia Britannica from Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. <http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-214716> [Accessed February*3, 2006].

 

[jckstraw72]

"The King of the Delta Blues".

have you noticed how every blues guitarist is known as the king of the blues?

 

[linssue55]

Who gave these titles to the pope?

• "Most Divine of all Heads."
• "Holy Father of Fathers."
• "Pontiff Supreme Over Prelates."
• "Overseer of the Christian Religion."
• "Pastor of Pastors."
• "Christ by Unction."
• "Abraham by Patriachate."
• "Melchisedec in Order."
• "Moses in Authority."
• "Samuel in the Judicial Office."
• "High Priest, Supreme Bishop."
• "Heir to the Apostles; Peter in Power."
• "Key-bearer of the Kingdom of Heaven."
• "Pontiff Appointed with Plenitude of Power."
• "Vicar of Christ."
• "Vicar of the Son of God."
• "Sovereign Priest."
• "Head of all the Holy Churches."
• "Chief of the Universal Church."
• "Bishop of Bishops."
• "Ruler of the House of the Lord."
• "Apostolic Lord and Father of Fathers."
• "Chief Pastor and Teacher."
• "Physician of Souls."
• "Rock against which the proud gates of hell prevail not."
• "Infallible Pope."
• "Head of All the Holy Priests of God"
• "Chief bridge maker"

Is it me, or is this excessive?

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The Pope alone is called most holy...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

Is this possible? I hope our Catholic friends can shed some light on these perplexities. What on earth could prompt a man to call himself God? I don't understand it. He's just a man.

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There NOT!!!!!!!!

This has happened because of man's Arrogance.

ONLY our Lord deserves such praise. Popes are sinners just like ALL other believers, and some Popes are WORSE sinners than ordinary believers. They are JUST men. And when the Lord comes again, THEY will bow down to the Lord too.

There is great sin in putting people on a pedestal like people do with the popes......and you can bet the Lord doesn't like it at all!!

"There shall be NO OTHER GODS before me or after me".

"ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God". ............"ALL"!!!!!!!

 

[BrightCandle]

have you noticed how every blues guitarist is known as the king of the blues?

jckstraw,

With all due respect, what do "blues artists" have to do with the titles claimed by the Papacy?

 

[jckstraw72]

ONLY our Lord deserves such praise. Popes are sinners just like ALL other believers, and some Popes are WORSE sinners than ordinary believers. They are JUST men. And when the Lord comes again, THEY will bow down to the Lord too.

while i agree that such praise for the Papacy (note that these titles are due to the Petrine succession, not bc of who any one Pope is) gets to be excessive, a few points must be made:
1. Titles for the Pope do not detract from the praise due to God.
2. No one denies that Popes are sinners.
3. To judge some of them as worse sinners should not be done. We are all sinners, and we dont know their hearts, nor the hearts of anyone else to compare them to.
4. They are indeed just men. BUT Jesus commanded us to be holy as the Father is holy. The office of the Papacy is a holy job, as it is dedicated to serving Christ (not that the person in it is necessarily holy).

 

[jckstraw72]

jckstraw,

With all due respect, what do "blues artists" have to do with the titles claimed by the Papacy?

someone else mentioned the title "King of the Blues" first, i was just responding

 

[stray bullet]

Here is some historical backround one of the first titles, "Pontifex Maximus", that the early Popes used to exalt themselves as supreme rulers in Christendom, in much the same way that the Roman Emperors did in Pagan Rome. It gives strong evidence of how early in church history,that pagan Roman practices gradually crept into the church of Rome.

What on Earth does it have to do with paganism?

 

[stray bullet]

Name an Apostle who exalted himself witht the title of "Great" or "Supreme" Apostle? And yet, early on in the history of the RCC Popes had the audacity to make these pompous claims!

Name one pope that gave himself the title of "Great"?

The idea of being 'supreme' comes from Scripture, Holy Tradition. the Ecumenical Councils and the Church fathers.

 

[linssue55]

Never fear, the Lord is in control of history. Don't forget, in the tribulation the "Scarlett W-hore" will be destroyed by another faction. God has a great sense of humor......lol, He has two evil's that destroy each other. This is really killing two birds with one stone. Love it, LOL.

 

[BrightCandle]

Name one pope that gave himself the title of "Great"?

The idea of being 'supreme' comes from Scripture, Holy Tradition. the Ecumenical Councils and the Church fathers.

Did you read the BC article that I posted earlier? Note, the phrase that referred to Pope Leo the Great:

"Leo, one of only two popes accorded the appellation &#8220;the Great,&#8221; played a pivotal role in the early history of the papacy."

 

[BrightCandle]

Name one pope that gave himself the title of "Great"?

The idea of being 'supreme' comes from Scripture, Holy Tradition. the Ecumenical Councils and the Church fathers.

This is where "Supreme Pontiff" came from, note, that its origins were pagan.


In Ancient Rome, the Pontifex Maximus was the high priest of the collegium of the Pontifices, the most august position in Roman religion, open only to a patrician, until 254 BC, when a plebeian first occupied this post. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office.
Today, Pontifex Maximus is one of the titles of the Bishop of Rome as Roman Catholic Pope. As a papal title, the English translation Supreme Pontiff is customary, reserving Pontifex Maximus for the former pagan Roman post.

At the end of the 6th century Gregory I was the first Pope to employ "Pontifex maximus" in a formal sense, in a broader program of asserting Roman primacy. It has remained one of the titles of the popes to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_Maximus

 

[stray bullet]

Did you read the BC article that I posted earlier? Note, the phrase that referred to Pope Leo the Great:

"Leo, one of only two popes accorded the appellation “the Great,” played a pivotal role in the early history of the papacy."

And what does this have to do with your accusations of Pope's giving themselves the title of "Great"?

You are trying to make a text say something which is clearly does not. It says nothing about Leo giving himself the title.

Anything else?

 

[stray bullet]

This is where "Supreme Pontiff" came from, note, that its origins were pagan.

<snip>

All you did was repost the copyrighted article. How does this relate to the introduction of paganism into Catholicism, as you claim?

Use your own words, don't take material from an public service anyone is able to write and use them as though they defend your claims without explaining, precisely, how.

 

[BrightCandle]

And what does this have to do with your accusations of Pope's giving themselves the title of "Great"?

You are trying to make a text say something which is clearly does not. It says nothing about Leo giving himself the title.

Anything else?

Here is another article from the Catholic Encyclopedia. I hope that you recognize the CE as a good source of historical information being that you are Catholic. Note, where it says that Pope Gregory "claimed" the title for himself to exhalt himself over all of Christendom.

Catholic Encyclopedia

There cannot be the smallest doubt that Gregory claimed for the Apostolic See, and for himself as pope, a primacy not of honor, but of supreme authority over the Church Universal. In Epp., XIII, l, he speaks of "the Apostolic See, which is the head of all Churches", and in Epp., V, cliv, he says: "I, albeit unworthy, have been set up in command of the Church." As successor of St. Peter, the pope had received from God a primacy over all Churches (Epp., II, xlvi; III, xxx; V, xxxvii; VII, xxxvii).

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06780a.htm