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I have talked to people who tithe and question this legalist aspect. They responded by saying its the Principle they follow or giving of your First Fruits to God not necessarily obeying a Old Testament command . I have also heard of the teaching of "Seed Faith."
!. I still know of no one who had tested God with tithing according to Malachi, and not seen a miraculous increase in prosperity.
2. That passage says that not tithing releases "the devourer" in the land. so, not tithing is why we have so much demonic activity in the land.
3. Not tithing is supposedly stealing from God, who controls the government. The punishment for stealing is to pay back four-fold what was stolen. So, God's government taxes non-tithers four fold what is not tithed (or given.) Hence our current tax rates.
4. This is just, because the government has to deal with crime, or other demonic activity. Non-tithers cause more of this, more expense to the government.
5. People are poor because they are stealing from God. All tithers prosper. Poor people getting charity ought to be told why they are poor, and exhorted to test God as he says, to start prospering. Hence, charity ought never to be a non-religious government activity. When the churches are solely responsible for charity, they can teach those seeking help how to prosper in God.
We agree more than one might think. First, I agree that the prosperity that comes from tithing is an outpouring from heaven, including a recognition of what is true wealth. The fine cars are what I believe James is talking about when he warns woe to those who are rich. "Let the poor say 'I am rich.'" So, I watched for an honest expression of prosperity, peace, joy, giving generously, and a freedom from the poisonous riches declared by the world.
Second, in my role as a watchman, I have found both greater faithfulness and effectiveness as I was faithful, first in tithing, then in giving. The world has experienced less of the "devourer" since then. As I have watched others get restless about sin in the world, and asked God about it, He has told me that deep inside many sense their own guilt, through their robbing God in not tithing or giving. So, my prophetic experience confirms this reasonable argument.
Third, the law is a tutor to lead to Christ, and our righteousness must exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees for us to truly receive salvation. Jesus commended them for at least tithing. A "by this you know" which we look at to "be sure of our calling and election," is our giving. Believers ought not tithe, but they ought to be giving way above the tithe. If they are not, they ought to question their salvation, and start using the tithe as the minimum standard of their giving. Many "believe" they are saved, but are deluded, according to the parables about salvation given by Jesus. "Tithing," as an act of "buying the truth" and as a refresher course with the tutor, will squelch this delusion.
Well you keep precise enough track of it to know assuredly that it exceeds 10% of your gross income. Can you be just as sure that it would exceed 23% which is the figure you would have to pay if you wanted to tithe correctly? That's right, the tithe under the Mosaic Law ended up amounting to 23%. Roughly equivalent to the average tax rate many working people are paying today. 23% + 23% = 46% and if you easily exceed that we're looking at more than 1/2 your wage going to the tax-man and the church. Can you in all honesty stand before God and declare that you are doing this?
If you're not I have some good news for you. It doesn't matter. The command was issued to Israel when they were under the Mosaic Law. It was never issued to Christians under the New Covenant. Try reading the book of Galatians with tithing in the back of your mind and you'll get the drift.
Your kind of saying 2 things here, Jesus showed them they tithed, yet they did not keep the law, which shows hypocrisy, yet you seem to use them as our example of righteousness, by tithing. Question salvation? Then does salvation come by tithing, or works? They tithed, but were hypocrites.
I give to a christian charity that provides food, jobs, and the gospel for the poor in third world countries. This doesn't seem to count with the tithe teachers who only want the 10% to go to them. I don't get that, should I stop helping the poor so that I can give 10% to a church in a wealthy nation?I have talked to people who tithe and question this legalist aspect. They responded by saying its the Principle they follow or giving of your First Fruits to God not necessarily obeying a Old Testament command . I have also heard of the teaching of "Seed Faith."
I give to a christian charity that provides food, jobs, and the gospel for the poor in third world countries. This doesn't seem to count with the tithe teachers who only want the 10% to go to them. I don't get that, should I stop helping the poor so that I can give 10% to a church in a wealthy nation?
I asked God what He wanted us to understand today about the message of Galations. He said that the modern day Galations were those who said that the bible is the word of God. He said that His Son, Yeshua, the one that many call Jesus, is the word of God. He is the tree of life. The bible is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It grows in the center of our life, and it ought to be tended and cared for. But not eaten from. Not used for doctrine. Not the word of God, though it contains many words from God in times past. He said that modern day Galations may know themselves by the relative frequency of their saying, "The bible says..." versus their saying, "God is saying....". Those who say, "The bible says..." have wandered from fellowship with God back to living by some set of written rules.
I remind all that we all can prophesy, we all prophesy in part, all prophesy is subject to judgment by other prophesy. So, who has what is needed to add to this, and who has a prophetic judgement of this?
yeah it seems odd that a church would REQUIRE tithe, like all other aspects of faith, it should be something you WANT to do, because you believe.
Why is it a sin, to not ttihe, when for it to be a transgression, there must be law law saying we have to, as per Rom 4;15, and 5;13.Tithing was as far as their righteousness went, according to Jesus. Ours must go further, if we want to enter the kingdom. Now, our righteousness is perfected through faith that He became sin with our sin, that we might be righteous with His righteousness. He speaks that to us, we hear it, we confess or repeat what we heard, and faith comes through which we are saved. If we have not tithed, or given even more generously, and are convicted, we might confess this as sin, be forgiven, and set on the path to be transformed into a cheerful giver. We are of course saved the moment we confess the sin, whatever the conviction.
Take time in your prayer closet to "make sure of your calling and election." This is the strongest exhortation in all of scripture. ("with even more than all diligence") Seek to be convicted of whatever He may want you to repent of. My counsel here is only that: counsel. Something for you to ask Him about. Something you might try, if you cannot honestly report that you know His voice.
yeah it seems odd that a church would REQUIRE tithe, like all other aspects of faith, it should be something you WANT to do, because you believe.
We can be stingy tithers too. Giving our tenth...and patting our proverbial backs.
I put it this way: Tithing is a great place for Christian giving to BEGIN. If you're not there...strive to get there. If you are there...strive to go further.
John Fogarty said, when we ask them how much should we give, the only answer is more more more. Greed has 2 daughters, More and More.
It is enough.
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