Time For This Challenge Again

[HitchSlap]

Its an honest seven questions, enlighten us. Don't worry its not a bear trap, I am genuinely curious...

Loaded quesstions are “honest” now, are they?

 

[AV1611VET]

Loaded quesstions are “honest” now, are they?

I'll bet you didn't think they were loaded when you were experiencing them, did you?

(Or did you experience them?)

 

[Archie Dupont]

I've heard rumors of one animal that emits electromagnetic radiation in the 700nm range.

Creation or evolution?

Picture or it didn't happen

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't consider arguments from incredulity to provoke thought, but rather I consider you've stopped trying to improve your understanding.
You may have more success being direct.

I only argue creation over evolution based (mainly) on incredulity. Everything else I use evidence or common sense.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I know you think that, but the intention of your posts, is pretty transparent.

My intention is to be helpful, and I hope that is quite transparent.

 

[AV1611VET]

Picture or it didn't happen

 

[HitchSlap]

I only argue creation over evolution based (mainly) on incredulity. Everything else I use evidence or common sense.

Unfortunately for you, most of us here understand ToE, and aren’t as impressed with your incredulity as you are.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Unfortunately for you, most of us here understand ToE, and aren’t as impressed with your incredulity as you are.

Why 'unfortunately' for me?

 

[HitchSlap]

Why 'unfortunately' for me?

Arguments from incredulity have no traction here.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Arguments from incredulity have no traction here.

Asking difficult questions isn't always incredulity.

 

[HitchSlap]

Asking difficult questions isn't always incredulity.

That's my point... they're not difficult to anyone who understands ToE. You only serve to muddy the waters.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's my point... they're not difficult to anyone who understands ToE. You only serve to muddy the waters.

All I ask for is the mathematical odds of evolution ever happening. That shouldn't be too difficult. Haven't many scientists, among them Carl Sagan, stated that "against all odds, evolution did happen." I just want to know what those odds were.

If those odds go past the realm of possibility, then there you have it.

 

[HitchSlap]

All I ask for is the mathematical odds of evolution ever happening.

Pretty good, I'd say, since life exists, and over the last 158 years we've figured out how.

That shouldn't be too difficult.

It's not.

Haven't many scientists, among them Carl Sagan, stated that "against all odds, evolution did happen." I just want to know what those odds were.

We may never know what those odds are. We'd have to know how large our universe is, and how many planets hospitable to life evolving exist.

If those odds go past the realm of possibility, then there you have it.

It's moot to discuss the odds of something happening when we know it's happened once, already. In fact, using Bayesian inference of prior probabilities, there's a possible chance it's happened somewhere else in the universe.

 

[bhsmte]

Asking difficult questions isn't always incredulity.

Questions that can be dismissed easily, are not difficult questions.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Haven't many scientists, among them Carl Sagan, stated that "against all odds, evolution did happen." I just want to know what those odds were.

It's hard to know what he meant without any context.

I'm curious to know where Carl Sagan said that, and/or where 'many scientists' said that. Citation?

 

[AV1611VET]

All I ask for is the mathematical odds of evolution ever happening.

QV please:

Evolutionist Harold Morowitz estimated the probability for chance formation of even the simplest form of living organism at 1/10 to the 340,000,000th power. By comparison only 10 to the 20th power grains of sand could fit within a cubic mile and 10 billion times more (10 to the 30th power) would fit inside the entire earth. So, the probability of forming a simple cell by chance processes is infinitely less likely than having a blind person select one specifically marked grain of sand out of an entire earth filled with sand.

There is nowhere near enough time nor matter in the entire universe for even the simplest cell to have formed by chance combinations. Even if all the correct chemicals somehow came together in the correct place, you still wouldn't have life. This is exactly the situation every time a living organism dies. Immediately after death, all the right chemicals exist, in the right proportions, and in the right place -- yet the creature is still dead!

SOURCE

 

[HitchSlap]

QV please:



SOURCE

This Harold Morowitz?

He also said this:

“Energy can create order,” Dr. Olds said, “and life, if anything, is order.”

and this:

"In 1983, he testified in McLean v. Arkansas, a case that successfully challenged a state law mandating the teaching of “creation science” in Arkansas public schools. Professor Morowitz described creation science as “somewhat deceptive” and said its proponents “play rather fast and loose with the use of the second law of thermodynamics to indicate that the natural origin of life would not be possible.”

 

[AV1611VET]

This Harold Morowitz?

He also said this:

“Energy can create order,” Dr. Olds said, “and life, if anything, is order.”

and this:

"In 1983, he testified in McLean v. Arkansas, a case that successfully challenged a state law mandating the teaching of “creation science” in Arkansas public schools. Professor Morowitz described creation science as “somewhat deceptive” and said its proponents “play rather fast and loose with the use of the second law of thermodynamics to indicate that the natural origin of life would not be possible.”

Hmmm ...

I wonder if he got a parking ticket too!

That would certainly invalidate his estimate of probability, wouldn't it!?

 

[HitchSlap]

Hmmm ...

I wonder if he got a parking ticket too!

That would certainly invalidate his estimate of probability, wouldn't it!?

Yes, he was wearing a green sock that day.

 

[joshua 1 9]

emonstrate what is "real" with evidence.

Not my job, not my department.