Time For This Challenge Again

[AV1611VET]

Reality FTW!

Don't you guys boast that evolution is viable, even without a fossil record?

 

[HitchSlap]

Don't you guys boast that evolution is viable, even without a fossil record?

More of an observation, really. But yes, ToE boasts of multiple independent lines of evidence, all putting a nail in the coffin that is creationism. Creationism is a myth, and should be left for what it is.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism is a myth, and should be left for what it is.

Creationism is the belief in creationism: a series of miracles that raised the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to what it is today.

 

[HitchSlap]

Creationism is the belief in creationism: a series of miracles that raised the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to what it is today.

Creationism is a belief in an ancient desert goat herding nomadic myth. Nothing more.

 

[Greg Merrill]

There is no difference between creation and evolution because they are both based on the same evidence.

They may be both based on the same evidence, but they come to different conclusions after evaluating the evidence in different ways, and so are different.

 

[HitchSlap]

They may be both based on the same evidence, but they come to different conclusions after evaluating the evidence in different ways, and so are different.

They are not based on the same evidence. Creationism is based on an ancient myth. ToE is based on 158 years of solid data. The confusion for Christians comes into play when professional creationists distort the data to support their religious views.

For an example, watch this:

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Creationism is a belief in an ancient desert goat herding nomadic myth. Nothing more.

Not so. I look at organisms and conclude that they were purposefully created, not randomly assembled by some mystical process over millions of years.

 

[Greg Merrill]

They are not based on the same evidence. Creationism is based on an ancient myth. ToE is based on 158 years of solid data. The confusion for Christians comes into play when professional creationists distort the data to support their religious views.

For an example, watch this:

Use the following link to go to the Institute of Creation Research, Acts & Facts archives.

Articles in ACTS & FACTS related to the similarity between chimpanzees and humans can be found in the following issues.

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Apr 2010

May 2011

Jul 2011

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Feb 2014

 

[HitchSlap]

Not so. I look at organisms and conclude that they were purposefully created, not randomly assembled by some mystical process over millions of years.

This would be a wrong way to look at the data. Science doesn't exist in a vacuum.

 

[HitchSlap]

Use the following link to go to the Institute of Creation Research, Acts & Facts archives.

Articles in ACTS & FACTS related to the similarity between chimpanzees and humans can be found in the following issues.

Sorry, I only accept data from real scientists, not people with unrelated degrees with a religious agenda.

BTW, I posted a video of a real time event, where creationists were caught in a flat out lie, and you choose to ignore it. Why?

 

[Greg Merrill]

This would be a wrong way to look at the data. Science doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Isn't the scientist that rules out the existence of God and the possibility of God being the Creator of all things... working in a form of a vacuum?

 

[HitchSlap]

Isn't the scientist that rules out the existence of God and the possibility of God being the Creator of all things... working in a form of a vacuum?

Which scientist?

 

[Greg Merrill]

Sorry, I only accept data from real scientists, not people with unrelated degrees with a religious agenda.

BTW, I posted a video of a real time event, where creationists were caught in a flat out lie, and you choose to ignore it. Why?

Why? GIGO. Waste of my time. Your statement of "real scientists" etc is a statement of utter ignorance, unteachability, bias, and living in the vacuum you yourself want to put on others. I say that matter of factly, but not unkindly. I don't want to debate you, and you don't want to have an "open" discussion, by how you have hindered yourself by what you choose to accept. Reminds me of the man that said "We can only discuss science and evolution, but with no use of Scripture." He was given the reply "That is like asking me to fence (have a sword fight) with You, but I can't use my sword. I won't do it." As far as I am concerned, "our" discussion is over.

 

[HitchSlap]

Why? GIGO. Waste of my time. Your statement of "real scientists" etc is a statement of utter ignorance, unteachability, bias, and living in the vacuum you yourself want to put on others. I say that matter of factly, but not unkindly. I don't want to debate you, and you don't want to have an "open" discussion, by how you have hindered yourself by what you choose to accept. Reminds me of the man that said "We can only discuss science and evolution, but with no use of Scripture." He was given the reply "That is like asking me to fence (have a sword fight) with You, but I can't use my sword. I won't do it." As far as I am concerned, "our" discussion is over.

So you didn't watch the video?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This would be a wrong way to look at the data. Science doesn't exist in a vacuum.

The odds favor creation.

 

[HitchSlap]

The odds favor creation.

The evidence favors evolution by means of natural and sexual selection.

 

[joshua 1 9]

They may be both based on the same evidence, but they come to different conclusions after evaluating the evidence in different ways, and so are different.

Yes there are two different paradigms but even within science there are two different paradigms. One paradigm reflects the evidence and the other is a forgery and a counterfeit. They try to blend truth and error together into one. That is what was going on in the ancient city of Ur and that is what God called Abraham to come out from among them.

Genesis 12:1 "Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you;"

2 cor 6:17 "Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."

 

[joshua 1 9]

Isn't the scientist that rules out the existence of God and the possibility of God being the Creator of all things... working in a form of a vacuum?

Science can not rule out God.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sorry, I only accept data from real scientists

Yes and I gave you Gerald Schroeder with a PhD from MIT and Francis Collins director of the national institutes of health. Yet you still find a way to disregard them when what they say does not fit your agenda even though they are more then qualified.

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes and I gave you Gerald Schroeder with a PhD from MIT and Francis Collins director of the national institutes of health. Yet you still find a way to disregard them when what they say does not fit your agenda even though they are more then qualified.