Time for the truth 7

[listed]

Was the law to change the heart? Because the law can not change the heart it is not of God?
The law would cause the Christians to be aware of the need to seek God for forgiveness and the power to keep the law. Love for many wives by their husbands have not prevented them from being unfaithful even in the church. So it is God not "law" nor "love" that give us the power do as God requires.

No the Christian is already aware of sin and does not need the law to point it out to them. If you maintain such a position there is no need for the Holy Spirit.

 

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but your coin only has heads! So no other can win not even God. I would hate to think that I would have a conversation with you and mentions Obama and you go away and say that I was talking about Bush! James speaks of what is in the Ten C's, I mean what else could he be talking about but the Ten commandments. Cooking?

Please read what I posted, my coin has both heads and tails otherwise you could not lose with tails.

Your intention is James is requiring Christians to observe the law.

 

[listed]

Why is the world would God give us His Spirit in the NC? You think so we could have a warm buttery feeling? NO! He gives us His Spirit in the NC to empower us to obey His Laws so He could have a people to call His own.

Ezekiel 36:25-28 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Your whole system of false was put in place by changing God's times and Law. The mishandling of the Scriptures causes people to go into confusion as to the will of God for His people. As a result of this you now call Sunday the Lord's day without one Scripture verse to support it, NOT ONE. You teach Jesus was born on December 25th, which is a lie. You say Jesus died on Good Friday and rose on Easter Sunday, which is also a lie. You say we have an immortal soul without one Scripture verse to support it, NOT ONE. You say Jesus is coming secretly to take His people to heaven leaving all the wicked behind, which is also a lie. Your whole system of worship has it roots in Babylon and you don't even know it. That is called strong delusion. The millennium will fix all this. You will either obey the Law now and rule and reign with Christ in the millennium or you will enter the millennium as one who needs to be taught and some will need it to be done with a rod of iron.

I doubt you will snare Sophrosyne with this.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Why is the world would God give us His Spirit in the NC? You think so we could have a warm buttery feeling? NO! He gives us His Spirit in the NC to empower us to obey His Laws so He could have a people to call His own.

Nonsense, people were obeying his Law some of the time without the Holy Spirit and there was even examples of those whom were Christians breaking the Law so the Holy Spirit doesn't empower people to the Law unless you are equating that I do not have the Holy Spirit because I don't keep the Sabbath.... ARE you saying that?

Ezekiel 36:25-28 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Note the part in blue I highlighted here.... this is not for the Gentiles unless you feel the Holy Spirit is commanding you to move to Israel and live there.

Your whole system of false was put in place by changing God's times and Law. The mishandling of the Scriptures causes people to go into confusion as to the will of God for His people. As a result of this you now call Sunday the Lord's day without one Scripture verse to support it, NOT ONE. You teach Jesus was born on December 25th, which is a lie. You say Jesus died on Good Friday and rose on Easter Sunday, which is also a lie. You say we have an immortal soul without one Scripture verse to support it, NOT ONE. You say Jesus is coming secretly to take His people to heaven leaving all the wicked behind, which is also a lie. Your whole system of worship has it roots in Babylon and you don't even know it. That is called strong delusion. The millennium will fix all this. You will either obey the Law now and rule and reign with Christ in the millennium or you will enter the millennium as one who needs to be taught and some will need it to be done with a rod of iron.

I don't follow the Dec 25 absolute date myself as for the Easter celebration it is only you trying to run me around the bush again with non sequitor suggestions that since I don't obey your wishes I'm believing lies which means that since I (supposedly) am into lies then all the truths that have been posted to YOU and others that you reject YOU are considering also as lies. This is the ole "guilt by association" fallacy argument. Instead of addressing individual things you group them all together and dismiss them all as lies. It is dishonest to toss in only one "lie" in with a myriad of truths and point to it as proof the whole is ALL lies.

If anything your Prophet is indeed very guilty of what you are equating others are guilty of. We can show one lie from her and group that together with everything you equate and do the same as you.... call it a mess of lies thus dismissing it all.

 

[maco]

Nonsense, people were obeying his Law some of the time without the Holy Spirit and there was even examples of those whom were Christians breaking the Law so the Holy Spirit doesn't empower people to the Law unless you are equating that I do not have the Holy Spirit because I don't keep the Sabbath.... ARE you saying that?
Note the part in blue I highlighted here.... this is not for the Gentiles unless you feel the Holy Spirit is commanding you to move to Israel and live there.

I don't follow the Dec 25 absolute date myself as for the Easter celebration it is only you trying to run me around the bush again with non sequitor suggestions that since I don't obey your wishes I'm believing lies which means that since I (supposedly) am into lies then all the truths that have been posted to YOU and others that you reject YOU are considering also as lies. This is the ole "guilt by association" fallacy argument. Instead of addressing individual things you group them all together and dismiss them all as lies. It is dishonest to toss in only one "lie" in with a myriad of truths and point to it as proof the whole is ALL lies.

If anything your Prophet is indeed very guilty of what you are equating others are guilty of. We can show one lie from her and group that together with everything you equate and do the same as you.... call it a mess of lies thus dismissing it all.

My Prophet, Priest and King is Jesus. So you're saying God does not give us His Spirit to help us obey His ways? Do you hear yourself?

 

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My Prophet, Priest and King is Jesus. So you're saying God does not give us His Spirit to help us obey His ways? Do you hear yourself?

How many commandments are there?

 

[Sophrosyne]

My Prophet, Priest and King is Jesus. So you're saying God does not give us His Spirit to help us obey His ways? Do you hear yourself?

I'm sorry but your history of posting makes one conclude that EGW trumps Jesus as far as whom you obey first as Jesus never commanded the Sabbath of Gentiles and neither did any of his chosen apostles. I consider "His ways" another blurred set of keywords that rejects any "ways" that disagree with EGW's ways.

 

[maco]

I'm sorry but your history of posting makes one conclude that EGW trumps Jesus as far as whom you obey first as Jesus never commanded the Sabbath of Gentiles and neither did any of his chosen apostles. I consider "His ways" another blurred set of keywords that rejects any "ways" that disagree with EGW's ways.

There are many ways to deny truth, using EGW is one of many ways.

Anyone who calls on the name of Jesus and calls Him Lord will honor the Sabbath because it's special to God. Listen to Gentiles long after the resurrection of Jesus.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Why wait a whole week to hear Paul preach? If the Sabbath was changed to Sunday this would have been the perfect time to tell the Gentiles, but he didn't because it wasn't changed. As a matter of fact, the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered on the Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

And you know what the funny thing is, this made the Jews made.

Acts 13:44-45 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.

Oh, and just in case you didn't know, EGW wasn't around when Acts was written.

 

[maco]

How many commandments are there?

Two, love God and love neighbor. All the others hang from these two.

Matthew 22:36-40 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[listed]

There are many ways to deny truth, using EGW is one of many ways.

Anyone who calls on the name of Jesus and calls Him Lord will honor the Sabbath because it's special to God. Listen to Gentiles long after the resurrection of Jesus.

Not true unless you can prove I do not call on the name of Jesus as Lord. The Sabbath is special to Israel and no one else.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Why wait a whole week to hear Paul preach? If the Sabbath was changed to Sunday this would have been the perfect time to tell the Gentiles, but he didn't because it wasn't changed. As a matter of fact, the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered on the Sabbath.

Very poor and weak argument.

[COLR="red"]Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.[/COLOR]

And you know what the funny thing is, this made the Jews made.

Mist have been those green eyes.

Acts 13:44-45 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.

Oh, and just in case you didn't know, EGW wasn't around when Acts was written.

You must be putting us on.

 

[listed]

Two, love God and love neighbor. All the others hang from these two.

Matthew 22:36-40 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

That would make more than 2. But of course I failed to ask specifically about the stone tablets.

 

[Elder 111]

If adultery is your latest hot button (wonder why?), then it would behoove you to review the first seven verses of Romans 7. Paul also draws on the prohibition against adultery, shows that those who try to remain the property of the Law concurrent with Jesus Christ are committing adultery, and shows that those who were retained by the Law in the past tense have been delivered from it. He then documents "the law" in his narrative by quoting from Exodus 20:17 and Deuteronomy 5:21, showing that we have been delivered from the Ten Commandments.

But it seems you're determined to claim two spouses and remain in an adulterous affair. That's what the old-covenant "christianity" of Adventism has led you to live.

The picture you have painted is not what God has demonstrated. Your claim is that to acknowledge God's holy Ten commandment law as still binding on us is to commit adultery against Jesus. Adultery is to have a relationship with someone other than your husband, in this case Christ/God. The Ten commandments originated and was given by the same God/Jesus. So how can there be adultery? Can one commit adultery with one's own Husband now? obedience is a another word for adultery now?
Your appeal to Romans 7 does not help your cause, for a holy consideration of the text demonstrates the complete opposite to what you have portrayed.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (What does he mean here? the answer is given in the next verses)

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (is it not clear here that we violated the law in our fleshly state committing sins which would cause eternal death, we do not need a theologian to decode that for us here!)

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (We are delivered from the law, how? By the removal of the law? No!! but by walking in newness of the Spirit!! We don't do what we use to do! That is confirmed below.)

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So this text confirms that there is no adultery in keeping the law of God as you want to suggest.

 

[Elder 111]

God gives us choices, the silly argument that Jesus came to help us better keep the Law has a huge problem in that the Law still demands perfection and even with the Holy Spirit helping us we will stumble and sin and the Law will trip us up over and over still. It may not trip us up even half as much but it only takes ONE sin to invalidate the Law's claim to ascertain righteousness for us. In the end the only way to be righteous is through faith and that happens without the Law for sure, perhaps also with the Law if ones focus isn't on it being mandatory for salvation but more akin to tradition. Once you put your faith in the Law, faith in Jesus will do you no good.

Can you show where one person stated that we need to put faith in the law! Why do we have to twisted and pervert? Is obedience the same as faith?

 

[Elder 111]

No the Christian is already aware of sin and does not need the law to point it out to them. If you maintain such a position there is no need for the Holy Spirit.

So where did the law originated from? Mars?

 

[maco]

No the Christian is already aware of sin and does not need the law to point it out to them. If you maintain such a position there is no need for the Holy Spirit.

God's Spirit without God's Law in man's twisted thinking leads to man doing what is right in his own mind.

Presbyterian Church Votes To Allow Gay Marriages.

Episcopal Church Accepts Gay Marriage.

You do remember God's Law don't you? It says any sexual act outside of a marriage between a man and a woman is a violation of His Law. So much for these Spirit filled Christians. Oh that's right, the Law is done away with.

 

[maco]

That would make more than 2. But of course I failed to ask specifically about the stone tablets.

You'll have to talk to God about that.

 

[listed]

The picture you have painted is not what God has demonstrated. Your claim is that to acknowledge God's holy Ten commandment law as still binding on us is to commit adultery against Jesus. Adultery is to have a relationship with someone other than your husband, in this case Christ/God. The Ten commandments originated and was given by the same God/Jesus. So how can there be adultery? Can one commit adultery with one's own Husband now? obedience is a another word for adultery now?
Your appeal to Romans 7 does not help your cause, for a holy consideration of the text demonstrates the complete opposite to what you have portrayed.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (What does he mean here? the answer is given in the next verses)

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (is it not clear here that we violated the law in our fleshly state committing sins which would cause eternal death, we do not need a theologian to decode that for us here!)

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (We are delivered from the law, how? By the removal of the law? No!! but by walking in newness of the Spirit!! We don't do what we use to do! That is confirmed below.)

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So this text confirms that there is no adultery in keeping the law of God as you want to suggest.

I do not believe you have a clue what Paul is saying. Your take is Paul is promoting the law even when he says - But now we are delivered form the law.

 

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Can you show where one person stated that we need to put faith in the law! Why do we have to twisted and pervert? Is obedience the same as faith?

Because that is what you undeniably demonstrate with your posts.

 

[listed]

So where did the law originated from? Mars?

How does that relate to my post?

 

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God's Spirit without God's Law in man's twisted thinking leads to man doing what is right in his own mind.

Presbyterian Church Votes To Allow Gay Marriages.

Episcopal Church Accepts Gay Marriage.

You do remember God's Law don't you? It says any sexual act outside of a marriage between a man and a woman is a violation of His Law. So much for these Spirit filled Christians. Oh that's right, the Law is done away with.

No God's Spirit never leads a man to his twisted thinking. Surely you can not rightly say God is leading the Presbyterian and Episcopal Churches to allow and promote gay marriage. You assign things to people improperly and unjustly. What more proof does one need that you are promoting religion and not a relationship with God?