Time for the truth 7

[Elder 111]

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
How come we as Christians can advocate that the ten commandments are not applicable to us yet when we look at the individual tenants of the law no one says that it is not for us to keep.
If we are not required to fulfill or do the things the Ten commandments call for then there should be no condemnation for something such as adultery. As simply as that. So that preachers that live with all the women they could in they congregations can not be condemned by God if the law does not apply.
The idea now is that some apply, some of the ten. But God wrote them with His own hand as one unit on two tablets. Where is it stated that they can be separated? As a matter of fact James says they can not be. James 2:
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James Here quotes the Ten, didn't he? So what does he say. Break one of the ten is the same as breaking all of the ten. What God has put together let no man put asunder!

 

[listed]

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
How come we as Christians can advocate that the ten commandments are not applicable to us yet when we look at the individual tenants of the law no one says that it is not for us to keep.
If we are not required to fulfill or do the things the Ten commandments call for then there should be no condemnation for something such as adultery. As simply as that. So that preachers that live with all the women they could in they congregations can not be condemned by God if the law does not apply.
The idea now is that some apply, some of the ten. But God wrote them with His own hand as one unit on two tablets. Where is it stated that they can be separated? As a matter of fact James says they can not be. James 2:
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James Here quotes the Ten, didn't he? So what does he say. Break one of the ten is the same as breaking all of the ten. What God has put together let no man put asunder!

Big deal. James is not promoting the law. Your claim is anytime the law or 10 Cs are mentioned it means obligation to. That is just plain false.

 

[Elder 111]

Big deal. James is not promoting the law. Your claim is anytime the law or 10 Cs are mentioned it means obligation to. That is just plain false.

That is not an intelligent remark is it? If one mentions sheep in a conversation one is talking about goats or sheep? James mention items of the ten C's and you would have us to believe he is talking about something else? Is that some kind of Joke? Have denied the truth so much? Other may draw their own conclusions by the grace of God.

 

[Steeno7]

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
How come we as Christians can advocate that the ten commandments are not applicable to us yet when we look at the individual tenants of the law no one says that it is not for us to keep.
If we are not required to fulfill or do the things the Ten commandments call for then there should be no condemnation for something such as adultery. As simply as that. So that preachers that live with all the women they could in they congregations can not be condemned by God if the law does not apply.
The idea now is that some apply, some of the ten. But God wrote them with His own hand as one unit on two tablets. Where is it stated that they can be separated? As a matter of fact James says they can not be. James 2:
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James Here quotes the Ten, didn't he? So what does he say. Break one of the ten is the same as breaking all of the ten. What God has put together let no man put asunder!

"The sin underneath all our sins is the lie of the serpent that we cannot trust the love and grace of Christ and that we must take matters into our own hands.”.

- Martin Luther

 

[listed]

That is not an intelligent remark is it? If one mentions sheep in a conversation one is talking about goats or sheep? James mention items of the ten C's and you would have us to believe he is talking about something else? Is that some kind of Joke? Have denied the truth so much? Other may draw their own conclusions by the grace of God.

You can insult me all you like. One can talk about sheep all they like without promoting them.

 

[Elder 111]

"The sin underneath all our sins is the lie of the serpent that we cannot trust the love and grace of Christ and that we must take matters into our own hands.”.

- Martin Luther

So if any man decides by the grace of God to keep the first command to serve God only he is taking matters of his salvation in his own hands?

 

[Elder 111]

You can insult me all you like. One can talk about sheep all they like without promoting them.

It is not intended to be an insult. What I want to show is that it is ridiculous to say one is not taking about a particular subject when one mentions the very tenants of the said subject. It would amount to someone saying we are not discussion biblical matters here but about movies or something. We have to do better than that!

 

[listed]

It is not intended to be an insult. What I want to show is that it is ridiculous to say one is not taking about a particular subject when one mentions the very tenants of the said subject. It would amount to someone saying we are not discussion biblical matters here but about movies or something. We have to do better than that!

I am game if you decide you wish to talk about the point James is making rather than saying James is promoting obligation to the law for Christians because he clearly is not.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Jesus equated lusting after another spouse as adultery, which IMO is a higher standard than the commandment against it and thus makes the inferior commandment irrelevant.

 

[Elder 111]

I am game if you decide you wish to talk about the point James is making rather than saying James is promoting obligation to the law for Christians because he clearly is not.

Do you mean you are interested if I will deny what is plainly said? James mentions: 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Are these not found in the Ten commandments?

 

[Elder 111]

Jesus equated lusting after another spouse as adultery, which IMO is a higher standard than the commandment against it and thus makes the inferior commandment irrelevant.

Brother, all sin starts in the heart. We think of it before we do it. That is the point, there is no greater law in this respect.

 

[listed]

Do you mean you are interested if I will deny what is plainly said? James mentions: 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Are these not found in the Ten commandments?

You have James teaching and obligating Christians to the law which he is not.

 

[Elder 111]

You have James teaching and obligating Christians to the law which he is not.

Why not? James said it, what is the problem?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Brother, all sin starts in the heart. We think of it before we do it. That is the point, there is no greater law in this respect.

Problem is the Law doesn't address the heart... only the external actions that are completed. One cannot know someone else is sinning via lusting or hating but one can witness murder and adultery. The Law is essentially impotent when it comes to the heart.
Oh... and BTW..... don't call me brother, as I'm not a member of your "flock" and I'm still not convinced that Law promotion is a part of Christianity. I put it on par with teaching Judaism instead.

 

[listed]

Why not? James said it, what is the problem?

You get to guess again about what James was teaching. It does not matter if he quoted the law. But you need him to be teaching obligation to the law to make your point valid. Tails you lose, heads I win.

 

[Elder 111]

Problem is the Law doesn't address the heart... only the external actions that are completed. One cannot know someone else is sinning via lusting or hating but one can witness murder and adultery. The Law is essentially impotent when it comes to the heart.
Oh... and BTW..... don't call me brother, as I'm not a member of your "flock" and I'm still not convinced that Law promotion is a part of Christianity. I put it on par with teaching Judaism instead.

Was the law to change the heart? Because the law can not change the heart it is not of God?
The law would cause the Christians to be aware of the need to seek God for forgiveness and the power to keep the law. Love for many wives by their husbands have not prevented them from being unfaithful even in the church. So it is God not "law" nor "love" that give us the power do as God requires.

 

[Elder 111]

You get to guess again about what James was teaching. It does not matter if he quoted the law. But you need him to be teaching obligation to the law to make your point valid. Tails you lose, heads I win.

but your coin only has heads! So no other can win not even God. I would hate to think that I would have a conversation with you and mentions Obama and you go away and say that I was talking about Bush! James speaks of what is in the Ten C's, I mean what else could he be talking about but the Ten commandments. Cooking?

 

[VictorC]

Do you mean you are interested if I will deny what is plainly said? James mentions: 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Are these not found in the Ten commandments?

If adultery is your latest hot button (wonder why?), then it would behoove you to review the first seven verses of Romans 7. Paul also draws on the prohibition against adultery, shows that those who try to remain the property of the Law concurrent with Jesus Christ are committing adultery, and shows that those who were retained by the Law in the past tense have been delivered from it. He then documents "the law" in his narrative by quoting from Exodus 20:17 and Deuteronomy 5:21, showing that we have been delivered from the Ten Commandments.

But it seems you're determined to claim two spouses and remain in an adulterous affair. That's what the old-covenant "christianity" of Adventism has led you to live.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Was the law to change the heart? Because the law can not change the heart it is not of God?
The law would cause the Christians to be aware of the need to seek God for forgiveness and the power to keep the law. Love for many wives by their husbands have not prevented them from being unfaithful even in the church. So it is God not "law" nor "love" that give us the power do as God requires.

God gives us choices, the silly argument that Jesus came to help us better keep the Law has a huge problem in that the Law still demands perfection and even with the Holy Spirit helping us we will stumble and sin and the Law will trip us up over and over still. It may not trip us up even half as much but it only takes ONE sin to invalidate the Law's claim to ascertain righteousness for us. In the end the only way to be righteous is through faith and that happens without the Law for sure, perhaps also with the Law if ones focus isn't on it being mandatory for salvation but more akin to tradition. Once you put your faith in the Law, faith in Jesus will do you no good.

 

[maco]

God gives us choices, the silly argument that Jesus came to help us better keep the Law has a huge problem in that the Law still demands perfection and even with the Holy Spirit helping us we will stumble and sin and the Law will trip us up over and over still. It may not trip us up even half as much but it only takes ONE sin to invalidate the Law's claim to ascertain righteousness for us. In the end the only way to be righteous is through faith and that happens without the Law for sure, perhaps also with the Law if ones focus isn't on it being mandatory for salvation but more akin to tradition. Once you put your faith in the Law, faith in Jesus will do you no good.

Why is the world would God give us His Spirit in the NC? You think so we could have a warm buttery feeling? NO! He gives us His Spirit in the NC to empower us to obey His Laws so He could have a people to call His own.

Ezekiel 36:25-28 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Your whole system of false was put in place by changing God's times and Law. The mishandling of the Scriptures causes people to go into confusion as to the will of God for His people. As a result of this you now call Sunday the Lord's day without one Scripture verse to support it, NOT ONE. You teach Jesus was born on December 25th, which is a lie. You say Jesus died on Good Friday and rose on Easter Sunday, which is also a lie. You say we have an immortal soul without one Scripture verse to support it, NOT ONE. You say Jesus is coming secretly to take His people to heaven leaving all the wicked behind, which is also a lie. Your whole system of worship has it roots in Babylon and you don't even know it. That is called strong delusion. The millennium will fix all this. You will either obey the Law now and rule and reign with Christ in the millennium or you will enter the millennium as one who needs to be taught and some will need it to be done with a rod of iron.