Time for the truth 7

[Sophrosyne]

Did you not hear that Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man?

that isn't a commandment

 

[Elder 111]

that isn't a commandment

But it means that the Sabbath is for all as long as there is a man on earth!

 

[Sophrosyne]

But it means that the Sabbath is for all as long as there is a man on earth!

doesn't matter. I could say that beef was made for man but man wasn't made for beef and it wouldn't be a command to either eat or not eat beef.

 

[listed]

But it means that the Sabbath is for all as long as there is a man on earth!

No because of context.

 

[VictorC]

But it means that the Sabbath is for all as long as there is a man on earth!

This is pure mythology, without a shred of Biblical support. All you're doing is repeating your misuse of Mark 2:27, ignoring verse 28, and basing your argument on the thesis that Jesus is violating the Law defining the jurisdiction of the Sabbath. You have had this explained to you many times, only to return to mythology.

It always amazes me when someone looks at a passage of Scripture wherein Jesus declares His divinity, and fabricates some unrelated fairy tale. The Sabbath wasn't made for God, the reason the Son of Man retains sovereignty over the Sabbath that wasn't made for Him. This is consistent with the Law's record of the Sabbath's origin, which is far removed from the creation account.

Elder111 doesn't acknowledge the Law, and speaks from darkness. His own signature line from Isaiah 8:20 condemns his own testimony against the Law.

 

[Cribstyl]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Did you not hear that Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man?​

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When was Sabbath made for man Elder???? (We already know what SDA claim about a creation instituted sabbath.) Study proves that God's creation rest was made for God (not man). Scriptures reconfirms the expressed facts. The only discussion in each of the seventh day verses is that God rested on the seventh day because He was finished with all His works. Gen 2:1
¶Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Elder111 we must rightly devide the word of God rather than raising questionable commentaries. It's the plan of false prophets to speak about man, where the scripture speaks exclussively about God.


Here is when Sabbath was made for man (meaning the childern of Israel).

Exo 16:5
And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
Exo 16:6
And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:



According to the scriptures, Sabbath was made for man (the children of Israel to prove them). The manna was kept as a memorial to teach their generations to come, that God gave them bread and rest after He brought them out of Egypt.

 

[Elder 111]

doesn't matter. I could say that beef was made for man but man wasn't made for beef and it wouldn't be a command to either eat or not eat beef.

So the word s of Jesus has no meaning to us? For it is not your words but God's.

 

[Elder 111]

According to scripture Man does not mean Israel!!!!!
According to scripture The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified from creation! Are you going to tell us that Adam never worshiped His God? What day would he worship? What about the day God blessed and sanctified? Or maybe Adam waited until the next day after the Sabbath. Here he is on the first full day of his life (the Sabbath) and instead of glorying in His God That gave him life and a wife the evening before,he just decides to hold back his excitement until the first day of the following week. Or maybe he did not bother at all to give praise and thanks to his wonderful Creator.

 

[VictorC]

According to scripture Man does not mean Israel!!!!!

The Law specifies the children of Israel. No one else. That doesn't include God's adopted possession.

According to scripture The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified from creation!

False. The Sabbath is periodic in nature, not permanent, and originates with the manna experience.

Are you going to tell us that Adam never worshiped His God? What day would he worship? What about the day God blessed and sanctified? Or maybe Adam waited until the next day after the Sabbath. Here he is on the first full day of his life (the Sabbath) and instead of glorying in His God That gave him life and a wife the evening before,he just decides to hold back his excitement until the first day of the following week. Or maybe he did not bother at all to give praise and thanks to his wonderful Creator.

Non sequitur. The above is complete speculation in violent contradiction to the Word of God.

 

[VictorC]

So the word s of Jesus has no meaning to us? For it is not your words but God's.

Why don't you trust what Jesus actually said? It is your action that deletes half of what Jesus said in order to promote mythology.

 

[Sophrosyne]

But it means that the Sabbath is for all as long as there is a man on earth!

So you agree that scripture is useless as proof the Sabbath is commanded.

 

[Sophrosyne]

So the word s of Jesus has no meaning to us? For it is not your words but God's.

Do you take all of Jesus words as commandments? I don't... especially words of his that don't command us to do anything.

 

[Elder 111]

Do you take all of Jesus words as commandments? I don't... especially words of his that don't command us to do anything.

Jesus commanded the ten commandments so we can see that you do follow all that Jesus said.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Jesus commanded the ten commandments so we can see that you do follow all that Jesus said.

I'm sorry but I don't see that in the new testament.... I see 9 commandments listed.

 

[listed]

Jesus commanded the ten commandments so we can see that you do follow all that Jesus said.

Please submit proof.

 

[VictorC]

Jesus commanded the ten commandments so we can see that you do follow all that Jesus said.

Your point here is rather moot, since...

• You don't keep the Ten Commandments, either (demonstrated in previous posts)
• Jesus also said "Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law?" (John 7:19)
• None of the above -including your moot point- applies to the Gentiles in foreign lands (Deuteronomy 4:8)
• The Gospel declares "God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all" with no exemptions provided to "all" in either case (Romans 11:32)

Why don't you try responding to the content posted to you, instead of showing you don't know the Law, and you continue to reverse its relationship of what kept whom until the fulness of the time set by God?

 

[Cribstyl]

According to scripture Man does not mean Israel!!!!!
According to scripture The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified from creation! Are you going to tell us that Adam never worshiped His God? What day would he worship? What about the day God blessed and sanctified? Or maybe Adam waited until the next day after the Sabbath. Here he is on the first full day of his life (the Sabbath) and instead of glorying in His God That gave him life and a wife the evening before,he just decides to hold back his excitement until the first day of the following week. Or maybe he did not bother at all to give praise and thanks to his wonderful Creator.

No Elder........

According to the scriptures: The seventh day of creation was blessed and sanctified because God finished all His works in six days and then 'rested' (ceased) on the seventh.
So the seventh day was for the God who worked, not a sabbath made for man. Genesis 1 is all about God working. Who but Satan would want to claim rest on the seventh day of creation?
If man did not work the previous 6days, what works was Adam resting from? There are more questions than answers about the myth that man was given rest or rested with God in creation.

The Sabbath was not 'made' for man until God gave it with manna.(as Sophrosyne made clear to you)
The manna was put in the ark as a memorial to give the historic facts about manna and sabbath.
Why would God make sabbath an exclussive covenant between himself and Israel if it was instituted at creation????



Let God's word be the truth we believe Elder.

 

[Elder 111]

No Elder........

According to the scriptures: The seventh day of creation was blessed and sanctified because God finished all His works in six days and then 'rested' (ceased) on the seventh.
So the seventh day was for the God who worked, not a sabbath made for man. Genesis 1 is all about God working. Who but Satan would want to claim rest on the seventh day of creation?
If man did not work the previous 6days, what works was Adam resting from? There are more questions than answers about the myth that man was given rest or rested with God in creation.

The Sabbath was not 'made' for man until God gave it with manna.(as Sophrosyne made clear to you)
The manna was put in the ark as a memorial to give the historic facts about manna and sabbath.
Why would God make sabbath an exclussive covenant between himself and Israel if it was instituted at creation????



Let God's word be the truth we believe Elder.

Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man! JESUS!! Mark 2:27. You think God made the Sabbath for Himself to rest? God needed to reflect on Himself more so than Adam needed to look to his creator in praise and worship? Why did God say to keep the Sabbath? Are we to disregard that which God made HOLY? Ex 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[listed]

Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man! JESUS!! Mark 2:27. You think God made the Sabbath for Himself to rest? God needed to reflect on Himself more so than Adam needed to look to his creator in praise and worship? Why did God say to keep the Sabbath? Are we to disregard that which God made HOLY? Ex 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We see. It did not work on others and you think it will work on Cribstyl. Really?

 

[Sophrosyne]

We see. It did not work on others and you think it will work on Cribstyl. Really?

I'm still waiting for proof of a Sabbath command in the New Testament.