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Time and evolution

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by JohnR7, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. Wiccan_Child

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    You asked a physics question. Do you really expect anything other than a physicists answer?

    It is hardly a trait of closed-mindedness if one can realise that nonsensicle questions are just that: nonsensicle.

    If you can tell me what is geographically North of the geographic North pole, then I will tell you what happened before time began.
     
  2. EnemyPartyII

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    Then why ask a question about physics if you are just going to dismiss the answer?

    Meaningless in the sense of "what is the sound of the colour blue?", or "How heavy is distance?" or "what colour is gravity?"

    Saying its a meaningless question isn't an attempt to evade the question, it is the answetr to your question, that such a question, phrased such a way, has been studies, and the answer has found to be that there IS no "before the universe"... because "before" is a property inherent to THIS universe... so effectively you can't have a before OUTSIDE our universe, so see what I mean about "meaningless concept"?

    Perhaps it would be better, rather than calling time before the universe a "meaningless concept", but rather a "concept that seems apparent, but does not fit into the mechanics of space time"... same as "how much faster than the speed of light can one travel?" or "how much colder than absolute zero can one get?"

    Has this helped?
     
  3. FoeHammer

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    You may be impressed by an answer that contains the words and phrases that I bolded, I am not. You can call it physics if you like I call it uncertain speculation.
    I don't know, what is north of the north pole?

    FoeHammer.
     
  4. dunamis3

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    Evolution did not create anything. It is a theory full of flaws.
    Stars had to have evolved accoring to the big bang ?

    "Time cannot begin, because to begin implies that there was a time prior and a time after the beginning. Without time, that can't be" Well there is time after so time had to begin.
     
  5. CACTUSJACKmankin

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    Evolution is a theory of biology. It can't explain the origins of the universe, solar systems, or life. The germ theory of disease can't explain these things either for the same reason... these things are outside of the theory.
    Evolution explains the diversification of life on earth since the first replicators appeared.
    Big bang is a theory of cosmology, abiogenesis is a theory of biochemistry, and evolution is a theory of biology. These are three different theories. STOP LUMPING THEM TOGETHER.

    Creationists - Try not to criticize evolution until you understand what it is.
     
  6. EnemyPartyII

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    The words and phrases you bolded would be applicable to ANY scientific statement from ANY of the sciences.
     
  7. JohnR7

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    You are only judging yourself. You have no way to know me or to judge what I do or what I do not know.
    Thanks for admiting though, that you know nothing about the subject. Perhaps in time you will learn.
     
  8. EnemyPartyII

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    Does the theory of evolution say anything about creating anything?

    Name 3 of the flaws?

    Can you explain to me the relationship between stars and the Big Bang?

    I don't know this stuff.
     
  9. FishFace

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    You've still not answered my questions. I can't remember them, so I'll ask something like them.

    Where is left of blue?
    Who is tuesday?
    When is potato?
    Why is a fruity more than clouds?

    Just because you put a sentence together with English words doesn't mean you're not speaking nonsense. How on earth do you think "before" makes sense if there is no time? It's like asking what is west of nowhere.
     
  10. Edx

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    Come on man, please, theres nothing north of the North pole thats the point the question is nonsensical.
     
  11. Edx

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    You mean other than reading what you write on these forums? Well, if you do know as much as you claim you do you must just be dishonest.

    Dont you ever feel guilty about misrepresenting people?
     
  12. us38

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    Lemme guess, you got your degree in psychology at the same time that you got your degree in evolution.

    As I pointed out earlier, you're either very good at hiding your knowledge of evolution, or you really don't know anything about it. The first possibility doesn't make sense.

    Wow, a YEC reading too much into something. Never thought I'd see the day.

    Your irony meter asplode.
     
  13. Edx

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    Oh, Johns not YEC, he's "GAP". :crossrc:
     
  14. FoeHammer

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    Doesn't science mean knowledge? Using the words and phrases bolded would indicate a lack of knowledge and therefore not science.

    FoeHammer.
     
  15. FoeHammer

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    A is before B is before C is before D etc. etc.
    What was there before time?

    FoeHammer.
     
  16. flatworm

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    No, the bolded words indicate a lack of certainty. There is a difference, and an important one. Only theorems in mathematics and formal logic may be proven absolutely (and even in those contexts, not every true statement can be proven). Nothing that is known empirically can be known absolutely.
     
  17. FoeHammer

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    How do you know where the north pole is?

    FoeHammer.
     
  18. flatworm

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    Nonsensical. The statement A is before B implies the time at which A occurred is earlier than the time at which B occurred.

    Using words like before and after don't save your question from logical absurdity, because time is simply the dimension that allows the ordering of events using words like "before" and "after".

    No time, no temporal ordering. Simple.
     
  19. Molal

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    Use a compass
     
  20. FoeHammer

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    So much for the fact of evolution.

    FoeHammer.
     
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