tiller faces the Maker

[PreachersWife2004]

I don't think anyone can fully comprehend God's Will. I believe that often times it was His Will for the women involved to go through the procedure. I also believe that anti-abortion people tend to attribute God's Will inappropriately, as if they are trying to speak for God. I don't think that's right. The post of mine you quoted was the "argument ender" I always get from anti-choice people. I find it ridiculous that they attempt to speak for God in instances where one can never be sure.

Which is the entire point I've been trying to make.

I don't always understand God's will, but I do not think that it is ever God's will that a woman go into a clinic and have her baby aborted. I think that God allows these things to happen, because we all know that He works them out to His glory, but I don't think he wakes up one day and says "I think I'll will so-and-so to abort her unwanted pregnancy".

"Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him"
Deuteronomy 30:19, 20

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Nothing from what I've had to say. Very interesting in deed.

Your post was on the previous page. I did not see it until now.

 

[Ave Maria]

Wow. The rejoicing over Tiller's death in this thread is just absolutely disgusting. Tiller was murdered! Does the one commandment in the Ten Commandments that says "You shall not kill." not mean anything to you people???

(Exo 20:13 RSV) "You shall not kill.

I truly hope that none of you decide to debate on just what kill means in this commandment to justify your feelings. The Bible is clear in many other places as well that murder is wrong!

(Mat 15:19 RSV) For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.

(Rom 1:29 RSV) They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips,

(1Jn 3:12 RSV) and not be like Cain who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother's righteous.

I only quoted just the New Testament instances of the word murder and as you can see, they are all saying that murder is wrong! I left out one passage from Mark that was basically the same as the one from Matthew. I shouldn't have to post these things but I fear that some of you will try to justify Tiller's murder in some way. Not that I can stop you.

That said, I unequivocally condemn the murder of George Tiller. I also unequivocally condemn the murder of unborn babies. If the pro-life side is to gain any ground, we can not resort to violence!

 

[Ave Maria]

I don't think anyone can fully comprehend God's Will. I believe that often times it was His Will for the women involved to go through the procedure. I also believe that anti-abortion people tend to attribute God's Will inappropriately, as if they are trying to speak for God. I don't think that's right. The post of mine you quoted was the "argument ender" I always get from anti-choice people. I find it ridiculous that they attempt to speak for God in instances where one can never be sure.

It is never God's will for someone to murder their unborn child. I am sickened that anyone would even suggest that!

 

[lux et lex]

It is never God's will for someone to murder their unborn child. I am sickened that anyone would even suggest that!

But that is clearly your opinion. God works in mysterious ways...

 

[The Lady Kate]

It is never God's will for someone to murder their unborn child. I am sickened that anyone would even suggest that!

My opinion has always been, if God didn't want something to happen (for whatever reason), then it wouldn't have.

For reasons known only to Him, God wanted abortion legal in this country... Whether this is only a temporary thing or whether God is pro-choice, I won't presume to guess...

He hasn't smited anyone walking into a clinic, and He didn't help Tiller's killer escape the authorities... Whatever God has in mind, He hasn't brought it to fruition yet.

 

[Tractor1]

My opinion has always been, if God didn't want something to happen (for whatever reason), then it wouldn't have.

At no point is man permitted to trace responsibility from themselves back to God. If this was not so the one who sins could say: God is to blame. If He didn't want it to happen I would have been prevented, but He didn't.

Martyrs also could have prevented the sin of murder on the part of their slayers had they recanted from their position relative to the truth in question. Even Christ Himself could have prevented a number of men from the sin of the crucifixion had He come down from the cross.

All this suggests the obvious fact that the mere avoidance of sin is not always the primary issue.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[CaptainSly]

I didn't like Dr. Tiller because he killed innocent babies but he didn't deserve to die premature. "You live by the sword you die by the sword."

 

[pgp_protector]

It is never God's will for someone to murder their unborn child. I am sickened that anyone would even suggest that!

But born children aren't a problem are they ?

1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

 

[PreachersWife2004]

It is within the Lord's right to punish his children, even unto death, for disobedience.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It is within the Lord's right to punish his children, even unto death, for disobedience.

But don't make yourself God's executioner.


Jim

 

[dentonz]

The assertion Tiller has 'blood on his hands' is unsupported. He does, but it's the blood shed in saving women's lives. He was a man of honor and cared appropriately for his patients. On that score he has done no wrong.

Do you actually believe what you just said? I, by no means, condone the murder of Dr. Tiller; however, do you see the major double standard in your statement? You condone the fact that he killed thousand's of babies to "save" women's lives, yet you abhore the fact that someone thought the killing of one would save the lives of thousands. Someone could say that his murderer is innocent because he did it to save the lives of many babies.

Bloodshed on either side isn't the issue. You cannot condone late term abortion and abhore capital punishment whether legally or illegally.

It has been said earlier in this thread that he delivered the babies after he killed them. Is this true? I thought the whole stance in accepting his practices was to save a woman's life because they couldn't deliver the baby. If they still gave birth, how did he save their lives?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

But don't make yourself God's executioner.


Jim

Right. Both sides need to hear that.

 

[kiwimac]

Do you actually believe what you just said? I, by no means, condone the murder of Dr. Tiller; however, do you see the major double standard in your statement? You condone the fact that he killed thousand's of babies to "save" women's lives, yet you abhore the fact that someone thought the killing of one would save the lives of thousands. Someone could say that his murderer is innocent because he did it to save the lives of many babies.

Bloodshed on either side isn't the issue. You cannot condone late term abortion and abhore capital punishment whether legally or illegally.

It has been said earlier in this thread that he delivered the babies after he killed them. Is this true? I thought the whole stance in accepting his practices was to save a woman's life because they couldn't deliver the baby. If they still gave birth, how did he save their lives?

So you feel non-viable infants should be born so that they can lead short, pain-filled lives and die?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

So you feel non-viable infants should be born so that they can lead short, pain-filled lives and die?

Who are we to even make that judgment? You don't get to define 'quality of life' for everyone.

I know many people who wish to have their babies born alive and let them die a natural death.

Some babies never make it out of the hospital. Guess we should've aborted them, too. Some babies who were supposed to die when they were born are alive today.

So no, you don't get to make that judgment. If people can choose to kill their babies in utero, you don't get to castigate those choosing to give birth.

 

[kiwimac]

I am not castigating anyone other than those who are SO certain of their own righteousness that they must judge Dr. Tiller.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I am not castigating anyone other than those who are SO certain of their own righteousness that they must judge Dr. Tiller.

Dr. Tiller murdered thousands of babies. Of course we can judge those actions.

 

[lux et lex]

Dr. Tiller murdered thousands of babies. Of course we can judge those actions.

He murdered no one.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

He murdered no one.

Riiight...keep telling yourself that.

 

[kiwimac]

LetL is entirely correct. Dr. Tiller murdered no one.