tiller faces the Maker

[Texas Lynn]

The fact that people want to praise Tiller for his abortion work makes me sick to my stomach.

Tiller is indeed meeting his maker - and I don't think I'd want to be on the receiving end of that judgment.

The fact he acted in a humanitarian manner throughout his practice should indicate otherwise.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The fact he acted in a humanitarian manner throughout his practice should indicate otherwise.

That's about as much rhetoric as the numbers floating around as to how many abortions the man did in his lifetime.

It's rather oxymoronic to say he was humane about how he killed the fetuses. Killing humans is never humane and should never be categorized as such.

The pro-choicers have come out of the woodworks practically worshiping the ground Tiller killed on, while condemning the few people who rejoiced in his death.

For me, I grieve for all lost here: the babies that Tiller killed, Tiller's life, Tiller's family, Roeder's family. I don't pretend that Roeder was some hero acting in defense of future fetuses, nor should anyone act as though Tiller was a hero, championing the productive rights movement.

 

[kiwimac]

You are aware that most of the late term abortions done by Tiller were non-viable aren't you?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

You are aware that most of the late term abortions done by Tiller were non-viable aren't you?

I put nothing out of the hands of God, kiwi. Nothing.

They were living and breathing when he killed them. Just because he killed them BEFORE he had the mother give birth doesn't change that fact nor does it make it 'humane'.

 

[kiwimac]

Aha, so children in utero without brains, conjoined twins joined in such a way that neither could survive, children with calcified brains, these were all viable in your opinion then?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Aha, so children in utero without brains, conjoined twins joined in such a way that neither could survive, children with calcified brains, these were all viable in your opinion then?

As I said, kiwi, I put nothing out of the hands of God. Why do you?

If they were going to die anyway (since that seems to be the going 'excuse' for these late term abortions), why not let them be born naturally?

 

[kiwimac]

So it's ok for them to suffer post-birth? At least Tiller gave them pain-killers before aborting them. Is there something intrinsically wonderful about being in pain?

 

[lux et lex]

So it's ok for them to suffer post-birth? At least Tiller gave them pain-killers before aborting them. Is there something intrinsically wonderful about being in pain?

Yes, because it's God's will.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

So it's ok for them to suffer post-birth? At least Tiller gave them pain-killers before aborting them. Is there something intrinsically wonderful about being in pain?

By this logic, you'd kill everyone who was in pain or was suffering, kiwi.

Keep trying. Nothing you say will ever justify what this man did.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Yes, because it's God's will.

Do you comprehend God's will? Or do you dismiss it because you don't understand it?

 

[lux et lex]

Do you comprehend God's will? Or do you dismiss it because you don't understand it?

I don't think anyone can fully comprehend God's Will. I believe that often times it was His Will for the women involved to go through the procedure. I also believe that anti-abortion people tend to attribute God's Will inappropriately, as if they are trying to speak for God. I don't think that's right. The post of mine you quoted was the "argument ender" I always get from anti-choice people. I find it ridiculous that they attempt to speak for God in instances where one can never be sure.

 

[kiwimac]

By this logic, you'd kill everyone who was in pain or was suffering, kiwi.

Keep trying. Nothing you say will ever justify what this man did.

PW, I'm sorry but you are speaking rot IMO. These children would have lived short, pain-filled lives and died, can you tell me why you think drawing breath ex-utero is so important? Moreover the families of these children would have had a normally joyful time, that of a child's birth, turned into a waking nightmare, one that they could never wake up from.

Why do you think Tiller is a monster for preventing families from suffering like that?

 

[Texas Lynn]

It's rather oxymoronic to say he was humane about how he killed the fetuses. Killing humans is never humane and should never be categorized as such.

A fetus is not alive in the sense that it is "killed" by an abortion; talk about rhetoric!

The pro-choicers have come out of the woodworks practically worshiping the ground Tiller killed on, while condemning the few people who rejoiced in his death.

Tiller was a hero who was murdered by a cowardly terrorist aided and abetted by a network of domestic terrorists out of a safe house in Kansas City. The murder of a courageous doctor who gave his life saving women's lives is an attack on America. The "rejoicing" included some outright exuberance but the forces of repression were certainly pleased.

... nor should anyone act as though Tiller was a hero, championing the productive rights movement.

What is "the productive rights movement"?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

PW, I'm sorry but you are speaking rot IMO. These children would have lived short, pain-filled lives and died, can you tell me why you think drawing breath ex-utero is so important? Moreover the families of these children would have had a normally joyful time, that of a child's birth, turned into a waking nightmare, one that they could never wake up from.

Hah. You make me laugh. You praise a man for killing babies and you call what I speak 'rot'.

Why do you think Tiller is a monster for preventing families from suffering like that?

You assume it would be suffering. Most people I know WANT to give birth to a live baby, even if only for a few moments, whether to hold the child and share some precious moments or even to baptize it.

My family has been through this, and countless times they have said they would do it over again to spend those few precious moments with their baby.

Why is it so important for you to play God, Kiwi? Are you not confident in his abilities?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

A fetus is not alive in the sense that it is "killed" by an abortion; talk about rhetoric!

Please, we're talking late term abortions here, Lynn. Don't fool yourself. The babies are living beings, sentient and breathing when he kills them.

Tiller was a hero who was murdered by a cowardly terrorist aided and abetted by a network of domestic terrorists out of a safe house in Kansas City. The murder of a courageous doctor who gave his life saving women's lives is an attack on America. The "rejoicing" included some outright exuberance but the forces of repression were certainly pleased.

He is not a hero and he certainly wasn't courageous. Courageous would have been to stand up and give the babies a 'choice', and to counsel women on other options other than abortion.

He was not courageous. He was not a hero.

What is "the productive rights movement"?

I missed the RE part in that, but I know you're smart enough to realize that, Lynn.

It's a term that I've seen the pro-abortion people throwing around like wildfire. The idea that Tiller was providing reproductive rights services or some such nonsense.

Ridiculous, really. Reproduction doesn't include killing our offspring.

 

[kiwimac]

Hah. You make me laugh. You praise a man for killing babies and you call what I speak 'rot'.



You assume it would be suffering. Most people I know WANT to give birth to a live baby, even if only for a few moments, whether to hold the child and share some precious moments or even to baptize it.

My family has been through this, and countless times they have said they would do it over again to spend those few precious moments with their baby.

Why is it so important for you to play God, Kiwi? Are you not confident in his abilities?

What you are doing PW is assuming that because YOU want to do something everyone else does as well. Most people do not see why children who have no hope of surviving must suffer. You keep asking me if I doubt God's abilities, SHOW ME ONE CASE where a child with a calcified brain, for example, has had that reversed by God. See, I believe God gives us a mind to think with for a reason PW and that reason, in this case, calls me to reduce human pain and suffering because it is the compassionate thing to do.

Tiller was no monster, he was a man deeply concerned over the suffering of families, a doctor who could and did reject late-term abortions when they were simply for the mother's convenience but who always chose to help those who had little or no choice.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

What you are doing PW is assuming that because YOU want to do something everyone else does as well. Most people do not see why children who have no hope of surviving must suffer. You keep asking me if I doubt God's abilities, SHOW ME ONE CASE where a child with a calcified brain, for example, has had that reversed by God. See, I believe God gives us a mind to think with for a reason PW and that reason, in this case, calls me to reduce human pain and suffering because it is the compassionate thing to do.

You got a lot of humans to kill to reduce human pain and suffering.

What is so wrong with delivering a baby the natural way it was intended to be delivered? Why kill it first? That's like a serial killer injecting morphine into his victims and then killing them. Do we laud those actions as heroic or compassionate?

Tiller was no monster, he was a man deeply concerned over the suffering of families, a doctor who could and did reject late-term abortions when they were simply for the mother's convenience but who always chose to help those who had little or no choice.

Not very often, there's a lot of evidence out there from women who simply went in to have late term abortions for various reasons besides the baby having issues. I just recently viewed the video of the 14 year old who had a late term abortion done at Tiller's clinic who completely pulls the covers off this whole "Tiller was compassionate" idea. If anyone needed comfort and compassion, it would've been this 14 year old but she says the only words he spoke to her in the two times that she saw him were "it will be over soon". And of course, she goes on to say that it wasn't over soon, that it's something she's had a very hard time getting over. She wasn't even there of her own volition.

So yeah, I'm quite suspect of this whole idea of compassionate abortion.

 

[kiwimac]

Link please.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Link please.

You'll have to search for it. I can't link it here because the comments that people are leaving are disgusting and vulgar.

"14 year old late term abortion tiller"

use that as your search and the youtube video is the first that will come up.

 

[lux et lex]

Nothing from what I've had to say. Very interesting in deed.