Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

[ozso]

We are talking about James and the context of the law He is quoting, the Ten Commandments. James 2:10-12

“‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37

 

[Valletta]

So says the RCC, as well. Constantine ruled from Byzantium, not Rome, and the only connection between him and the RCC is the fact that he ruled an empire which included an undivided church. The RCC actually did not appear until the Great Schism.

False, the Catholic Church is almost 2000 years old. That 2000 year old Church split during the Great Schism.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

“‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37

Yes, we should keep anything God asks of us as I have stated a few times, if we are truly keeping the first commandment, we would be keeping everything God's asks. James is quoting from is the Ten Commandments, which is the law of liberty. James 2:10-12

 

[Leaf473]

“‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37

That's interesting, a commandment to keep the entire law. (Unless that's not a commandment. But how do you tell?)

Most people I've talked to who want to divide up the law say that the Commandments are eternal.

 

[ozso]

That's interesting, a commandment to keep the entire law. (Unless that's not a commandment. But how do you tell?)

It's at the end of all the decrees and laws given by God in Leviticus 11-19.

Most people I've talked to who want to divide up the law say that the Commandments are eternal.

Verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

 

[ozso]

Yes, we should keep anything God asks of us as I have stated a few times, if we are truly keeping the first commandment, we would be keeping everything God's asks. James is quoting from is the Ten Commandments, which is the law of liberty. James 2:10-12

What scripture states that? If none exists then that must be man-made doctrine. Man deciding to keep a small part of the law, and disregard the rest, despite God saying “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37 and James saying "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What scripture states that? If none exists then that must be man-made doctrine. Man deciding to keep a small part of the law, and disregard the rest, despite God saying “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37 and James saying "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10

Perhaps you don’t understand what I am saying. What is the first commandment?

Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

Whatever we place above God, which is any disobedience to God is breaking commandment #1.

We should keep all of God’s laws and as I have stated a few times, there is not a law that doesn’t have an umbrella under the Ten. Jesus came to magnify the law Isaiah 42:21 and gave an example of that right from the Ten Matthew 5:21-30 and as James says if you break one commandment again quoting from the unit of Ten you break them all. Nothing man-made about that, but what Jesus does say is man-made is keeping our rules over the commandments of God again quoting from the Ten. Matthew 15:3-9.

 

[ozso]

Perhaps you don’t understand what I am saying. What is the first commandment?

Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

Whatever we place above God, which is any disobedience to God is breaking commandment #1.

We should keep all of God’s laws and as I have stated a few times, there is not a law that doesn’t have an umbrella under the Ten. Jesus came to magnify the law Isaiah 42:21 and gave an example of that right from the Ten Matthew 5:21-30 and as James says if you break one commandment again quoting from the unit of Ten you break them all. Nothing man-made about that, but what Jesus does say is man-made is keeping our rules over the commandments of God again quoting from the Ten. Matthew 15:3-9.

So all of the individual laws given by God to follow as written in Leviticus 11-19 must be obeyed, correct?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So all of the individual laws given by God to follow as written in Leviticus 11-19 must be obeyed, correct?

Hi again….

James is not quoting every law from Leviticus. We have to look at the context of what is being referred to…the whole law he is referring to is the Ten Commandments. He doesn’t contrast one of the Ten with a Levitical law, he is contrasting breaking one of the Ten with another law from the Ten saying if you break one you break them all, meaning if you are not committing murder, but worship other gods, much like the rich king ruler did, you break the whole law from the Ten. The Ten are on a different foundation and sadly, people can’t even bring themselves to try to keep God’s holy law and instead argue and teach against it, despite the warning from Jesus Mat 5:19-30. People would rather get rid of the other nine commandments then keep commandment #4 for some strange reason, when God just wants to spend time with His children on the day He set-aside sanctified, made holy and blessed. We can’t sanctify ourselves, only God can. Eze 20:12

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Are there laws in the OT we need to keep, of course but many laws from the book of Moses (ordinances) ended at the cross like the sacrificial laws, annual feasts, animal sacrifice and sin offerings as they all pointed to Jesus who took the penalty of sin at the cross Col 2:14-17, Hebrews 10:1-22. What did not end is sin (look around) which is what Jesus came to save us from (not in) Matthew 1:21 which is still the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points right to the Ten Romans 7:7

 

[ozso]

Are there laws in the OT we need to keep, of course but many laws from the book of Moses (ordinances) ended at the cross like the sacrificial laws, annual feasts, animal sacrifice and sin offerings as they all pointed to Jesus who took the penalty of sin at the cross Col 2:14-17, Hebrews 10:1-22. What did not end is sin (look around) which is what Jesus came to save us from (not in) Matthew 1:21 which is still the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points right to the Ten Romans 7:7

Who decided what laws from the Torah are to be kept? And what are they?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Who decided what laws from the Torah are to be kept? And what are they?

God decides. I would start with the basics- the Ten Commandments and earnestly seek to keep them and ask Jesus to help keep them. We cannot understand scripture without the guidance of the Holy Spirit who promises to teach us all things John 14:26 and is given to help us keep the commandments John 14:15-18 and to those who obey Acts 5:32. I would follow Jesus and do what He did as He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6

I need to run for now- Happy Sabbath all!

 

[ozso]

God decides. I would start with the basics- the Ten Commandments and earnestly seek to keep them and ask Jesus to help keep them. We cannot understand scripture without the guidance of the Holy Spirit who promises to teach us all things John 14:26 and is given to help us keep the commandments John 14:15-18 and to those who obey Acts 5:32. I would follow Jesus and do what He did as He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6

So it's up to individual discernment from the Holy Spirit as to which laws must still be obeyed?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So it's up to individual decrement from the Holy Spirit as to which laws must still be obeyed?

No. That’s not what I said- there is only one Truth, not many. God gives His Spirit to those who obey Acts 5:32 He is not going to give the power of the Holy Spirit to those who can’t handle it. Romans 8:4-8 The Spirit convicts us of sin which is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 if you’re confused about the laws my suggestion is to start obeying the basic, the Ten Commandments, God will lead you to the rest of what we need to keep, like His health laws etc.

 

[trophy33]

No. That’s not what I said- there is only one Truth, not many. God gives His Spirit to those who obey Acts 5:32 He is not going to give the power of the Holy Spirit to those who can’t handle it. Romans 8:4-8 The Spirit convicts us of sin which is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 if you’re confused about the laws my suggestion is to start obeying the basic, the Ten Commandments, God will lead you to the rest of what we need to keep, like His health laws etc.

So, God did not leave us any precise instruction about what from the Law is necessary to keep today and its on individuals to decide it for themselves?

 

[HIM]

So all of the individual laws given by God to follow as written in Leviticus 11-19 must be obeyed, correct?

What does Deut. 30:10-14, and Paul's paraphrase of it Rom 10:6-8 say? Therein you will find what you seek.

 

[ozso]

No. That’s not what I said- there is only one Truth, not many. God gives His Spirit to those who obey Acts 5:32 He is not going to give the power of the Holy Spirit to those who can’t handle it. Romans 8:4-8 The Spirit convicts us of sin which is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 if you’re confused about the laws my suggestion is to start obeying the basic, the Ten Commandments, God will lead you to the rest of what we need to keep, like His health laws etc.

His health laws etc. What's included in the etc? Surely that's been established by now, rather than that information being some mystery held in secret by those who are able to handle it.

 

[HIM]

So, God did not leave us any precise instruction about what from the Law is necessary to keep today and its on individuals to decide it for themselves?

What does Deut 30:10-14 and Paul's paraphrase of it in Rom 10:6-8 say?

 

[ozso]

So, God did not leave us any precise instruction about what from the Law is necessary to keep today and its on individuals to decide it for themselves?

That seems rather inconsistent, considering how precise God is in the Torah.

 

[trophy33]

What does Deut 30:10-14 and Paul's paraphrase of it in Rom 10:6-8 say?

Nothing related to my question.

Do you want to try to answer it?

 

[HIM]

No. That’s not what I said- there is only one Truth, not many. God gives His Spirit to those who obey Acts 5:32 He is not going to give the power of the Holy Spirit to those who can’t handle it. Romans 8:4-8 The Spirit convicts us of sin which is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 if you’re confused about the laws my suggestion is to start obeying the basic, the Ten Commandments, God will lead you to the rest of what we need to keep, like His health laws etc.

Amen. The Problem for most is that they have not the faith. When told to leave their country and family they will ask why. When told they must sacrifice themselves in sacrificing there only son they will ask why. In asking they will ask themselves why out of doing what God intended. We ask why as if we need to understand before doing. We are to do as the Spirit leads. Not ask why or come up with excuses not to. That is not faith.