Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

[bbbbbbb]

The church as a whole didn’t become corrupt, only Rome did.

Whew! That means that all of the Eastern Orthodox Churches did not become corrupt, even though they were founded by Constantine. They assuredly worshiped Jesus Christ on the day of His resurrection - Sunday.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You mean the foods that God told Peter to eat in Acts 10? Now I know that vision was about entering the house of a gentile. But along with that would be the foods that Cornelius and other gentiles would be serving. Remember it's not just the animal itself that's clean or unclean, but all the stipulations regarding the preparation, that if not followed make even clean animals unclean. So it seems highly likely Peter was being served and eating unclean animal flesh according to Levitical law - after Peter was told, “Do not call anything unclean that God has made clean.” Acts 10:15

The vision was not about food, but about the gospel being preached to the Gentiles as it was clearly explained.... but it also clearly shows foods were not made clean after the cross after ....it is finished, no changes which reconciles with Revelation 18:2 Isaiah 66:17

Acts 10:17 Now while Peter wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate. 18 And they called and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Peter, was lodging there.

If it was about food, he wouldn't have wondered what the vision meant . . .

19 While Peter thought about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are seeking you. 20 Arise therefore, go down and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.”

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also

I understand its not just about eating clean meats, there are many stimulations- do not eat the fat, do not eat the blood and other good health laws to follow....because God knows what's best for us.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Any church not keeping the seventh day sabbath is/was corrupt.

It's never a good idea to disobey God regardless of the commandment. God never made the Sabbath as a standalone commandment; it is part of His eternal Ten personally written by the finger of God, kept in the Most Holy of His Temple. Revelation 11:19 under His mercy seat and what we will be judged by. If we break one of these, we break them all. James 2:10-12 scripture says those who do not keep His commandments, there is no truth 1 John 2:4. God just wants to spend time with us on the day He set aside- sanctified for holy use and sad how many people fight this blessing. Isaiah 58:13-14

 

[BNR32FAN]

Any church not keeping the seventh day sabbath is/was corrupt.

I disagree

 

[BNR32FAN]

Whew! That means that all of the Eastern Orthodox Churches did not become corrupt, even though they were founded by Constantine. They assuredly worshiped Jesus Christ on the day of His resurrection - Sunday.

The eastern churches were established by the apostles long before Constantine was even born.

 

[Leaf473]

You mean the foods that God told Peter to eat in Acts 10? Now I know that vision was about entering the house of a gentile. But along with that would be the foods that Cornelius and other gentiles would be serving. Remember it's not just the animal itself that's clean or unclean, but all the stipulations regarding the preparation, that if not followed make even clean animals unclean. So it seems highly likely Peter was being served and eating unclean animal flesh according to Levitical law - after Peter was told, “Do not call anything unclean that God has made clean.” Acts 10:15

True, and touching unclean things.
Whoever touches anything that was under him shall be unclean until the evening. He who carries those things shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
Leviticus 15

 

[BNR32FAN]

True, and touching unclean things.
Whoever touches anything that was under him shall be unclean until the evening. He who carries those things shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
Leviticus 15

And sin offerings and burnt offerings had to be performed by a clean person which dispels the notion that meat offered to idols by Gentiles was considered to be clean and done in accordance with Jewish tradition.

 

[Leaf473]

That is a terrible translation. Soaked is not implied. It is misleading. And the verse needs to be understood within the context of the passages in which it is in. With that said, what kind of water Leaf?

Well, based on this translation, it looks like water that was in the unclean pot.

Suppose one of these animals falls into a clay pot. Then everything in the pot will be “unclean.” You must break the pot. 34 Any food that could be eaten but has water on it that came from that pot is “unclean.” And any liquid that could be drunk from it is “unclean.”
-New International Reader's Version

 

[HIM]

Well, based on this translation, it looks like water that was in the unclean pot.

Suppose one of these animals falls into a clay pot. Then everything in the pot will be “unclean.” You must break the pot. 34 Any food that could be eaten but has water on it that came from that pot is “unclean.” And any liquid that could be drunk from it is “unclean.”
-New International Reader's Version

Yep

 

[Leaf473]

Well all of the church except for the latter day remnant that obeyed God by keeping the sabbath (Revelation 12:17).

Keeping the Sabbath only, or also eating clean foods and tithing?

"You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can’t be hidden. 15 Neither do you light a lamp and put it under a measuring basket, but on a stand; and it shines to all who are in the house."
Matthew 5

 

[Leaf473]

The church as a whole didn’t become corrupt, only Rome did.

Does that mean that you're agreeing with this part that AV wrote, or disagreeing?

4. God's Representative is the Church the Holder of the Keys. The Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Leaf473]

Yep

Then carrying forward the idea about eating what is sold in the marketplace or what is set before you by an unbeliever,

Whatever is sold in the butcher shop, eat, asking no question for the sake of conscience, 26 for “the earth is the Lord’s, and its fullness”,

It's not enough to try to show that the gentiles were only sacrificing clean animals, that food would have had to have been handled properly in order to remain clean.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Does that mean that you're agreeing with this part that AV wrote, or disagreeing?

The Roman Catholic Church was once part of the apostolic Church of God but was excommunicated in 1054AD.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

The Roman Catholic Church was once part of the apostolic Church of God but was excommunicated in 1054AD.

love the Orthodox take on this.

 

[BNR32FAN]

love the Orthodox take on this.

Originally I got this information from Britanica because I wanted a reliable secular source that was not partial towards either side of the debate and even Wikipedia substantiates the information I got from Britanica and I get the same information from the EOC.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The eastern churches were established by the apostles long before Constantine was even born.

So says the RCC, as well. Constantine ruled from Byzantium, not Rome, and the only connection between him and the RCC is the fact that he ruled an empire which included an undivided church. The RCC actually did not appear until the Great Schism.

Nevertheless, my point still stands - according to your statement, the EOC is a pure church because it is not RCC, even though both branches of Christianity worship Jesus Christ on the first day of the week.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So says the RCC, as well. Constantine ruled from Byzantium, not Rome, and the only connection between him and the RCC is the fact that he ruled an empire which included an undivided church. The RCC actually did not appear until the Great Schism.

You don’t have to take the RCC’s word for it or the EOC’s word for it the Eastern churches and the church in Rome are mentioned in the Bible. The church in Jerusalem in the Bible, the church in Antioch in the Bible, the church in Rome in the Bible. The city of Constantinople was established by Constantine but not the church. All Constantine did was end the persecution of Christians and made Christianity legal.

 

[ozso]

True, and touching unclean things.
Whoever touches anything that was under him shall be unclean until the evening. He who carries those things shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
Leviticus 15

I have a feeling Christian gentiles under the law found a way to skate around those rules.

 

[ozso]

I disagree

Me too.

 

[Leaf473]

I have a feeling Christian gentiles under the law found a way to skate around those rules.

My impression was that the gentile Christians - and many Jewish ones - generally didn't think of themselves as under the law of Moses. If they had, letters like Corinthians would have been full of answers to questions about how to keep the finer points of the law far away from Jerusalem.

Tell me, you that desire to be under the law...
Galatians 4