Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

[HIM]

Nothing related to my question.

Do you want to try to answer it?

The answer is there. No sense in anyone telling you. Bye

 

[ozso]

Amen. The Problem for most is that they have not the faith. When told to leave their country and family they will ask why. When told they must sacrifice themselves in sacrificing there only son they will ask why. In asking they will ask themselves why out of doing what God intended. We ask why as if we need to understand before doing. We are to do as the Spirit leads. Not ask why or come up with excuses not to. That is not faith.

I'm not asking why, I'm asking what. As in what laws in the Torah are still supposed to be obeyed? I know I'll get a precise answer to that regarding the laws of which animals are clean and unclean to eat. But what about the rest of the laws in the Torah that are still supposed to be kept? What are they?

 

[Leaf473]

It's a very odd situation. Those who want to discuss keeping only part of the law are unwilling to say which laws are to be kept.

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 6:1 - New American Standard Bible

Obey God and Prosper - “Now this is the commandment, the statutes, and the judgments which the LORD your God has commanded me to teach you, so that you may do them in the land where you are going over to take possession of it,

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[trophy33]

The answer is there. No sense in anyone telling you. Bye

Interesting.

 

[HIM]

I'm not asking why, I'm asking what. As in what laws in the Torah are still supposed to be obeyed? I know I'll get a precise answer to that regarding the laws of which animals are clean and unclean to eat. But what about the rest of the laws in the Torah that are still supposed to be kept? What are they?

That post was not to you. The what is in the post that was addressed to you.

 

[HIM]

No what is odd is, it has been told. And God has shown. Yet they will not see and won't.

So What does Duet 30:10-14, and Paul's paraphrase of it in Rom 10:6-8 say. In it is the answer.

It's a very odd situation. Those who want to discuss keeping only part of the law are unwilling to say which laws are to be kept.

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[HIM]

So all of the individual laws given by God to follow as written in Leviticus 11-19 must be obeyed, correct?

What does Deut. 30:10-14, and Paul's paraphrase of it Rom 10:6-8 say? Therein you will find what you seek.

 

[ozso]

That post was not to you. The what is in the post that was addressed to you.

So far I've only seen evasive non-answers.

 

[Leaf473]

No what is odd is, it has been told. And God has shown. Yet they will not see and won't.

Would you be willing to say where the scripture passages are found that contain the instructions from the Old Testament that we are to keep today? If you ask what the sense would be, the answer is that "all scripture... is beneficial."

So What does Duet 30:10-14, and Paul's paraphrase of it in Rom 10:6-8 say. In it is the answer.

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 30:10-14 - New American Standard Bible

if you obey the LORD your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul. “For this commandment which I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far away. It is not in...

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Bible Gateway passage: Romans 10:6-8 - New American Standard Bible

But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL GO UP INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN...

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I tried this in the past and it didn't work. When I asked for clarification, you didn't answer.

Would you be willing to take some specific scripture passages and show how this process that you advocate applies?
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Edit: Don't mean the above to sound harsh. Just saying, "You give details, plz."

 

[ozso]

What does Deut. 30:10-14, and Paul's paraphrase of it Rom 10:6-8 say? Therein you will find what you seek.

Deuteronomy 30:10-14 is in regard to all the the laws in the Torah God wants obeyed. Romans 10:6-8 is about faith in Christ.

If you can't answer the question of what laws in the Torah still must be obeyed, just be honest and admit that you do not know.

 

[HIM]

Deuteronomy 30:10-14 is in regard to all the the laws in the Torah God wants obeyed. Romans 10:6-8 is about faith in Christ.

If you can't answer the question of what laws in the Torah still must be obeyed, just be honest and admit that you do not know.

On the other hand, If you can't see why should you be told? Are you not here telling others they are wrong. If ordained as a teacher surly one can see.

Romans 10:4-6 is a paraphrase of Deut 30:10:14. Those to whom Romans was written to would have known this and went to Deut and seen. What does Deut 30:10-14 say. And what does it say in Deut 29:1 in respect to Deut 30:10-14?

 

[Leaf473]

On the other hand, If you can't see why should you be told?

Hi HIM,

I understand you asked that of someone else, but if you were to ask me, my response would be Because this is a discussion forum. Discussing specific laws is a good way to show how a process works.

Brainstorm: Leviticus 19 has lots of interesting laws. How about taking the process that you advocate and showing how it applies to each instruction there?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 19:1-3 - New American Standard Bible

Idolatry Forbidden - Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying: “Speak to all the congregation of the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy. Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and you shall keep My Sabbaths; I am the LORD your God.

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And peace be with you,
my man!

 

[ozso]

On the other hand, If you can't see why should you be told? Are you not here telling others they are wrong. If ordained as a teacher surly one can see.

It's obvious that you don't know the answer. And furthermore it's obvious that's because there is no answer. That's what I did see ahead of time when I asked. Which is the reason why I asked.

 

[ozso]

Would you be willing to say where the scripture passages are found that contain the instructions from the Old Testament that we are to keep today? If you ask what the sense would be, the answer is that "all scripture... is beneficial."

Would you be willing to take some specific scripture passages and show how this process that you advocate applies?
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Edit: Don't mean the above to sound harsh. Just saying, "You give details, plz."

I can't help but take notice of the fact that if asked about keeping the Sabbath or eating a porkchop, there's not shortage of answers and teaching.

But suddenly with this question it's, "The answer is there. No sense in anyone telling you. Bye"

 

[HIM]

It's obvious that you don't know the answer. And furthermore it's obvious that's because there is no answer. That's what I did see ahead of time when I asked. Which is the reason why I asked.

Subjective Conjecture.. What does Deut30 say? Why did Paul paraphrase it? What does it say in Deut29:1 in respect to 30:10-14?

 

[HIM]

I can't help but take notice of the fact that if asked about keeping the Sabbath or eating a porkchop, there's not shortage of answers and teaching.

But suddenly with this question it's, "The answer is there. No sense in anyone telling you. Bye"

We can't help but notice Deut 30:10-14 and Paul paraphrasing it and how important 29:1 in Deut is in answering.

 

[HIM]

Hi HIM,

I understand you asked that of someone else, but if you were to ask me, my response would be Because this is a discussion forum. Discussing specific laws is a good way to show how a process works.

Brainstorm: Leviticus 19 has lots of interesting laws. How about taking the process that you advocate and showing how it applies to each instruction there?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 19:1-3 - New American Standard Bible

Idolatry Forbidden - Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying: “Speak to all the congregation of the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy. Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and you shall keep My Sabbaths; I am the LORD your God.

www.biblegateway.com

And peace be with you,
my man!

What does it say in Deut 30:10-14 in respect to what is in the heart and mouth that we do it?? That is your answer.

And we are not here to go round and round. What one might call a discussion.

 

[Leaf473]

I can't help but take notice of the fact that if asked about keeping the Sabbath or eating a porkchop, there's not shortage of answers and teaching.

But suddenly with this question it's, "The answer is there. No sense in anyone telling you. Bye"

Yep, and there's also circularity with the reasoning:

You have to
keep the Commandments that God says you're supposed to keep
in order for God to tell you
the Commandments that you're supposed to keep.

 

[Leaf473]

What does it say in Deut 30:10-14 in respect to what is in the heart and mouth that we do it?? That is your answer.

Here's the part about heart and mouth:

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 30:14 - New American Standard Bible

On the contrary, the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may follow it.

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How does that tell us which instructions to keep using the process that you are advocating?

And we are not here to go round and round. What one might call a discussion.

I agree! When discussing the theory of law keeping, the discussion can go round and round. I think it would be great if you would do a demonstration, pick some instructions from the law of Moses and show us how the process you're talking about works on those instructions.
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I'll give you a real life example in a different area. I had a headlight burn out on my car. In the old days, you unscrewed the headlight holder from the front of the car. It would have done me no good to say, "Take out the old headlight, and put in the new one." There were no screws to access from the front to remove the headlight like you did on my old '67 Ford or '76 Toyota

So I went on YouTube and put in the year, make, and model of my car. Then I watched someone change a headlight. Ooohhh... You open the hood and go at it from the back. And that thingy there twists off, there's no screws!

Now, I'm a fairly mechanical person. I've done tune-ups and a valve job on my old Toyota. And I've assembled a computer from scratch. But I stared and poked around at my modern car headlight and didn't see any way to change it.

In a similar way, I have stared at the passages you're talking about and tried to apply them. It doesn't work. I'm not saying the scripture doesn't work, but the process that you're talking about doesn't say keep this law and don't keep that law.

But maybe I'm wrong. How about doing a demonstration and showing us?

 

[ozso]

We can't help but notice Deut 30:10-14 and Paul paraphrasing it and how important 29:1 in Deut is in answering.

Then the answer to 'which laws in the Torah still need to be followed?' is all of them, because that's what Deut 29:1 and 30:10-14 are about - all of the laws given/repeated in Deuteronomy prior to chapters 29-30. So all you had to say is "all of them".