Three Questions about God's Law

[One God and Father of All]

Why did you remove out of that verse the most important thing that was said?

“...have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'”.

Most important because it shows the decree wasn't just in response to unauthorized men from Jerusalem urging gentiles to be circumcised but also urging gentiles to keep the law. It was necessary to be circumcised before keeping the law, and since gentiles were not circumcised it naturally had to be mentioned as a prerequisite.

No doubt these unauthorized men were secretly sent out by the Pharisee sect within the church who said in verse 5, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

And since the decree, authorized by the Holy Spirit", makes no mention of any requirement for gentiles to keep the law of Moses which includes the Sabbath,

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well."

then according to the Holy Spirit, this case was settled almost 2,000 years ago and applies to Christians today.

Jesus cleared up the law of the sabbath against the Pharisees. And both he and Paul cleared up the entire law by saying love of God and your neighbor fulfills it. And there in Acts chapter 15 the apostles sent letters to the church telling them to abstain from things offered to idols, and from eating blood and from sexual immorality. Things that were never rescinded. Stay away from the blood sausage.

 

[Canuckster]

Jesus cleared up the law of the sabbath against the Pharisees. And both he and Paul cleared up the entire law by saying love of God and your neighbor fulfills it. And there in Acts chapter 15 the apostles sent letters to the church telling them to abstain from things offered to idols, and from eating blood and from sexual immorality. Things that were never rescinded. Stay away from the blood sausage.

Yes,,,, The decree ("letters") was primarily to assure them that they didn't have to get circumcised and keep the law, which includes the Sabbath, which came as a great relief.

 

[Gary K]

It’s seems you’ve misunderstood my posts or didn’t read them. Nowhere did I say we are not to keep any of His laws. Let me repeat what I’ve said. Love of God and your neighbor fulfills all the law.

Then why ignore The 4th commandment? James tells us that if we break one commandment we've broken the entire law. Aren't we told to love the Lord our God will all our heart, mind, and strength?

 

[One God and Father of All]

Then why ignore The 4th commandment? James tells us that if we break one commandment we've broken the entire law. Aren't we told to love the Lord our God will all our heart, mind, and strength?

Because the hypocritical Pharisees would pull an ox out of a pit on the sabbath but would refuse a person to be healed by Jesus on that day.
so Jesus taught that the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. And to love one’s neighbor means that you might have to work on the sabbath to help them If necessary. So the sabbath was nailed to the cross.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Because the hypocritical Pharisees would pull an ox out of a pit on the sabbath but would refuse a person to be healed by Jesus on that day.
so Jesus taught that the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. And to love one’s neighbor means that you might have to work on the sabbath to help them If necessary. So the sabbath was nailed to the cross.

Jesus said something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t could not be change from His law. Mat 5:18 no man is above God. You re misunderstanding these scripture. Jesus never changed the Sabbath, the Pharisees were adding their rules to the commandments of God, Jesus was correcting them. There is nothing wrong with doing good on the Sabbath and Jesus gave examples of that- pulling an ox out of a ditch- how cruel would that be to leave an animal in distress. Another example is healing people on the Sabbath- nothing wrong with it and why doctors and nurses and pastors who work on the Sabbath are held blameless.

The Sabbath commandment was not nailed to the cross- Paul made it clear he was referring to the shadow sabbath(s) ordinances that were handwritten and were against and contrary.

Co 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

This does not fit the Sabbath commandment at all.

1. The Sabbath is a commandment Exo 20:8-11 Exo 20:6- not an ordinances.
2. The Sabbath commandment was finger written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 there is no greater authority than He and finger written is not handwritten.
3. The weekly Sabbath is not a shadow of anything it points us to Creation. Remember- because its a past event and points as a memorial to everything God Created Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1 and shows we are worshipping God Eze 20:20 and the weekly Sabbath was part of God's perfect plan before sin
4. The weekly Sabbath is holy and blessed- which is not the definition of contrary or against. Once God blesses something man cannot reverse so you would need a thus saith the Lord to end God's holy Sabbath commandment. All the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath in the entire bible is for us to keep and not profane.

Col 2:14-17 is referring to the annual sabbath(s) ordinances and sacrificial system Hen 10:1-22 that were handwritten by Moses 1 Chr 33:8 placed outside the ark as a witness against (contrary) Deut 31:26 for breaking the Ten Commandments that was placed inside. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances also called holy days Exo 12:43 Num 9:12 that have to do with food and drink offerings Heb 9:10 Num 29:21 Num 29:24 which is the context and point to Jesus who because our Sacrificial Lamb 1 Cor 5:7 who took the penalty of sin. Sin is still the same in the New Covenant- breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 the Ten Commandments Romans 7:7 that Jesus taught not to break the least of Mat 5:19 because breaking one is like breaking them all. James 2:10-12

 

[trophy33]

Jesus said something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t could not be change from His law. Mat 5:18 no man is above God.

This is a manipulative allusion.

He actually said "until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

The Mosaic Law' purpose was to be a guardian for Israel till Christ:

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Its not even a full sentence quote.

He actually said "until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

Many of the prophecies are fulfilled, but not all, Jesus said this….

Matthew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Has this been fulfilled:

Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.

Which is prophecy to Revelation (yet to be fulfilled) after Jesus comes for His people

Rev 21:4 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

This is just one example, there are lots of prophecies that have not been fulfilled and will not be until we see Jesus on the clouds and His faithful meet Him in the air. 1 Thes 4:17

Heaven and earth has not passed therefore not one jot or one tittle can be removed from His law hence- therefore whoever breaks the least of these commandments … Matthew 5:19-30

 

[trophy33]

Many of the prophecies are fulfilled, but not all, Jesus said this….

Matthew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Has this been fulfilled:

Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.

Which is prophecy to Revelation (yet to be fulfilled) after Jesus comes for His people

Rev 21:4 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

This is just one example, there are lots of prophecies that have not been fulfilled and will not be until we see Jesus on the clouds and His faithful meet Him in the air. 1 Thes 4:17

Heaven and earth has not passed therefore not one jot or one tittle can be removed from His law hence- therefore whoever breaks the least of these commandments … Matthew 5:19-30

Everything was fulfilled. Thats why the Law was till Christ.

If you think something was not fulfilled, you just do not understand the prophecy, the promise or the actual fulfillment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Everything was fulfilled. Thats why the Law was till Christ.

If you think something was not fulfilled, you just do not understand the prophecy, the promise or the actual fulfillment.

If you think you can vain Gods holy name, worship other gods or break the least of these commandments opposite of what Jesus warned because Jesus died and we can freely sin, which is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 and have no consequences and ignore Mat 5:18-30 that can be a choice one can make. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins. Heb 10:26-30


"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

God's Faithfuls keep God's commandments and the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 and follow the Lamb wherever He goes. Jesus kept the Sabbath and He is the Way, our example to follow. 1 John 2:6

Guess we will have to agree to disagree again. Take care and Happy Sabbath all!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Everything was fulfilled.

When did this get fulfilled? Jesus said ALL. Mat 5:18

1 Thes 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.

Which is prophecy to Revelation (yet to be fulfilled) after Jesus comes for His people

Rev 21:4 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[trophy33]

If you think you can vain Gods holy name, worship other gods or break the least of these commandments opposite of what Jesus warned because Jesus died and we can freely sin...

I can argue in the opposite way:

If you think you can kill witches, homosexuals, animals, adulterers... then you will actually sin heavily, from our current perspective. But its all the part of the Mosaic Law.

 

[trophy33]

When did this get fulfilled? Jesus said ALL. Mat 5:18

1 Thes 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.

Which is prophecy to Revelation (yet to be fulfilled) after Jesus comes for His people

Rev 21:4 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Everything was fulfilled in the first century. You do not need to ask for one prophecy after another. Everything means everything.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I can argue in the opposite way:

If you think you can kill witches, homosexuals, animals, adulterers... then you will actually sin heavily, from our current perspective. But its all the part of the Mosaic Law.

Believe what you wish, Mat 7:21-23 1 John 2:1-6 James 2:10-12 Rev 12:14 Rev 22:14-15 etc. disagrees

 

[trophy33]

Believe what you wish, Mat 7:21-23 1 John 2:1-6 James 2:10-12 Rev 12:14 Rev 22:14-15 etc. disagrees with you.

Good grief. You are simply living in another time era, if you believe that killing somebody for example for adultery is what is expected of you by God.

You will end up in prison.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Everything was fulfilled in the first century. You do not need to ask for one prophecy after another. Everything means everything.

This is your version of being with the Lord and no more sin, no more sorrows, no more tears.

Believe as you wish.

Take care.

 

[HIM]

God’s law is most certainly good for all! But it is only required to be kept by those under the law.
The law was given to the Jews only. Gentiles were not under the law.
if the Jews were unable to keep the law then why would anyone expect the Gentiles to keep the law and why would any Gentile want to put himself under the law that’s called ‘the ministration of death”
It’s good for anyone to have at least one day of rest.

If we are sinning we are under the Law for the Law is for sinners.

 

[trophy33]

This is your version of being with the Lord and no more sin, no more sorrows, no more tears.

Believe as you wish.

Take care.

Its not "believing as I wish". Its apostolic Christianity:

“The Law and the Prophets were until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it."
Lk 16:16

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and regulations (δόγμασιν)."
Eph 2:15

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
Gal 5:1

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
Rom 7:6

You are simply believing your man-made tradition of Seventh Day Adventism and trying to convert people to join this 19th century group, with various misquotes and manipulation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No wonder we have this warning when people take Paul's out of context scriptures over the plain Words of Jesus. Mat 5:17-30 Mat 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 John 15:10 etc.

2 Peter 3: 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[trophy33]

No wonder we have this warning when people take Paul's out of context scriptures over the Words of Jesus.

2 Peter 3: 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

If you think this will work as a dismissal of Paul's words, then no. He has written the most of the New Testament and founded the most churches throughout the Roman Empire.

 

[HIM]

If you think this will work as a dismissal of Paul's words, then no. He has written the most of the New Testament and founded the most churches throughout the Roman Empire.

It isn't a dismissal of Paul's words through Christ. It is a dismissal of YOUR understanding of them.