Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

[klutedavid]

Thus you have Christ break the commandments.

Exodus 23:12

Riding a donkey was strictly forbidden on the Sabbath

That is a good point you have there. A palm Saturday is impossible because that donkey was working hard and in clear violation of Exodus 23:12.

 

[His student]

Where do the Jews call the 10th of Nissan a "Great Sabbath?"

The sabbath before Passover is called the Great Sabbath because, according to tradition and Jewish reckoning, the 10th of Nissan (the original day of selection of the lambs in Egypt occurred on a sabbath. The original killing of the Passover lamb took place on Wed. evening and the "high day" of the 15th took place on Thursday according to tradition and their reckoning.

Google it - as they say.

It seems that, as the Lord would have it, the same thing occurred exactly when the type was fulfilled by the Lord - our Passover.

Every event from that time of the birth of the nation Israel occurred exactly as the Lord planned it and was fulfilled in type exactly so.

Trace out the picture given to us in Exodus and Leviticus 23 and see Israel seemingly wondering about on the Egyptian side of the Red Sea prior to crossing over at night and being "discovered" at dawn on Sunday as they ascended.

You'll also see the open show of Pharaoh - which type was fulfilled when the Lord made an open show of Satan on Sunday.

Look also for the sanctification of the first born of Israel and the resurrection of the fulfilled types appearing to many in Israel when the resurrection of the Lord took place with His waving of those first fruits of the Harvest before God on the day after the Sabbath when "He" entered the Land God gave Him on Sunday as commanded in the O.T.

The Lord didn't have an "early" Passover meal at the Last Supper because He would be "busy the next evening dying for the sins of the world". It was the fulfillment of the ritual meal before Passover where all leaven was searched out and disposed of in the houses of Israel. (See the removal of Judas and the washing of the feet of the disciples and much much more.)

The Lord did not disobey the command of God by removing sandals from His feet and those of the disciples in contradiction of the command of God. The Lord and His disciples did not disobey God by leaving their house and somehow flaunting it by going out to the garden at midnight and praying.

etc. etc. The types are even more intricately fulfilled then these few examples when you look for them.

It does require the Last Supper being only the "preparation" for the actual Passover.

It does require that the events on Thursday be considered part of "all these things" referred to by the man on the road to Emmaus.

It does require a Palm Saturday rather than the traditional Palm Sunday.

But then - the difficulties are no where as numerous with this scenario than with any others.

Besides the other scenarios such as a Friday crucifixion miss the point of the types fulfilled by the Lord altogether.

To each His own I suppose though.

 

[klutedavid]

This is what your really saying.

crucifixion day...
Wednesday afternoon Jesus died on the cross and is buried.

Thursday night, -1 night...
Thursday afternoon Jesus has been in the tomb one full day.

Friday morning, night - 1 day, 2 nights... Friday afternoon Jesus has been in the tomb for two whole days.

Saturday morning, night- 2 days, 3 nights... Saturday afternoon Jesus has been in the tomb for three whole days and nights and has risen.

 

[Der Alte]

Google it - as they say.
It seems that, as the Lord would have it, the same thing occurred exactly when the type was fulfilled by the Lord - our Passover.
Every event from that time of the birth of the nation Israel occurred exactly as the Lord planned it and was fulfilled in type exactly so.
Trace out the picture given to us in Exodus and Leviticus 23 and see Israel seemingly wondering about on the Egyptian side of the Red Sea prior to crossing over at night and being "discovered" at dawn on Sunday as they ascended.
You'll also see the open show of Pharaoh - which type was fulfilled when the Lord made an open show of Satan on Sunday.
Look also for the sanctification of the first born of Israel and the resurrection of the fulfilled types appearing to many in Israel when the resurrection of the Lord took place with His waving of those first fruits of the Harvest before God on the day after the Sabbath when "He" entered the Land God gave Him on Sunday as commanded in the O.T.
The Lord didn't have an "early" Passover meal at the Last Supper because He would be "busy the next evening dying for the sins of the world". It was the fulfillment of the ritual meal before Passover where all leaven was searched out and disposed of in the houses of Israel. (See the removal of Judas and the washing of the feet of the disciples and much much more.)
The Lord did not disobey the command of God by removing sandals from His feet and those of the disciples in contradiction of the command of God. The Lord and His disciples did not disobey God by leaving their house and somehow flaunting it by going out to the garden at midnight and praying.
etc. etc. The types are even more intricately fulfilled then these few examples when you look for them.
It does require the Last Supper being only the "preparation" for the actual Passover.
It does require that the events on Thursday be considered part of "all these things" referred to by the man on the road to Emmaus.
It does require a Palm Saturday rather than the traditional Palm Sunday.
But then - the difficulties are no where as numerous with this scenario than with any others.
Besides the other scenarios such as a Friday crucifixion miss the point of the types fulfilled by the Lord altogether.
To each His own I suppose though.

Nonsense upon nonsense. In the end you make claims you can't back up. The way it works is the person who makes a claim is supposed to provide evidence for his claim.

 

[His student]

Thus you have Christ break the commandments. Exodus 23:12 Riding a donkey was strictly forbidden on the Sabbath

Which is exactly why the "Lord of the Sabbath" anticipated someone having a problem with His taking the donkey to ride into Jerusalem that Saturday - just as there had been to His picking heads of grain and healing on the sabbath.

There was also objection by the religious leaders to the people cutting branches and laying them out for the Lord of the Sabbath.

But it is and always has been what God calls the Lord's Sabbath.

He wasn't just pretending to be angry when He saw the money changers in the temple. It wasn't just for show that He cast them out on the second entry to Jerusalem the next day. Had they been there on that sabbath when He first entered, He would have cast them out then and not just looked around and left the city for the night.

Certainly there are numerous problems to be reckoned in with any scenario.

The Lord hasn't made this just cut and dried to understand correctly. It is, as with a lot of doctrine, a bit of a systematic theology balancing act.

 

[His student]

Nonsense upon nonsense. In the end you make claims you can't back up. The way it works is the person who makes a claim is supposed to provide evidence for his claim.

The way it works is you're supposed to study to show yourself approved - a workman who need not be ashamed.

 

[Der Alte]

The way it works is you're supposed to study to show yourself approved - a workman who need not be ashamed.

Wrong! I have studied, quite evidently you haven't since you can't back up anything you say. Since you cannot/will not back up what you say you evidently have not studied yourself.

 

[His student]

This is what your really saying.

This is what I'm really saying.
Wed. exactly at day's end and day's beginning - into the tomb.

Wed. night, Thursday night, and Friday night - 3 nights

Thursday, Friday and Saturday - 3 days.

Resurrection as with the entombment exactly at the change of day to night on Wed. and Saturday - 72 hours to the second.

A mysterious work in the other world during darkness Saturday night while the first fruits of the resurrection showed themselves in the city before their presentation to God at dawn on Sunday as a wave offering of harvest to come at the end of the age..

 

[His student]

Wrong! I have studied, quite evidently you haven't since you can't back up anything you say. Since you cannot/will not back up what you say you evidently have not studied yourself.

I'm not going to print out for you every pertinent scripture from the O.T. and the N.T.

Open your Bible and you will see them. There isn't so much material that you can't work through it for yourself without me writing a theology book for you.

If you end up seeing it different than I do after looking them up - may God bless you.

 

[klutedavid]

This is what I'm really saying.
Wed. exactly at days end - into the tomb.

Wed. night, Thursday night, and Friday night - 3 nights

Thursday, Friday and Saturday - 3 days.

Resurrection as with the entombment exactly at the change of day to night on Wed. and Saturday - 72 hours to the second.

A mysterious work in the other world during darkness Saturday night while the first fruits of the resurrection showed themselves in the city before their presentation to God at dawn on Sunday as a wave offering of harvest to come at the end of the age..

If Jesus is in the tomb on Wednesday afternoon then He rises on Saturday afternoon. Jesus died at approximately 3 pm and must rise before sunset. Otherwise your proclaiming a fourth day resurrection.

 

[His student]

If Jesus is in the tomb on Wednesday afternoon then He rises on Saturday afternoon. Jesus died at approximately 3 pm and must rise before sunset. Otherwise your proclaiming a fourth day resurrection.

Oh - I forgot. They dug a hole at the base of the cross and just sort of cut him down at 3 P.M and anointed His body with spices they had placed in the hole in the early afternoon for Him to fall on and roll around in at 3 P.M. when He gave up the ghost.

You do remember that Joseph asked Pilot for the body at evening, don't you?

You are simply being argumentative. I have been very clear. I couldn't be more clear.

In the economy of God His internment came to pass at the exact second of the change of day to night at the end of Nissan 14 and the beginning of Nissan 15 (as only God Himself could know and execute).

 

[prodromos]

But then - the difficulties are no where as numerous with this scenario than with any others.

When "three days and three nights" is recognised as the figure of speech that it is, there are no difficulties.

 

[prodromos]

Which is exactly why the "Lord of the Sabbath" anticipated someone having a problem with His taking the donkey to ride into Jerusalem that Saturday - just as there had been to His picking heads of grain and healing on the sabbath.

There is no prohibition to picking heads of grain or healing on the Sabbath in the Scriptures. Those complaints were due to the hair splitting of the Pharisees over what did or didn't entail "work". Exodus 23:12 requires no interpretation. If Jesus rode a donkey on the Sabbath then He violated the commandment.

The Lord hasn't made this just cut and dried to understand correctly.

Could not disagree more.

It is, as with a lot of doctrine, a bit of a systematic theology balancing act.

We can see what sort of mental gymnastics you have to engage in.

 

[His student]

When "three days and three nights" is recognised as the figure of speech that it is, there are no difficulties.

Tell the Roman guards posted at the tomb all about it.

I'm sure they planned to pull up stakes and leave after a single night and day anyway when the angels just sort of made sure they would leave the tomb by scaring them half to death.

By the way - the priests asked Pilot for a guard to be put on the tomb "the next day" (supposedly Saturday) so everyone including the guards and priests must have understood 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth as meaning a few hours. That's quite a "figure of speech" for everyone to be up on.

 

[His student]

.........We can see what sort of mental gymnastics you have to engage in.

Try coming up with some clear and concise systematic doctrinal statements on soteriology sometime.

 

[prodromos]

Tell the Roman guards posted at the tomb all about it.

I'm sure they planned to pull up stakes and leave after a single night and day anyway when the angels just sort of made sure they would leave the tomb by scaring them half to death.

By the way - the priests asked Pilot for a guard to be put on the tomb "the next day" (supposedly Saturday) so everyone including the guards and priests must have understood 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth as meaning a few hours. That's quite a "figure of speech" for everyone to be up on.

Next day, that is, after the day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate and said, “Sir, we remember how that imposter said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ Therefore order the sepulchre to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away, and tell the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be worse than the first.”​

There you have evidence that "on the third day" and "after three days" mean the same thing in Jewish culture, plus the guards were only requested up to the third day, the Sabbath on which they were requested already being the 2nd day (His burial on Friday being the 1st)

 

[Der Alte]

I'm not going to print out for you every pertinent scripture from the O.T. and the N.T.
Open your Bible and you will see them. There isn't so much material that you can't work through it for yourself without me writing a theology book for you.
If you end up seeing it different than I do after looking them up - may God bless you.

Of course not, as I said you don't provide evidence because you can't provide any evidence. You make empty claims you can't back up then tell the people you are talking to to look it up for themselves.

 

[His student]

Hopefully we have a few more Easters before the Lord returns gentlemen. Plenty of time to keep working on it til you get it right.

 

[His student]

Of course not, as I said you don't provide evidence because you can't provide any evidence. You make empty claims you can't back up then tell the people you are talking to to look it up for themselves.

The most unnatural and forced scenario and the one that is questioned by thinking believers and unbelievers alike around the world every single Easter is the silly and impossible Friday crucifixion scenario.

A Wed. crucifixion with a resurrection at sundown on Saturday is the most straight forward one of all. In the end it's simple math.

Are there problem scriptures encountered with that scenario? Yes there are. But nowhere near as many as with the ridiculous Friday scenario. If anyone needs to cut and paste scriptures and provide detailed reasons for subscribing to something it's the Friday people.

But you and I both know full well that people simply don't read long page long posts when posted here. They might buy a book if published. But, unfortunately, even then most probably won't work that hard at studying God's Word.

But the pertinent scriptures are not that difficult to find. There is an abundant amount of commentary material on all points to be found with simple Google searches. Some are accurate and some seen at least somewhat plausible while many are not and do not.

I have given people here a cursory outline of the prophetic types and their fulfillment. It will give those who choose to go further in their studies a leg up on many who approach the subject haphazardly.

Whether it's eschatology, soteriology or this subject - the Lord has seen fit to provide a rather fragmented and sometimes seemingly contradictory and impossible to reconcile scripture picture. I wish, particularly when it comes to soteriology, I wish it were not so. But is simply the Lord's way of doing things. It requires work and even some compromises of sorts to reconcile the scriptures. But it is not unreasonable to do.

Good systematic theology takes exactly that. Those who do the work will perhaps be approved when they meet the Lord and their conclusions be shown to be correct. The conclusions of some will not. But one thing is sure IMO - those who simply swallow what their particular group pumps out without thinking things completely through will not be approved even if they end up being right.

In the case of soteriology (or the study of salvation) - the result can be them being told that He never knew them or at least that they had been preaching a false gospel all along.

Fortunately - this area is not of that nature and importance. It does make for good practice theology wise. But it's still a test of sorts for the church to take.

Good luck with your studies of Passion Week should you wish to continue with them.

 

[Der Alte]

The most unnatural and forced scenario and the one that is questioned by thinking believers and unbelievers alike around the world every single Easter is the silly and impossible Friday crucifixion scenario.
A Wed. crucifixion with a resurrection at sundown on Saturday is the most straight forward one of all. In the end it's simple math.
Are there problem scriptures encountered with that scenario? Yes there are. But nowhere near as many as with the ridiculous Friday scenario. If anyone needs to cut and paste scriptures and provide detailed reasons for subscribing to something it's the Friday people.
But you and I both know full well that people simply don't read long page long posts when posted here. They might buy a book if published. But, unfortunately, even then most probably won't work that hard at studying God's Word.
But the pertinent scriptures are not that difficult to find. There is an abundant amount of commentary material on all points to be found with simple Google searches. Some are accurate and some seen at least somewhat plausible while many are not and do not.
Whether it's eschatology, soteriology or this subject - the Lord has seen fit to provide a rather fragmented and sometimes seemingly contradictory and impossible to reconcile scripture picture. I wish, particularly when it comes to soteriology, I wish it were not so. But is simply the Lord's way of doing things. It requires work and even some compromises of sorts to reconcile the scriptures. But it is not unreasonable to do.
Good systematic theology takes exactly that. Those who do the work will perhaps be approved when they meet the Lord and their conclusions be shown to be correct. The conclusions of some will not. But one thing is sure IMO - those who simply swallow what their particular group pumps out without thinking things completely through will not be approved even if they end up being right.
In the case of soteriology (or the study of salvation) - the result can be them being told that He never knew them or at least that they had been preaching a false gospel all along.
Fortunately - this area is not of that nature and importance. It does make for good practice theology wise. But it's still a test of sorts for the church to take.
Good luck with your studies of Passion Week should you wish to continue with them.

Repeating the same unsupported arguments over and over does not make them correct. Simply scoffing at everything I or anyone else says does not make them incorrect and you correct.
Irrefutable scriptural evidence has been posted more than once documenting that the first day of the week, i.e. Sunday [corrected typo], was the third day from Jesus' resurrection.
I don't need to study the passion week further, I do not accept the repetitious unsupported opinions off anonymous people online.