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some of us choose to be made in the image of angels rather than God who is the fullness of the angelic hierarchy.

Job 17:11-16 (YLT)
My days have passed by, My devices have been broken off, The possessions of my heart! Night for day they appoint, Light is near because of darkness. If I wait--Sheol is my house, In darkness I have spread out my couch. To corruption I have called: --`Thou art my father.' `My mother' and `my sister' --to the worm. And where is now my hope? Yea, my hope, who doth behold it? To the parts of Sheol ye go down, If together on the dust we may rest.


his faith and his hope were swallowed up by love. look at how much job loves God. the possessions of his heart were broken off because they are a wicked attachment of the soul to something less than God - " To corruption I have called: --`Thou art my father.' `My mother' and `my sister' --to the worm." this is job speaking of how he was before his affliction when he was seemingly blessed but is now seeing God save him from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

then he continues on in love wondering where his hope went, expressing the divine love. his faith and hope complete in love together they go down for this beautiful rest may even be in the dust of sheol. all evil devices broken off, his heart possessed by God. job is one of the most blessed humans I have seen. in hope he crys out to the darkness knowing God is with him. truly his hope is seen, veiled in parables I see he is speaking the truth, he understands and he dwells with God even at this point in his sufferings. peace he is with all things, if the worms eat him it is the goodness of God, he crys out to corruption "love me God" piercing the depths reaching for God. darkness and light are the same to job.

job does not see a separation caused by marriage because before his affliction he saw marriage and now here he sees something greater. it is like he is seeing the last revelation of God - the Holy Spirit, and taken away on a path where he does not return.

again the beauty of job as God made him to be:

Job 16:22-17:9 (YLT)
When a few years do come, Then a path I return not do I go. My spirit hath been destroyed, My days extinguished--graves are for me. If not--mockeries are with me. And in their provocations mine eye lodgeth. Place, I pray Thee, my pledge with Thee; Who is he that striketh hand with me? For their heart Thou hast hidden From understanding, Therefore Thou dost not exalt them. For a portion he sheweth friendship, And the eyes of his sons are consumed. And he set me up for a proverb of the peoples, And a wonder before them I am. And dim from sorrow is mine eye, And my members as a shadow all of them. Astonished are the upright at this, And the innocent against the profane Stirreth himself up. And the righteous layeth hold on his way, And the clean of hands addeth strength, And--dumb are they all.


the cross of Jesus Christ he truly knows. I have been struggling with "And the innocent against the profane Stirreth himself up." the profane have cried out so loudly I can't take it. if only I could let go, it would bypass this harder path of self doing the "And the righteous layeth hold on his way, And the clean of hands addeth strength," so the outcome can be with God in " And--dumb are they all. " for when God speaks dumb are we all, truly our real strength is weakness and to lay hold of the way is already a separation which is why God told us we can not also take of the tree of life or to not lay hold of Jesus for he had not ascended to his Father. may the Lord overcome in us everything that we all might be with him more for the suffering of humanity is day after day the symbol job is and they do not know that the world is going through the dark night of the soul. if only it would be finished...


again:
And the righteous layeth hold on his way, And the clean of hands addeth strength, And--dumb are they all.
God lays hold of us. our hands become clean ( virgin of Gods ) because they grasp nothing and so they are called "clean", only grasping God. the third saying is "And--dumb are they all." the complete Trinity, the union in three. the kingdom of heaven. the everlasting joy, unspeakable joy. this saying is the completion of the 10 virgins with no more process, from the tree of lifes view without the falling away in any form because the tree of life is the Trinity and is the complete process if only we would fully submit, even though God is not hindered why is it that we keep ourselves locked in hell? it is like I have no will to die and I don't know how to be emptied out enough for God because all the symbols my body trys to replicate get in my way, this flesh weights me down and it is the true sorrow that humanity bares. if only my soul would be free, why when I stop breathing to try to pay attention to God, why must I breath? my poor self in torments and pains, this wickedness of having to exist in such a crude form of reality, feeling trapped in this place and unable to fully love God.

but it does not matter. God will unite all the angels inside of me and nothing will separate us.
 
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The messenger only exists in the realm of duality.

i don't mean to type so much but I don't know what else to do.

but the true meaning of duality is the same as everything else is :p

come on we have to have a little bit of fun on this stage and besides all the sudden things get serious and then peace comes again, it is all for God and our love to him and he for us.... it is the only real thing. I don't know how to point out a difference between the still waters and the waters that swirl around because its the same water and both are experienced right? even if my little soul is confused at what it trys to express it knows there is that grace that is always there anyways and all I desire is to be in his love and to love him.

sadly i see my soul is hindered to some degree but should that stop me from wanting to express God? i can't see the blocks in my soul and so i try to bring them out so that i can love God with all that I am, so that i can become for God because it is his delight. don't you think i'm trying to draw something out of you as well? don't you think that all I want is for everyone to be with God more than they realize they already are? I already know you love God.

and all you say you want to say it for God and you only want people to be with God. I don't think anyone really wants to be hindered from loving God.

is there a beautiful place with no messengers and yet where they all rejoice together? does anyone need a messenger when no one is a stranger? is oneness really as simple as one? why is it that God created us in the first place if everything is to be in a simple oneness? don't you think God deserves love just as much as he gives love? do i truly understand what you are saying? I highly doubt I grasp it enough. it is so much easier to understand common mistakes than deep truths.

maybe the seeming higher angelic ranks and layers of reality only exist for the sole purpose of everyone getting to truly assist everyone. Jesus Christ rules until all enemies are under his footstool and then he hands it all over to his Father and he is all in all. we find in the song of songs.... which is like the holy of holies... that he is simply known as 'solomon' and yet I am greatly bothered to make sure I do not stumble over heavenly temptations due to some hidden folly in my heart. maybe the earthly church still has a hold on me that needs to bet let go of or maybe it was the heavenly church telling me I must surly deny myself and reject certain things. what I want is to love God but poor love is in a terrible mess because she does not know which way to go and how to love God in the purity that God desires her to love him with.

there has to be other valid ways to be with God. the holy study of the scriptures gives an endless supply of spiritual contemplation. I think the only different between objectless contemplation and contemplation with symbols is that the ones with the symbols happen to have symbols. the earth and the sun exist in harmony. the rays of the sun go out to the earth. but we also see the sun up close nowadays thanks to technology and we see rivers of fire go out of the sun and then turn back into the sun. I think that with the popularization of mysticism there is going to come a great and wicked attack of the evil one to it, just like what happened with normal Christianity and so there is no small danger and it calls for us to not kill the deeper truths just like the more commonly expressed truths have been crucified. maybe the past mysticism or what we call the inner Christianity was not the mysticism of mysticism. i have to see every single facet and I have to see if they love God or if they are just being fools and falling away from God. I am so sick of hearing about spiritually that speaks about bliss but does not say anything about Gods heart, i'm so sick of hearing about a mysticism that says to people "you get what you want" when really what does that matter if we never get what we really want? I try to see where the line is drawn but it is so hard. people want to tell me "then don't put effort into it" but they are the very ones unwilling to go any further.

I can't sort it out on my own and it could be that this is all happening due to some faults in myself. to this day I don't have all the answers and when I try to be fair with everything I find myself in a place where it feels no one has attempted to be. but that's just a lie, right? I don't understand Gods plan in all its depths but I want to. I keep typing words but it is because i'm reaching for something that i don't fully grasp yet. when I pray to God it is always some words that are good but I know when i say them they fall so short but I pray them in faith and with groanings with the Holy Spirit but all this crystallization still needs to be whatever God desires it to be. i don't know how to express what i'm trying to say and its like I don't have enough emotions and my body does not know how to cry tears so much and I asked God if he would just give me a heart attack because i'm so sick of having to face my enemy when all I want to do is face God and yet at the same time I want to be with God in this place. all I have done is curse people with a wall of text because I don't know how to truly communicate with them - love that is invisible.... that day after day I do not understand and that there is no end to but this silent crying out must be heard but what does Gods heart truly want? just because God says "you" over and over I still don't understand.

its not fair when I want to talk about God but it is impossible to. its not fair that i have to say so many things just to try to say what i want to say and still fail at saying what i want to say. it hurts so much because I don't know how to love people and yet I don't hurt enough over it. there is nothing I can do... I don't want to be that guy that is all puffed up speaking all kinds of things and God be displeased with him. I think it is much easier to die than to live in this world and yet how terrible if God gave me a chance to die and I don't do it well enough and perfectly for him? i can't live or die rightly for him and I am so sick of human empathy and sympathy. i'm nothing but I can't truly be nothing like I want to be.

I thank God that he is the only one able to solve my problem. cursed am I because I am an ignorant human that does not steadfastly glare at the sun in all his glory. it is a painful torment when you want to be destroyed by the sun but you can't even bare to look at him enough from the earth. how is it even possible to forget God?

in conclusion to my ramblings this song sums it up:

youtube.com/watch?v=5I-r3Z_tm7I
 
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it is easier to understand than to not understand. how beautiful that God designed a way for us to be so weak, it is but one moment of his love.


here is a video of the sun:

youtube.com/watch?v=HFT7ATLQQx8
 
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Him/Her/Itself - YHVH
finally I can see what the name means in that way... just like I see it as two 13s since it adds up to 26.

the jewish believers that are christian have some very valuable gifts but then again everyone does. I like how they realize the Trinity in the kabalah, how they explained the Trinity in the fathomless beauty. Jesus spoke of his Father from this fathomless beauty. or his Father spoke of himself inwardly through his Son but both speak as one beauty... the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father. an endless multiplying as a symbol but all one and past one and yet the kingdom is eternal. how beautiful, the wrapping up, the sending of his Holy Spirit to each of us. how beautiful, the endless beauty he is. he is experienced as love. why does he love? why do you desire this, Lord? I see he loves the questions. his heart is happy, how could he not be happy? I want to make his heart happy but I don't know why he would even want that. I understand that it is love and that love created reason but reason is swallowed up in love. there does not have to be a purpose for love. purpose is not a worthy thing to be. what does having a point mean? love is the point but what is he before love? in the process of the Trinity there is desire in the emptiness and love in the fullness, but it is the same. so it was that the still water and the water stirring are the same. I remember realizing/experiencing this forever in eternity. how strange and beautiful you are - God. truly my only desire with this love is you, how could it ever be anything else? it is two opposite abysses uniting. it is one abyss. one and many. oneness in threeness. oneness in threeness is the beginning and the end that has no beginning or end.

Gods energies are drawing us, gathering us together,... his little essences to his big essence, in freedom and love. just look at the sun... his energies hold all things together and gather all things to himself while allowing freedom. his energies come from his essence. with the flare happening his energies are shown in a different fashion than from the hugeness of his essence that also have and manifest his energies. we are shown in a different fashion when going out of the sun, shown as a flare essence, sharing the same energies, compelled and like to like returning. this is but one facet of what the sun is and does. we do not forget the earth and the sunlight reaching the earth, it is all part of the whole and beauty. the earth follows the sun, the sun gives light and warmth to the earth. by those 2 comparisons I see the higher and the lower. here my earth is a kind of essence differing from the sun as God is transcendent... and in the other God is imminent. the two are one. the supposed fate of the earth is that the sun will expand and engulf it... as even the sun has a kind of dynamism about it and so too does God have a kind of dynamism.... just as he is also changeless in another regard. nothing can really explain him and yet he explains himself forever. all the changeableness of God is within his unchanging. all the changing, all the forms, are united in a formless unchanging. from nothing comes all things. God made us all out of his love, which is not a thing. "nothing" describes this thing that God is, which is not a thing. he is nothing and something, past that.

I see the divine process in this song:

youtube.com/watch?v=VJEOhy-1wdQ
 
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i don't mean to type so much but I don't know what else to do.

but the true meaning of duality is the same as everything else is :p

come on we have to have a little bit of fun on this stage and besides all the sudden things get serious and then peace comes again, it is all for God and our love to him and he for us.... it is the only real thing. I don't know how to point out a difference between the still waters and the waters that swirl around because its the same water and both are experienced right? even if my little soul is confused at what it trys to express it knows there is that grace that is always there anyways and all I desire is to be in his love and to love him.

sadly i see my soul is hindered to some degree but should that stop me from wanting to express God? i can't see the blocks in my soul and so i try to bring them out so that i can love God with all that I am, so that i can become for God because it is his delight. don't you think i'm trying to draw something out of you as well? don't you think that all I want is for everyone to be with God more than they realize they already are? I already know you love God.

and all you say you want to say it for God and you only want people to be with God. I don't think anyone really wants to be hindered from loving God.

is there a beautiful place with no messengers and yet where they all rejoice together? does anyone need a messenger when no one is a stranger? is oneness really as simple as one? why is it that God created us in the first place if everything is to be in a simple oneness? don't you think God deserves love just as much as he gives love? do i truly understand what you are saying? I highly doubt I grasp it enough. it is so much easier to understand common mistakes than deep truths.

maybe the seeming higher angelic ranks and layers of reality only exist for the sole purpose of everyone getting to truly assist everyone. Jesus Christ rules until all enemies are under his footstool and then he hands it all over to his Father and he is all in all. we find in the song of songs.... which is like the holy of holies... that he is simply known as 'solomon' and yet I am greatly bothered to make sure I do not stumble over heavenly temptations due to some hidden folly in my heart. maybe the earthly church still has a hold on me that needs to bet let go of or maybe it was the heavenly church telling me I must surly deny myself and reject certain things. what I want is to love God but poor love is in a terrible mess because she does not know which way to go and how to love God in the purity that God desires her to love him with.

there has to be other valid ways to be with God. the holy study of the scriptures gives an endless supply of spiritual contemplation. I think the only different between objectless contemplation and contemplation with symbols is that the ones with the symbols happen to have symbols. the earth and the sun exist in harmony. the rays of the sun go out to the earth. but we also see the sun up close nowadays thanks to technology and we see rivers of fire go out of the sun and then turn back into the sun. I think that with the popularization of mysticism there is going to come a great and wicked attack of the evil one to it, just like what happened with normal Christianity and so there is no small danger and it calls for us to not kill the deeper truths just like the more commonly expressed truths have been crucified. maybe the past mysticism or what we call the inner Christianity was not the mysticism of mysticism. i have to see every single facet and I have to see if they love God or if they are just being fools and falling away from God. I am so sick of hearing about spiritually that speaks about bliss but does not say anything about Gods heart, i'm so sick of hearing about a mysticism that says to people "you get what you want" when really what does that matter if we never get what we really want? I try to see where the line is drawn but it is so hard. people want to tell me "then don't put effort into it" but they are the very ones unwilling to go any further.

I can't sort it out on my own and it could be that this is all happening due to some faults in myself. to this day I don't have all the answers and when I try to be fair with everything I find myself in a place where it feels no one has attempted to be. but that's just a lie, right? I don't understand Gods plan in all its depths but I want to. I keep typing words but it is because i'm reaching for something that i don't fully grasp yet. when I pray to God it is always some words that are good but I know when i say them they fall so short but I pray them in faith and with groanings with the Holy Spirit but all this crystallization still needs to be whatever God desires it to be. i don't know how to express what i'm trying to say and its like I don't have enough emotions and my body does not know how to cry tears so much and I asked God if he would just give me a heart attack because i'm so sick of having to face my enemy when all I want to do is face God and yet at the same time I want to be with God in this place. all I have done is curse people with a wall of text because I don't know how to truly communicate with them - love that is invisible.... that day after day I do not understand and that there is no end to but this silent crying out must be heard but what does Gods heart truly want? just because God says "you" over and over I still don't understand.

its not fair when I want to talk about God but it is impossible to. its not fair that i have to say so many things just to try to say what i want to say and still fail at saying what i want to say. it hurts so much because I don't know how to love people and yet I don't hurt enough over it. there is nothing I can do... I don't want to be that guy that is all puffed up speaking all kinds of things and God be displeased with him. I think it is much easier to die than to live in this world and yet how terrible if God gave me a chance to die and I don't do it well enough and perfectly for him? i can't live or die rightly for him and I am so sick of human empathy and sympathy. i'm nothing but I can't truly be nothing like I want to be.

I thank God that he is the only one able to solve my problem. cursed am I because I am an ignorant human that does not steadfastly glare at the sun in all his glory. it is a painful torment when you want to be destroyed by the sun but you can't even bare to look at him enough from the earth. how is it even possible to forget God?

We cannot ... just as we cannot separate our process from the process God will forever continually be going through as the truth of himself in us.

There is no end to the entering into this kingdom as a perception we live in, for to those who are entering it is always beginning.
 
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We cannot ... just as we cannot separate our process from the process God will forever continually be going through as the truth of himself in us.

There is no end to the entering into this kingdom as a perception we live in, for to those who are entering it is always beginning.

we certainly have to go to him ourselves. our freedom is very important to God. without our own freedom we could not truly be his children, we could not truly choose to be in the image of our Father, and we could not choose as our Father chooses.

it is a beautiful thing that we are Gods other half. to no longer be trapped in the delusion of this cosmos, to be free and loving in and with God... it is like the saying:

Luke 7:33-35 (YLT)
`For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and ye say, He hath a demon; the Son of Man came eating and drinking, and ye say, Lo, a man, a glutton, and a wine drinker, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners; and the wisdom was justified from all her children.'


each of the three perspectives/truths/spiritual glories going deeper into the truth of God and his beloved.

but each of us can love him. each of us can return the love he gives us. he is our beloved... how could we but love him who loves us and who made us out of his love? even in our turning away from him we cry out to him and he has certainly not changed his mind about who he is and who we are to him. who he is to us and who we are to him is rooted in who made us and where we come from. God is only the creator when he creates. we can no more be separated from God than God can be separated from himself.

measuring God by a reality based in the fall of humanity only affords us so much sight. Jesus Christ showed us a better way, I don't know why one would want to forever dwell in views of lesser men, even those of john the baptist. john was not lesser but he was a type for a lesser revelation just as some of the prophets lived in a blinder time and yet saw much more than most of us see even though we have many advantages over them due to the time we live in and the physical coming of the Messiah as the new and eternal human. God does not hinder us. he is always telling us to see and to come. there is nothing to do but to run to him and to love him.

the highest revelation that I have ever received is that God loves me and I love God. this world is a perfect example of what not to be and do. it is a burden for all because they do not know the high calling of Jesus Christ. therefore all the day long mankind rots away in vanity and futility and others of the collective of humanity that desire relief fall into the pit as well. it is one giant pit because we don't believe God loves us and we don't believe we love God.

there is no greater hell than God not loving us and we not loving God. the hell described by the common sight of Christians is nothing compared to the hell of not loving God and not being loved by God. yet so many people are saturated with a view of God that is the most condemning thing that can possibly be imagined.

the only torments I truly suffer through are the ones of my own neglect of God. the suffering over love sickness to God is a completely different kind of suffering though. it is one of the highest blessings I have heard of and it delivers me from the suffering of my own neglect towards God. all I want is for every spec of dust to be gone from me, all I want is to be fully his. all I want is his love and to love him. to be together... God is the only one we can properly love with no restraint, he demands that we love him with all that we are and he demands that in great love for us. there is no higher thing than to love him who loves me, this is why i exist and it is the only reason i want to exist. i'm not counting his children out at all but if I love his children by anything less than he I have failed the first command and thus not truly kept the one like unto it. I don't want to be found an idolater or an adulterer, I just want my beloved and that means loving everyone with him rather than loving everyone of myself.... for all of me belongs to him and no one else. loving everyone in God is the only way to love people correctly. God demands we love his children perfectly with him, that he love them through us. every single love that someone loves me with is Gods love for me, if it is not then I am already found to be a drunken harlot. Gods children need no less than Gods love, no other love will do.

Jesus Christ asked his Father 'why did he forsake him' because Jesus Christ never stopped loving his Father and instead of asking those human beings who forsook him "why did they forsake him" he rather loved those who forsook him like he loves his Father. who better to ask "why did you forsake me" than to the one you love the most? who better to cry out and ask for help to.... your murderers or the one who loves you the most? in complete innocence he asked his Father "why did you forsake me?"

this world becomes more intimate based on the intimacy I have with God. sometimes I find it hard to believe if I truly am in the same world I was born in or if it is a different one crafted specially by God to me. i stand amazed, wondering if I am dead... how many times I have died... if I am in purgatory... or in some place in heaven... but it does not matter because God and I are together and that is all that matters.
 
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We cannot ... just as we cannot separate our process from the process God will forever continually be going through as the truth of himself in us.

There is no end to the entering into this kingdom as a perception we live in, for to those who are entering it is always beginning.

it is true that no matter how right something might seem to us, even if before we were doing what God desired of us we can not turn his bread into an lifeless idol. as Jesus tells us:

Matt 6:33-34 (YLT)
but seek ye first the reign of God and His righteousness, and all these shall be added to you. Be not therefore anxious for the morrow, for the morrow shall be anxious for its own things; sufficient for the day is the evil of it.


"give us this day our daily bread" and yet does he not call us up higher? 'man shall not live by bread alone' and yet what other glories does God speak about?

Ps 114:1-8 (YLT)
In the going out of Israel from Egypt, The house of Jacob from a strange people, Judah became His sanctuary, Israel his dominion. The sea hath seen, and fleeth, The Jordan turneth backward. The mountains have skipped as rams, Heights as sons of a flock. What--to thee, O sea, that thou fleest? O Jordan, thou turnest back! O mountains, ye skip as rams! O heights, as sons of a flock! From before the Lord be afraid, O earth, From before the God of Jacob, He is turning the rock to a pool of waters, The flint to a fountain of waters!


the God of Jacob is the third in the "the God of Abraham, the God of Issac, the God of Jacob."

if Abraham is true and powerful spiritual faith in God then maybe it follows the pattern of three in that Issac is true hope and that Jacob is true love. but truly he is one God. he is God of all the nations. what are nations to God? they are done away with for love does not need to form nations one from the other. in paradise there are no nations. in our death God loves us and we are made alive, how much greater are the things he will forever give to us that so far transcend the symbolic reflections of this reality? and the invisible is but a thing to go up higher to him for he calls us forever... in our life we are free and so the grace of God abounds all the more. so much better to be in God than in the world.


I did not even like German before this. the beautiful truths in this make it endure forever:

youtube.com/watch?v=T98JRbv1UV4
 
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when I sat at the feet of Jesus I counted and he had 10 toes.

if we only delight in that which is delightful then how shall we find the beautiful delight that is in our struggles? may we walk with God in the darkest places that there may be light there. let everything be an occasion to love and dwell with God. what appears outwardly as slavery and oppression is inwardly a chance to kindle the sparks of love and to be burnt up and melted with him in all things. there are some hard trials, very hard things evil people do to one another in this world but may the grace of God all the more abound in his great and everlasting fire, may we sink forever more into his heart and be comforted with the only true and real comfort that he alone can give.

if I ever made a physical church place I would be doing weird things like playing strange seemingly non-religious music that in reality are very spiritual.

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The same truth is found in the reality that God creates light and creates darkness, even though they are the same to him.

Every word that comes from God (though it be Life (and is as a seed that falls to the ground (which in picture is our soul) brings one to a desolation which destroys in our perception the image we have turned the very same word into, which found its defining in the knowledge (good and evil) of our own reasoning based on this same image that came from without us (which is the process of seed time and harvest as long as the duality of self still exists in us as a perception we live in).

Jesus was The Example of one who did not add to it or take away from it, so the word never became an adversary to him.
 
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God put us to sleep so as to formulate from our side that which is from Him that is His replicate of the church. for if He hadn't put us to sleep we would have continued to be alone as a grain of wheat that had never fallen to the ground, never having burst forth into life, but would have remained dead. the lap of the evil one can seem to be where we're lulled to sleep but within the confines of that embrase God works almost subconsciously to mold and remake thru the circumstances of the sleepwalk that is this life to bring about an awakening, thru the layers of REM until finally we can stand before Him, not as one who prefers the darkness of night but as one who is seeing the morning Sun shining upon us.
 
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why should we not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? why does no one ask God WHY when he commands us this or that? do we not care WHY? are we so concerned with offending him that we refuse to ask him as an innocent child? or is it that the beloved bride of his does not care but only obeys? or maybe the serpent is busy being destroyed and thus it can't concern itself with caring. anyways... all three are valid ways of loving God.

O yeah... he told us that we shall surly die in the day we eat of it. after a while of getting bitten by venomous snakes you start to develop an immunity to it. if I ate the fruit of the tree now I see two lights. the papaya trees fruit if not ripe can cause a woman to have an miscarriage but you can eat it fine when it is ripe.

non-being is not appealing and it tortures the innocent soul. ah the escape from hell... that is a rush. sadly... in blindness this tree is pretty terrible. evil is so disgusting.

the animal nature of humanity is a product of the fall. spirit fell into a form of necessity, into vanity, into a prison.

Jesus Christ gave evil a meaning and a purpose. that is bad news for vanity because vanity is not supposed to have a purpose.
 
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Jesus Christ gave evil a meaning and a purpose. that is bad news for vanity because vanity is not supposed to have a purpose.

I love this ... vanity has a purpose ... like all things God, this truth just keeps growing ...

When we learn to labor for nothing it becomes a place of the overflowing of abundance, where the anti of yields briers and thorns, and sorrow, and the sweat of the brow, not yielding of it's increase to the same end vanity brings us to.
 
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i don't know anyone that can get rid of their imagination when it comes to trying to learn about God. all imagination is to me is the same thing that human logic is. we live in a world of images. if a word is spoken then it is already subject to contemplation. i guess it has something to do with the infinitude of God and the process of growing that we go through.

I don't think it is possible to separate imagination from the soul. the common idea of 'imagination' that many have is a definition that does not include their own reasoning ability. I don't see much of a difference between "imagination" and "perception". people imagine imagination to be a part of their mind that has nothing to do with God at all even though he tells us to love him with all that we are. i'm speaking blindly right now because I don't understand other peoples reasoning processes nor the languages they speak in. I know that in so many of our hearts, going deeper inside, there is a hurting person in there even if they never show much pain outwardly...

all day long I see peoples perceptions of others be it true or not ( how could one even tell what is in anothers heart and total reasoning ability and all things in them that makes them see what they see? ) and in my suffering I sometimes go through constant evil thoughts that I want nothing to do with... so many negative judgments and evils about others going through my mind that i don't want nor believe. it makes me wonder how much people are just running on "automatic" and how much I myself still do that. if this is part of what i am... i seek to replace all those automatic things with loving God which is a very hard thing to fully transform. i understand that some who have taken no thought for so long claim they don't react so much with thoughts anymore but I still see in even people who claim to be meditation masters their soul working. the soul is not ever going to be snuffed out because that is not Gods will.
 
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