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(Speaking both spiritually and physically) The moment something is seen to us it is set in space-time as a convergence in the form of thought (whether the product of something outside of us, or something in us), and the journey that couples itself with consciousness is made up of multiple of these moments as we by it warp the very fabric of time around us.

(Speaking in the context of consciousness and words) Dimensional space is the concept of what we would consider (by analogy) to be higher forms of intelligence (or something not bound but yet tied to other dimensions (one cannot exist without two, two cannot exist without one, or a third), or what understanding of self is based on; it is not enough to see it (or to simply know it must be there), you must live in it, as it being relative to who you are; the same thing applies to self as it applies to the language of God (found in all things), it interprets, or defines itself.
 
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Peter hearkened unto his wife, in his confrontation with Jesus (which made him an adversary to him) over going to a cross, just as Abram hearkened unto his wife which brought forth an Ishmael (who became an adversary, or opposite of a mother and son born of promise), or in respect to Adam and his wife, a Cain, or Jacob and his wife which brought forth a Dan, or when John the Baptist questioned his cousin, when thrown in jail asking of him, if he was the one all were looking for, or Nebuchadnezzar whose wife birthed a golden image. These and all scenarios like this are reflected in what it means for the head of prophecy to be cut off, to us not being a truth to gain, or to come, but one that is a present truth found in us.

We are the express image of the person of God, ones who have the testimony of Jesus Christ as the Word that is God.
 
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The keys that are seen in the tree (of knowledge) were taken rather than being as something given, which is why both good and evil as the duality of self is a rest unto death (and why a cross relates to a tree one is hung on). It was an in the day you eat, as opposed to where John finds himself who was not in man's day, but on the Lord's day (seventh as opposed to the sixth (which is the day of a double portion found in the wilderness, which relates to the feast of Pentecost/50 when it is not the year of Jubilee/50).

One's eye cannot be dual, but single, which Jesus spoke of in different forms as something that pertained to the kingdom of God which was what he preached, which is our soul.
 
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Despite the fact that we can perceive a duality, we are not of it

just like:

We can perceive contrast but we are not a contrast

or

We can perceive conflict but we are not of it

The serpent in the garden is that which can be perceived but we are not of

In short, we are in the world but we are not of it
 
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Despite the fact that we can perceive a duality, we are not of it

just like:

We can perceive contrast but we are not a contrast

or

We can perceive conflict but we are not of it

The serpent in the garden is that which can be perceived but we are not of

In short, we are in the world but we are not of it

Excellent ...
 
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I was asked a question (by a dear friend) and I thought I would place the prelude to the answer to his question here, and eventually (some of) the answer (even though this is an ever expanding truth).

I forget things all the time, but they are not something lost to me, as they are not as something separate from self. (knowing that it is self all things testify of just as it is self that opens these truths to us (us in reference to soul who labors for nothing); in this our mind becomes to us one who will summon up the word of a dead prophet (which becomes a Passover (Saul) and slays the son (Johnathan) a type of 1st and 8th son (just as the spirit that is cast out is 1st and then brings seven back with him, becoming the eighth)( as the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven) (in sevens think week and the building of a son (which are of the feasts in the same manner) though the seven sons hanged were of a bondwoman) which is the same as seen in casting yourself down that you might be born up by an angle/messenger/or a message, or a word, because what becomes lost or dead to our soul is the self that we are.
 
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Consciousness seeds itself just as nature seeds itself.

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Our soul can become use to anything as being normal, being conditioned by what our five senses give to us. To be born again is to be born a second time, birthed into a different world, new/knew, one that is past what we see outside of us, it to conditions the soul as to what is normal, which is an entering into it as a place where you have always lived.
 
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(Some words written to my daughter)

The world (so to speak) of frequency/oscillation and its effects are just as viable in consciousness as they are to matter (in one view), think how states of matter are effected by frequency/ a wave length (spiritually think of a wave length as hills and valleys found in the journey, and the law time/distance (peak to peak, valley to valley) is to us), it permeates everything that we have thus found about the universe we live in (considering that our bodies (and all things really) in a sense), are in a liquid state), it orders matter (a frequency identifying the quantum of energy that (let’s say a photon) something carries, like a signature, the same way it orders consciousness (speaking of soul), knowing that everything testifies of us even as we are the definers of it, which is the reality of God as the truth of self-walking in us.

To eat (only) that which grows of itself, is the same truth of a well in us that springs up unto eternal life; it is the knowledge of this life (which like knowledge is not separate from self, as spirit is not separate from soul) that becomes our present truth of it.
 
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(Some words written to my daughter)

The world (so to speak) of frequency/oscillation and its effects are just as viable in consciousness as they are to matter (in one view), think how states of matter are effected by frequency/ a wave length (spiritually think of a wave length as hills and valleys found in the journey, and the law time/distance (peak to peak, valley to valley) is to us), it permeates everything that we have thus found about the universe we live in (considering that our bodies (and all things really) in a sense), are in a liquid state), it orders matter (a frequency identifying the quantum of energy that (let’s say a photon) something carries, like a signature, the same way it orders consciousness (speaking of soul), knowing that everything testifies of us even as we are the definers of it, which is the reality of God as the truth of self-walking in us.

To eat (only) that which grows of itself, is the same truth of a well in us that springs up unto eternal life; it is the knowledge of this life (which like knowledge is not separate from self, as spirit is not separate from soul) that becomes our present truth of it.

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So it's like the low high points hills an valleys that break us an lead us into deeper understanding?... But it's more than just that though isn't it? Like there is this permeation. But there's more. There must be more. There always is. It always goes deeper. Further. Forever.... So the quantum of energy or the photon... that's like the constant essence within us? It makes up all things an all things are made up of it. But it goes deeper than that doesn't it? It's like the question "Well if it makes up everythin... what makes up it?" Or...? But that just goes further an further right? Internal Infinity? The Eternal Essence? A Constant Essence?... An that's somethin we can't see or understand without dyin to ourselves? To our image? Isn't it? Maybe or...?... Yeah... I understand. I see.... Ha. I see. Haha. :)....... I understand that there is no difference between knowledge an self. No separation between the two. But.... We just perceive that there is...? Cause it's like "How could I actually know it if I haven't experienced it?" But at the same time it's internal. It's in us. Our essence. They're not separate. So it's just our soul questioning if we actually really know it or not... or...?

And on a second note. I understand why outlets "don't work." Ya don't even.... But. Anyway. Your soul thinks that that's the only way ta enter in. Cause when ya cut or watch movies or whatever. Listen ta music. Anythin. Ya loose all thought. Chya come inta the place ya never hafta leave. The state of being beyond thought. An then your soul thinks "That's it. That's what I gotta do ta get there. Ta feel like that." As if it's somethin ya hafta attain. But it's not. It's in you. It's part of you. It's who you really are. An that's why they "stop workin." Cause ya don't really need em. Outlets. In the first place. An then your soul desires that same feeling that it thinks it can't get without that outlet. But the outlet. The image. It doesn't produce the same feelin every time. Cause your soul's laborin for it. An. Tada. Tolerance. So ya switch. But.... You don't even need it in the first place.... It's already yours. You don't need it.... It's in you. Haha. :)........ Sorry. Maybe that wasn't really necessarily connected. But I understood that in the bathroom this mornin before I showered. An.... It's funny.... I think parta the reason I take so long in the shower was cause it was an outlet. An area where my soul was like "Hey. I do a lotta good thinkin in there. So... why not just stay in there forever?" Haha.... Funny.... Isn't it? :)

I remember I had read a little short story junior year about a smart college guy or somethin who liked a really pretty girl. But she wasn't "smart enough" ta being around the smart community. Ya know the people he hung around with basically. So he decided he'd teach her fallacies so she'd be smart. Cause fallacies are smart. An she thought it was fun. Almost like a game. But she enjoyed it. So after a while. Like I think a couple months or so. I don't really remember. But after she finally started gettin it an he was no longer kinda frustrated cause she wasn't gettin it ya know? But. So after a while he really liked her. An he'd try ta tell her ya know like beautiful ways ta say that he loved her or whatever ya know? But every thing he told her she said was a fallacy. Like everythin. She was like "It's a fallacy, because blah blah blah." An she was just doin what he'd trained her ta do. An he wasn't happy....... Ya probably already see what I'm gonna ask or whatever. But.... It's a picture of our soul isn't it? But....
 
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(my reply back a few moments ago)

Once you see it, you see it everywhere, in everything; a journey there and back again our soul takes us on.

The soul does what it does regardless of the seed that is planted, that's why it says in Genesis that (basically) the seed (which word in scripture is also likened in one form as water (your waters), which word literally means sperm, or seed) of the woman, will over come the seed of a serpent, or the truth outside of self, it was (in picture) Jesus' have I not chose you twelve (twelve Hours in a day), and one of you are a devil ... like one tree to not eat of out of all the trees ... the chosen one becomes the thing that brings us to a cross where you find a city that comes down from God out of heaven, and all of it in you.
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... from the place where one can see the vanity of the snare.


I always thought that debate was mostly useless because it never changes anyone's opinion, and debate is a work of the flesh that does not bear fruit. Paul says that division, strife, and debate, are workings of the flesh. It seems futile anyway, i have yet to see anyone who debates scripture change their mind about anything. They instead debate the same things, year after year, and no change comes from either side. It's the same with both religion and politics, its all futile.

Proverbs 17:1 Better a dry crust with peace and quiet
than a house full of feasting, with strife.

24 A discerning person keeps wisdom in view,
but a fool’s eyes wander to the ends of the earth.
 
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In the same manner, a cross picked up is the end of all strife in one's self (no matter what form), the end of debate is the futility of it.

Well, whatever the cross is, in all its fullness, according to my own necessity, may the Lord help me bear it.
 
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