Thoughts ...

Restoresmysoul said:

I don't think that the cross alone is the wisdom of God although it certainly is Gods wisdom. Jesus said whoever keeps his commands will be considered a wise man, and this would include the apostles commands as well. Paul says that we should not walk around like fools but we should instead walk in wisdom and understand what the will of the Lord is.

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A cross is where the wisdom of God to us begins.

Restoresmysoul said:

Jesus was accused of being crazy and of being demon possessed. likewise i think perhaps many of the prophets were accused of the same. God didn't like to call noble and respected men to preach the Word it seems. He liked to call foolish things to shame the wise. He instructed Ezekiel to walk the streets naked for three years. He also asked him to eat bread baked using human dung as fuel. I'm sure John the baptist seemed crazy too, he lived in the wilderness and ate insects. I suppose that if those men could live that way then i can handle whatever my lot is in life. Praise the Lord.[c]

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I love the verse that says that when his friends heard that he (Jesus) had said no one knew where he came from that they went to get him because they thought he had lost it ... in reality the same as it was for Jesus is the same that it is for us, it is the same for everyone born of the spirit even if they have not come to any depth of understanding of this yet makes it no less true, just as if someone does not believe God exists makes him no less the truth. When I use to hold a license I can't tell you how many times ones with a license pulled me aside to persuade me not to enter (though unbeknownst to them I already had).

It only seems like he chooses the things that are not to confound the things that are (which is simply a mindset (God is not partial in anything that he does, though it may appear as this from where we are at in the journey), or the poor rich in faith (easier for the camel then the rich man). Our intellect is like a menstruous woman, and our thoughts a covering likened to a menstruous cloth which are pictures of truth that relate to the process happening in each individual (gender not being an issue).

Isaiah was the (three years) naked dude, Hosea was told to take a harlot for a wife (which almost seems to fly in the face of Paul's unequally yoked).

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

toLiJC said:

i did not say 'reduction', but 'reeducation' (in case you meant my previous post), but i talked about the spiritual iniquity that is the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, because it is the cause of all other iniquities/evils, that is why God punished the occultists and idolaters among the then egyptians with those ten plagues, because it is related to the so-called ten high levels and chakras of the occultism on which the idolatry is based, for there are 7 main occult(iniquitous) areas and chakras, 10 high, and two upmost (the 11th and the 12th) - a total of 12 as a whole which are the heads and (the) horns of the dragon, the beast, and the other beast in Revelation 12, 13 and 17, and because there was a very great spiritual iniquity of high degree in then egypt i.e. that touched even the high levels/chakras, God turned out like compelled to destroy all their spiritual/religious system of iniquity together with all its levels (a total of 10 at least) - by one plague for each area and chakra, and such is now the creed of the so-called yoga and hinduism, same as the creed whereby the devil enticed eve and adam making them become occultists and idolaters such as the hitherto existing yogis(transcendental meditators) and hindus

Blessings

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God's reeducation program "For the LORD had said of them, They shall surely die in the wilderness. And there was not left a man of them, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun."

A conversation ...

Dialogue 1

We must all begin ... to understand that Jesus' nakedness was revealed with the words (in/from his soul that came out of his mouth/let there be light/they became a pit) Father why hast thou forsaken me. The law of his mother put him there on the cross, a process that played out before him through the words of God who being ignorant of this life were keeping the law of their mother, but it was Inn (pun intended) Truth the willing sacrifice that he was put him there, to confess the death or lie or sin or evil our Father had become to us, to restore us to this truth of one. NO SHADOW OF TURNING.

Have you looked upon whom you have pierced yet ... you will not reveal another ones nakedness if you do ...

It's beginning, the process unto life ...

Dialogue 2

I couldn't agree more... I didn't see the nakedness part until now, but it fits once we put all the things together that we have talked about in the past.
If one looks at Jesus hanging on the Cross, we see a darkness coming over the land at the SIXTH hour. The darkness reveals the feminine. As I have said before there is no judgement of sin in the realm of the masculine but only in the realm of the feminine. The question is not "Did Jesus ever committed any sin or not." He never left the realm of the masculine, there is no sin in that realm, only the realm of the feminine, where we have been drawn into by the church system. When it became darkness throughout the land for about three hours, at the end of this time Jesus cried out "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me."

His Words cast Him down into the realm of the feminine and as you have written in your email His Words revealed His nakedness... He died...

Jesus revealed the path of being drawn into the masculine away from the feminine...
In the beginning we see all things being drawn into the feminine.

Let there be light...

Adam's rib reveals the path to the woman...

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil... Eve

All things lead from the beginning "Let there be light" to Christ... The realm of the feminine killed Him. His path reveals the masculine. (At present I don't know what realm He was raised from the dead into)

Jesus opens a door, with the key of David and submits Himself to the realm of the feminine and dies... He crosses the river Jordan (spiritually speaking) two thousand cubits before us, but not before we put our TWELVE memorial stones on the other side of the Jordan as well as in the midst of the Jordan... These stones keep the feminine alive. Those who only see Jesus Christ from the midst of the church system can only see a perception of truth from the revealing of the twelve memorial stones. This is the realm of the feminine.

However when the Spirit of Truth comes, "HE" will show you all things... God is calling us back into the realm of the masculine.

Dialogue 3 (referring to previous one’s)

Been reading this over and over. The Lord is speaking about this to me further, masculine and feminine. I wanted to ask about the “seeing” of it. What I glean so far is, What symbolism is dominant, that is the masculine. A mountain and a hill being masculine and feminine. On day 6, having made man male and female and giving them dominion, this is masculine thus they were not separate but One.

Just to run a few by you, a rocks and stones are masculine, bricks are feminine.
Trees are masculine and the bush is feminine.
North/east is masculine and south/west is feminine.
Up is masculine and down is feminine.

I didn’t mention those you and Craig have made clear. I am just now being brought into this. It looks like to me the master revealing of all things. The interesting thing is there are no verses that literally speak to this. Your thoughts would be very appreciated.

Dialogue 4

It is (the master revealing of all things, and which the word that is God divides as the process of coming to the truth of self in all things) … we live in the feminine, but the feminine is enclosed, and we are learning to enclose ours so that all things appear/manifest as this life we are in, and the life that is in us, which is the life/truth we are. The masculine, like the feminine come in two forms which relate to the elder younger, or the two forties, or weeks/years/etc. which both break down to what these are in picture in relationship to process as to why they are with or without sin. Moses’ first coming down and what played out concerning this is the masculine, and can be seen with Thomas (touch me) or Abraham when he laughed, or David when he ate the shewbread, or the stipulations (that were to be kept) concerning the numbering of the people (that speak to the cross as the wisdom that causes the numbering to be acceptable (not only to God, but to us (or put another way a table not filled with thorns and thistles) which is the measurement of the son that we are.

These words hold a tremendous amount of truth (which is surly and understatement) in the light of the first reference to this word Number as something that happened in the second week (which was the first week from a different place of seeing, just as the law became/etc.) “And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.” (which there is both the masculine and feminine view of as to what this is in relationship to us, or one with sin, or one without sin).

Adam’s, like God’s garden was enclosed, but in order to proliferate there had to be a death, or separation (which God causes, but yet not God) which there is both the masculine and feminine of. Notice the two depictions of man (which is the depiction of what tree is in the midst of the garden), the first being without hands. The first garden was planted in his eternal pleasure, whereas the second depiction shows the man made with hands and the why as being there was no one to tend or keep this garden (as if it had any need to be tended or kept (being God’s).

A mountain can be both, the revealing of nakedness (in the feminine) or life in the masculine. Just as keeping the law can be this. In one form the words Adam names everything is sin (case in point Eve), in another form it is without sin (woman).

When something comes out of something it is feminine in relationship to what it has come out of, in like manner, what then comes out of the feminine is the image to this feminine of what it had come out of (the image being the seed, whatever seed this may be (wheat/tare).

The first man was feminine to God, the second man feminine to us, the first river was masculine the second was feminine, the first kingdom (Adam’s perception of self), the second feminine (Levitical), the first birth a son, the second a maid, from Adam’s 2nd comes a maid (Cain) of which Abel is the masculine of, a first heaven and earth (a type of Adam before light was called out) and the process that enclosed the garden or new heaven and earth again, or an end that was a beginning that became an end again according to coming to the understanding of his eternal pleasure (masculine), or pleasure of his will (feminine) which is the son he has pleasure in, (as an abiding place forever (Judah as both genders that is a mountain (But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved (this is my beloved son) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, bride adorned for her husband), simply because he has desired it, and so it is.

If we are the revealing of God’s nakedness, what is the revealing of our Father’s nakedness to us …

These things cannot be separated from what this truth of God as our Father is to us, it is the seeming chaos of no absolute that is the abyss, but it is the same place as is the deep unto deep, where light is called out of as the feminine, being the light of understanding, as the process is seen in the very cycles of the earth, with its sun/father, moon/mother, and stars/brethren, (God appearing as the masculine and therefore from the place of no sin (not just good, but very good, which I won’t go into).

In some ways (cross) I do not let anything appear to me as only one thing not willing to build an image out of truth, it is a choice to remain desolate which has become the sweet place, or the place of abiding as being one in the same.

Duality from the masculine is a wisdom that leads to knowledge that brings understanding of self as we relate to all things, even as God relates to all things through us, from the feminine as the light that is darkness.

Without opposites nothing happens, self does not become the absolute.

Restoresmysoul said:

Yes but this cannot be talking about marriage because paul says its ok to stay with an unbelieving husband/wife, but the scripture you posted commands us to be separate from unbelievers which would contradict Paul's teaching on marriage.


1 Corinthians 7:13-15New International Version (NIV)
13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.


2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

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Hosea wasn't married to her until he married her that was a harlot.

Restoresmysoul said:

I guess God wanted to show how much the Jewish people grieved Him and how much He still loved them. I think He compared it to being married to an unfaithful wife, even a prostitute.

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This is why I used the word seemingly in describing the conflict. It's not about one being right or wrong (which only serves as a distraction), but our relationship individually with the one from whom all blessings flow.

toLiJC said:

yes, unfortunately many of them had not continued in His Covenant, and therefore they were not able to become and be true priests like Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, because they had not labored enough so that they could become and be true priests

Blessings

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... which included Moses (who labored more than the rest, and saw his acts, new his ways, but still did not enter, but was only afforded to see it (which is similar to the phrase born again (Moses seeing the promise) as opposed to being born of water and of spirit as being linked with entering into the promise/kingdom).

toLiJC said:

Moses has inherited the much greater kingdom, namely the Heavenly, having been resurrected while many others died or remained in graves(including Saints physically born and lived in the time before the New Testament)

Luke 9:28-33 "he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.",

John 6:49 "Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.",

Matthew 27:50-53 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

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The kingdom was granted in the beginning, in the form of the life in us; God held nothing back, through our reasoning we hold God back, which is the same as opposing yourself.

Moses was a picture of a truth to us (in ways I have not found the end to yet, and don't expect to (of the process in us) even as Jesus was, or Mary, or why you see three Mary's at the cross, or why the spirit drove Jesus back into the wilderness immediately after the words, This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased (which (as Jesus said) was the fulfilling of all righteousness), or why the raven goes to and fro (Paul's language concerning a roaring lion) until all the waters of the floods were dried up off the earth (etc.). It is a continuous narrative or river that flows from one, and then flows back again into one, of which the rivers that run into the sea (confusion), and then return to where they came from are one of the (earthly) pictures of.

Moses entered into the truth of what the land was symbolic of, no man knowing where he was buried, is the same as saying no man knoweth the Father but the son, or the one who is carnally minded cannot know the things of God, or discern them.

Sin is a perception based on lack; one who is born of God cannot sin.

Past duality is only begotten; the abyss is the point of reference.