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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Mizm, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. Kelly McArthur

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    Here's what I found on the sites, I'm sure everyone is going to be okay.

    According to the National Institutes of Health’s Office of Dietary Supplements, healthy adult men should generally consume 400 to 420 milligrams (mg) of magnesium daily. Healthy adult women should consume 310 to 320 mg daily. Pregnant women require a higher dose than women who aren’t pregnant.

    If you take supplemental magnesium, the most you should ingest is 350 mg daily. However, magnesium may be prescribed to prevent migraine headaches, with a daily dosage of more than 350 mg a day. These dosages should only be taken with medical supervision.

    Fish oil provides a rich source of essential nutrients, particularly omega-3 fatty acids, as well as the fat-soluble vitamins A and D. It promotes cardiovascular health, reduces inflammation, fights depression, promotes cognitive function and reduces menstrual pain, according to the University of Maryland Medical Center.

    While the Institute of Medicine has not set an upper tolerable limit for omega-3 fatty acids, you should avoid taking too much fish oil to prevent side effects.
     
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  2. blackribbon

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    I was only stating facts. There is nothing mean or angry about stating facts. I was bothered enough to respond because you were posting information that could be dangerous to certain people. No supplement is universally safe.
     
  3. Paulus59

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    I would stay away from the weed as that will lead you down a dark path. I have seen so many people - myself included - seduced by weed thinking it is harmless and can help you deal with mental issues only to find you end up with full-blown psychosis or at the lease unable to function in society. I have seen so many people's lives ruined by weed. It messes your head up, not only that, but the spiritual ramifications of using weed will prevent you from growing & maturing spiritually. I know anxiety is bad, I have been there myself, but try to find a natural treatment and most importantly deal with the spiritual issues in your life that produce stress.

    Some people have found relief from anxiety through folinic which is a certain type of folic acid (B9), taken in combination with vitamin B12. Also try 5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) which is another natural supplement may help.

    I don't want to sound like a doctor or lecture you, but pray for God's guidance on this!
     
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  4. Kenny'sID

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    I think considering it a mere "high" is a little demeaning to those it can and does help tremendously, but it's not just you, seen the attitude before, but it's not about that. Anything that cures, or masks in this case can be considered a high. Actually I felt absolutely "high" when I would wake up with no migraine, after a day or two in bad shape. I wanted to get up in the middle of the night, just to exist for a bit without torturous pain, I was high just feeling normal, and on nothing.

    But then we get the "sure buddy has nothing to do with the high ;)". I guess I'm trying to say there is an unfair underlying prejudice there that is not always justified when it come to narcotics.

    As to it being dangerous. Aren't some antidepressants dangerous? Don't some of those change our chemistry/have bad side affects and even get us what one could easily consider "high"? You may be interested in the fact I've not noticed a thing in that area, as long as things are maintained properly. But then "I wouldn't notice because I'm/you're in denial", or I wouldn't notice "because I'm/you're high" :), when none of that is necessarily true, but exactly how the thinking goes sometimes. We've been conditioned to believe certain things. I should add I don't mean people that are trying to adjust to high doses but people that already are. Also once a person is dependent for good reason, if it's not maintained properly, that can very well be dangerous. But so goes many drugs and I'd guess, some worse than narcotics.

    A few points there but another is...people take the words of other people none of which have been there, on the details involved with narcotics and it's not always true. Sometimes the role is actually reversed and the DR's are deluded. But the more people are around people the better the education in that area.

    As far as being operated on by say a narcotics user, and if I had no other choice, the first thing I'd ask him is, if he's had his fix? If not he needs to shoot up before he touches me. The average person would see that as crazy, if that helps make my point of how people think. You probably understand that.

    I still assume some have no idea when it comes to first hand experience but sure, it can happen. And though I would not wish depression on anyone, it can be a good thing to have it happen to someone in the medical field, puts them in an excellent position to teach. And I am talking clinical long term depression where one doesn't want to move form the bed/leave the house and can just barely take care of themselves/would likely lose their job type thing. Might as well be dead type depression.
     
  5. Kenny'sID

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    I'll just touch on that quote since you clearly won't see my depression isn't cause by the pain. That's how you are conditioned, and that's the way it is. I'm not faulting you either, but thought you might be interested in the input.

    Are you actually saying narcotics don't relieve depression? You word that in a funny way is why I ask. And please don't indicate "Sure, because it makes you high". As I have already stated so do antidepressant, and they all trick the brain as you call it, so it's just not a fair consideration.

    And All the doctors in the world can go to jail for prescribing narcotics for depression but that doesn't mean they don't relieve depression. It just means that not the way the medical field chooses to deal with it in the mainstream.
     
  6. Kenny'sID

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    The only thing I really disagree with there, Kelly, and it's minimal, is there are unaltered strains that can and will possibly do some of the things that concern you. And as far as I know genetically altered plants are still organic, but as I alluded to... doesn't matter

    Yeah, I get it, the very reason I quit 3 or 4 yrs ago and haven't so much as smelled it since. It's going to be made legal and even if it doesn't drive the majority of us nuts, it's going to put them in a state of well being, something that God, in my view want's to come naturally. IOW, he gave us a natural way of thinking and feeling and now wants to see how we act within those given bounds, so if we alter that with drugs it messes all that up, the process simply won't work properly.

    How fair would it be for me to be high all my life/make my life easier to deal with, even make it easier to get to heaven/obey God with drugs while everyone else has to rough it with a natural course. The natural course determines what we really are, the drug induced course cannot.

    Easy to "love thy neighbor" when we're buzzed on say extacy, but we need yo actually love our neighbor, and not with an unnatural drug induced "I'm so high, I love everyone" type love. :)

    If for no other reason, it's not fair at all and I assure everyone, we won't get away with it.
     
  7. GodIsGood22

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    After strolling through this thread I am astounded by some of the ignorance, although it should come as no surprise given it's ubiquity online these days. Anyhow, I felt compelled to share my thoughts on weed. Before I do, anyone that says "do weed" loses all credibility right out of the gate.

    I believe that rather than looking to people (who are also broken and fall short of the glory of God), we should look to Christ for answers to questions. The fact that you are here asking the question should at least be a subtle hint that the Lord may be working in you to show you something or to shape and prune you and your behavior. The Lord knows exactly what you need, and He has all of it. Thus, I could see it feasible that one individual may be called to stop smoking (given all of the factors relating to their life), and another may be allowed to remain in a season where they smoke weed without being convicted by the Spirit. I actually did a lot of my spiritual searching in college after smoking, and many nights I had revelations and thoughts that I would not have otherwise had.

    It's also comical to me to see the folks that mention the negative effects from the act of smoking. You can smoke pure THC (vapor) and it's actually very pure, no smoke from papers or blunts or burning of a flame. The point here however is that there's a good chance those same folks have bad eating habits, bad sleep habits, bad hydration, lack of exercise etc. If it's bad for your health is their best argument, that would also mean that binge eating, staying up late, not working out are also all in a similar category.

    To conclude - ask the Lord what He thinks of you smoking or ingesting marijuana in this season of your life. I have watched videos of those with Parkinson's before and after smoking and after that, anyone that makes the blanket statement smoking weed is bad is ill-informed, arrogant, and ignorant, and has most likely never smoked before nor do they know of the various methods of "using" marijuana. Back to the point (lol) - stay in consistent prayer. Get in the word - it will read you more than you read it. If your heart is truly open to seeking the Lord's will, He will show you. If you are not ready to hear either answer and accept it, you will only seek those who share the answer you want to hear, and will miss the Lord's hand in your life.

    For what it's worth, I smoked a lot in college and still smoke a few times a week. I am getting to a point where the Lord may be moving to remove it or decrease my use of it, but my plan is to pray and seek wisdom and rest in the fact that my salvation is not in jeopardy because Christ is my perfection, He knows my heart, and He will finish the good work He has started in me.
     
  8. Shempster

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    I have been following this thread for a while and it is interesting. I suppose that we are observing a sort of paradigm shift in a way. Ever since the 1920's when the plant was demonized, we were all conditioned to believe it is a dangerous drug. Before that it was common everywhere.
    But now that certain states are legalizing it, we are being forced to make a decision and ask a question: Is that plant dangerous or actually beneficial? Has the government been lying to us? If the answer is yes then that will lead us to wonder if they lie about anything else. So to save face they must keep it categorized as a drug with no medical use and a high potential for abuse. Curious to see how this all will all play out.
    Church leadership will have an issue too because they have been telling us for decades that weed is the Devil's lettuce.
     
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  9. Kelly McArthur

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    1. We are in the second coming of Christ; little children move straight the way with Jesus who learn to self correct their thoughts and actions with him through the power of the Holy Spirit. The ego in the mind works like a golem stealing the light within saying it's his own, knowing its precious; stories/parables are for us to know and understand.

    2. The organic body is the outer shell of true life - one grain of wheat planted and that seed bears fruit. The seed has to enter into darkness and put down good roots with wisdom & love. Drugs and alcohol are deceptions. God knows this is true.

    3. As little children, we know we are forgiven of this carnal nature we are born in. Through Jesus Christ we know eternal life has a period of separation that humbles and softens the outer to open naturally as we enter into darkness of the earth putting down roots with the Holy Spirit who rains with wisdom and love and our true inner self grows up through the earth and we see the true Son who is the Christ with the Father.

    If you've seen Jesus then you've seen the Father. You don't want to be premature, you want to be grounded. Drugs cause a premature birthing in the mind.

    4. H.S. is the soul's Comforter and Teacher in the darkness of this earth; She is wisdom putting down good roots from him as he promised we would not be alone in the earth while we grow. If one does drugs, there is a premature birthing and the mind is caught in the light without proper roots in him.
     
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  10. faroukfarouk

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    Hi; a lot of verses in John's Gospel show that Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together in love in blessing the believer that follows the Lord Jesus. Good to maintain a state of mind that allows us to consider and enjoy God's Word. :)
     
  11. Kenny'sID

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    Don't we all. Revelations, we enjoy our work more...so many things, just like we have more fun at parties if we drink a lot, or are sharper on cocaine/are stronger on steroids.

    "Everything's Better with Blue Bonnet On It."
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    This is going to go over like a led balloon but hey, might as well put it off as long as you can, but if you want my personal opinion, you're playing with fire, and maybe literally.

    All said in love, nothing more. :)
     
  12. Kelly McArthur

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    I agree, without the Father there's no word about the Son and without the Holy Spirit we wouldn't be One.

    Thanks for reminder.

    :greenheart:

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  13. faroukfarouk

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    John's First Epistle wonderfully takes up themes in John's Gospel such as the three Persons and walking in the light and fellowship.
     
  14. Kelly McArthur

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    We grow from darkness into light and mature going from the milk to the meat.
     
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  15. GodIsGood22

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    @Kenny'sID Hey man! Appreciate the honesty! Would you mind elaborating a bit for me on your views about why smoking weed is playing with fire? Of course I can name a few myself, but I just want to hear some views from others. I won't lie, it's very hard for me to give it up - my closest friends all smoke and it's a "thing" we like to do when we get together to hangout. Not trying to justify, just keeping it real!
     
  16. Kenny'sID

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    Fair enough.

    It's drugs/pharmakeia (if you have't already, you can look into that definition, and opinions on it on the net, and draw your own conclusion, but I'm sold) one might even consider it a potion. As far as I know, the only allowed social "drug" would be alcohol.

    I personally, after decades of trying to come up with reasons to make it OK in my mind, I could come up with nothing. When I say playing with fire in your case, I mean it's one of those things that, IMO, can and will send us to hell (hope you are still happy with my honesty. :) ) and waiting as you are for the right time to mayby quit, could cost you dearly.

    I personally was always on edge there at the last before I finally quit...convicted? I think so, but the only way I could feel safe was to stop, and that's a fact.
     
  17. GodIsGood22

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    @Kenny'sID also fair. Interesting what you said about going to hell though, perhaps we have very different views of theology and salvation. For me, my salvation will not ever be in question because of the sin that I struggle with. I am, and will always be, a sinner. It is through faith in Christ alone that I am made righteous before God and God will view me as perfect and holy because when He looks at me He sees Christ. So just because I struggle with this particular sin, does not mean I lose my salvation. Salvation was never mine to earn, nor is it mine to lose. It was a gift freely given to me, and one that the Lord will not revoke. So while I agree fully that willfull sinning is not something to be trifled with, and should be prayed through, I have never doubted and will never doubt my salvation because I am living each day to continually become more like Christ while knowing full-well I will never be perfect nor even close!
     
  18. Kenny'sID

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    Yes, we have very different views, and there are several threads here on those opposing views. We all choose how to see the bible for whatever reason, and without getting into another debate here on a thread where it would be considered off topic, you have an idea what my views are, the narrow way.
     
  19. Kelly McArthur

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    Sounds like you're doing time with weed; best to cut the ties that blind and show another way to get high with roots, grow in our Lord and know in your heart Jesus loves you, don't you know this by now? Do you think he wants you mucking around with your brains' dopamine and serotonin? Jesus wants you straight for the way ahead. If you have a hard time quitting weed you're with the wrong friends. :blueheart: Just do it; go straight with him and see how everyone else looks for a change. M
     
  20. GodIsGood22

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    @Kenny'sID I'd like to hear more about how you formed your views (the narrow way). I am always open to learning and hearing other viewpoints and I'd like to understand why you believe what you believe! Maybe you can direct me to a thread or PM me?
     
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