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Those against abortion, have you adopted?

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by High Fidelity, May 21, 2019.

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    And I've taught it no need to be defensive.
     
  2. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    If you advise someone to leave an abusive husband but you're not willing to provide for them the logic espoused here means you are not allowed to help then.

    Also if you are not willing to provide someone an income by this logic you can not oppose freeing them from slavery even though it's horrible because they are fed.

    It's the exact same thing as saying if you're not willing to take care of the child by adopting her you cannot oppose killing her.
     
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  3. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    I will certainly defend myself against unwarranted condescension.
     
  4. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    And I'll defend myself against empty criticism.
     
  5. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    But if you felt I was condescending I do apologize. It was not my intent.
     
  6. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    Since when do husbands provide for their wives? It’s 2019. I make more $$ than my husband.

    Freed slaves became employed laborers. (At least the ones who were actually freed.) The crops still needed to be attended.

    Nevertheless, I understand your principle and am really only saying I disagree with your specific examples. So I’ll agree with your premise, now that I understand what it is.
     
  7. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that, apology accepted.
     
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  8. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I'm a stay-at-home dad who works overnight and takes care of the kids in the day and my wife makes much more than me so I wasn't trying to say a man needs to provide for a woman. Spouses are a team.

    In the point of the thread you are taking the place of the parent so in the analogy taking the place of the spouse. I wasn't trying to say anything else.
     
  9. Light of the East

    Light of the East Orthodox Inquirer Supporter

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    Because I didn't have been $10 and $20 THOUSAND dollars to pay some stinking greedy lawyer!!
     
  10. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I think no matter where people fall on the pro-life pro-choice side of this we can all agree the adoption system needs to be reformed.
     
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  11. R. Genevieve

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    I haven't. The only reason I haven't is because I am an unmarried college student who is not in the financial situation to do so. I have every intention of adopting as soon as I am able to do so.

    With that said, I don't think someone should necessarily have to adopt in order to believe abortion is morally wrong.
    1. There are other ways to support children and pregnant women aside from adoption. (i. e., working at a women's health clinic that provides prenatal care and medical care more generally to families in need, sheltering pregnant women who are getting out of abusive situations, etc.)
    2. I can believe Nazism is wrong and not personally have fought (or even encountered) a Nazi. I can believe beating someone up for their religious beliefs is wrong without having personally rescued someone being physically attacked for their beliefs. I do not think abortion is much different.
     
  12. Hammster

    Hammster Who has believed our report? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I’ve adopted two children. Didn’t cost a dime.
     
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    So the father has a choice in the matter now?

    Edit: I will add that the man is probably the most innocent person, other than the unborn, because they have absolutely no choice in the matter. It is entirely up to the woman and the doctors to decide...right? So what does the man have to do with anything?
     
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  14. Fantine

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    As is the man who seduces her? Surely you don't believe that a woman is solely responsible for your crude term for sexual relations.
     
  15. Danielwright2311

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    I do not call it abortion, I call it murder of a human life.

    But forgivable, I forgive all no mater who they are.
     
  16. DamianWarS

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    Gaint straw man. the lack of focus to act against injustice doesn't void the injustice. if you recognize an imbalance then why aren't you fighting for it rather than pretending it's not there.
     
  17. SoldierOfTheKing

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    The rightness or wrongness of abortion has nothing to do with my or anybody else's personal conduct. Given the life he has lived, we couldn't be terribly surprised if our current president had paid for an abortion at some point in his life. That doesn't make his policy on abortion any less sound.
     
  18. Daniel Martinovich

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    Kind of ridiculous since there is a waiting list 8000 miles long to adopt newborns. That is why people adopt overseas.
     
  19. WherevertheWindblows

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    Those Duggar's are obviously against abortion but I doubt they would be looking into adoption since they have 19 of their own un-aborted children.
     
  20. redleghunter

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    You never know.

    We have families in my church which once their kids fly the nest adopt and foster children. Some adopt while also having little ones of their own.
     
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