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Those against abortion, have you adopted?

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by High Fidelity, May 21, 2019.

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  1. High Fidelity

    High Fidelity Well-Known Member Supporter

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    As with many issues, people voice their support so long as it doesn't land in their backyard. The homeless shelter on their street, for example.

    Another example is being against abortion but not adopting children, especially those from unwanted pregnancies.

    I only know of one person to do it and he's one of the few people I can honestly say puts their money where their mouth is.

    So, those of you against abortion, have you adopted? If not, why not?
     
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  2. Stormy

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    I have never taken in a homeless person neither.
    But I have not slit his throat.

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  3. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    The flaw in that argument, aside from being a classic ad hominem, would be by that logic unless I'm going to marry a woman I cannot stop her husband from beating her. If I was alive during the civil war unless I was willing to hire every ex-slave I would have to say that the right to slavery was just. If I am not able to adopt an abused a child I have no right to say that abuse is wrong and actively seek to stop it.

    That falls apart pretty quickly under examination.
     
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  4. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    Good point.
     
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  5. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    I'll answer the question. No I have not but do give to Christian foster care and adoptive services. Also to pregnancy crisis and as a deacon assist in ministering to all families in need who ask for help.

    But the true reason, if we are getting personal about this, why my wife and I have not adopted or fostered children is they would probably not place a child in our care right now. I would probably be considered unqualified due to having a poor prognosis on metastatic cancer. I'd love to do it, have the resources to do it, so give my resources to fund the programs and through the church.

    Now Christians in general in the US are far more likely to adopt and foster children. You might like reviewing these statistics:

    https://www.barna.com/research/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-adoption/

    God Bless brother!

    PS: Maybe you could pick the brain so to speak of our brothers @SPF and @St_Worm2 who have fostered and/or adopted. They will tell you there are more people waiting in line than there are infants. And it's infants we speak of with regards to abortion.
     
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  6. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Or poisoned her, or pulled him limb from limb, or crushed her head.
     
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  7. TuxAme

    TuxAme Quis ut Deus? Supporter

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    No- and you don't have to to be against the genocide of infants. I'm against homelessness, drug addiction and hunger, but don't take in (and am not expected to, even by pro-aborters) any of them. My inability to care for them doesn't justify their slayings.
     
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  8. St_Worm2

    St_Worm2 Senior Member Supporter

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    Hello High Fidelity, when my wife and I signed up to be adoptive parents 20 years ago, we were hoping for a newborn, but we were told not to get our hopes up to high because adopting a newborn baby was such a long shot. The reason? Back then there were almost 100 qualified couples (IOW, couples looking to adopt a newborn who were already in the system) for every newborn child who was put up for adoption.

    The difference is even greater today. More than 100 to 1.

    So there are plenty of qualified, loving families hoping to adopt any/all newborns who are put up for adoption today, and birth moms are able to choose from a large number of qualified families and pick the couple/family who they believe is best suited to raise their child for them.

    The problem, therefore, has NOTHING to do with finding enough loving families/homes for all of the "unwanted" newborns out there, it's finding enough newborn babies to fill all of the homes of the families who want them!!

    There are no "unwanted" babies, just a lack of birth moms choosing adoption over abortion :(

    Thanks!

    --David
    p.s. - our adopted son is 20 years old now, and our home is still his home :)

    "A baby is cradled / carried in the womb of it's mother, to grow and be nurtured until birth. Each baby is a wholly separate person from it's mother: With different DNA, different fingerprints, with possibly a different blood type or the opposite sex. The baby is a person living within a person and not "the mother's body". The mom is appointed to care for the separate life she carries within her and once it's born, find a home for her baby, if she can't provide one." -- Melody Green


    *This post was copied, in part, from a post I just made in a similar thread here at CF.
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  9. Hammster

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  10. Hammster

    Hammster Who has believed our report? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    And I’ve adopted and fostered.
     
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  11. section9+1

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    No. We raised our own. My wife had a ring on her finger when she got pregnant and we raised our kids to be productive members of society. We did our part and if someone spreads her legs she had better be ready to do all the rest as well. If not, she is nothing more than a curse upon society.
     
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  12. Shimokita

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    Are these types of arguments really what the pro-choice movement has become?

    There is one point that the OP raises that is legitimate, however. Although each individual Christian may not have the means to adopt, as a group I think we do have an obligation to help create a society in which every woman who is pregnant, is in a position where she can have the child without financial stress. I feel that things such as paid maternity leave, state sponsored child care facilities, food support, and so forth are completely legit. We have some of this in place already, but more could be done.
     
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  13. Phoebe Ann

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    Not everyone who would like to adopt is able to adopt. Not every parent who adopts is a good parent.

    Abortion is murder and I despise it.
     
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  14. Sabertooth

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    That is a "straw man" argument.

    From Adoption Statistics | Adoption Network ,

    How many people are waiting to adopt a child?
    There are no national statistics on how many people are waiting to adopt, but experts estimate it is somewhere between one and two million couples. Every year there are about 1.3 million abortions. Only 4% of women with unwanted pregnancies place their children through adoption.
     
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  15. redleghunter

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    Christians have been and need to continue to be in the forefront as empires rise and fall but the Church will endure even the gates of Hell.

    Emperor Julian on Christians (he called atheists because Christians did not worship him and the Greco-Roman gods):

    “Atheism [I.e. the Christian faith!] has been specially advanced through the loving service rendered to strangers, and through their care for the burial of the dead. It is a scandal that there is not a single Jew who is a beggar, and that the godless Galileans care not only for their own poor but for ours as well; while those who belong to us look in vain for the help that we should render them.”
     
  16. LaSorcia

    LaSorcia Furu ike ya kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    There are two people involved in pregnancies, and one is always a man.
     
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  17. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    Your analogies don’t make sense. No one was saying slavery is just because no one would hire Africans. No one says beating your wife is just because no one else will marry her. Weird.
     
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  18. Sparagmos

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    “Your thread is stupid.” Is that allowed on CF?
     
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  19. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    That's not the point the analogies are actually consistent from the construction of basic logic problems.

    Premise: unless you are willing to assume responsibility for all results of an immoral act you can not have an opinion on the act.

    If A results in B then C. If you are not willing to personally assume responsibility for B then you can not oppose C.

    Replace with congruent moral acts that plainly disprove the premise. No one had to be saying the same things historically. That just proves that the moral argument being disproven was so faulty even slave owners and abusers did not use it.

    Basic Freshman college logic
     
  20. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    Why is being unmarried a negative result of leaving an abuser? How is unemployment a result of freeing the slaves? Freeing the slaves opened up a ton of job opportunities. The slaves were unemployed and making slavery illegal forced men to pay them for their work.

    I took logics 101, no need to be condescending.
     
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