This is Why Homosexuality is Wrong. . .

[naotmaa]

Let put it another way. Unless you have sex with someone of the same sex, according to the Bible, you are dealing with temptation but you are no homosexual because no sex has been involved. It has been the rationalizations of the last 30 years or so (perhaps even a bit longer) that has attempted to put everyone at the same level and use such as an excuse to say "OH WELL, so be it." GOD will send you the correct spouse if you allow GOD to do so. It will never happen as long as you are out looking for yourself and trying to feel your needs yourself.

So your feelings are that homosexuality is an act, not an orientation like heterosexuality?
So its a temptation like an other sex act?
However, in reality gays/ lesbians feel both emotional and physical attraction in the same ways that straight people do. Their actions by being in faithful relationships and wanting ot get married only prove this. If it was about only lust then it wouldn't be as important. Not by a long shot.

 

[Phred]

GOD will send you the correct spouse if you allow GOD to do so.

How?

 

[naotmaa]

Many people have too much on their minds and far too many bad influences to fill their idol time.

How do you mean?

 

[TheManeki]

How does God send you your spouse?

You pray:

Matchmaker, Matchmaker,
Make me a match,
Find me a find,
catch me a catch
Matchmaker, Matchmaker
Look through your book,
And make me a perfect match

And if you sing it (and do a good job), your God-approved spouse will also be good-looking!

Yes, God likes Fiddler on the Roof. In fact, he likes all of Topol's films, especially Flash Gordon.

 

[RealityCheck]

GOD will send you the correct spouse if you allow GOD to do so. It will never happen as long as you are out looking for yourself and trying to feel your needs yourself.

Yet another example of how powerless the fundamentalist God is.

 

[Ramona]

But, the ONLY way two homosexuals can have a baby is if they go OUTSIDE their sexual interaction and inlist another party. Any baby MUST involve both male and female in some form or another. Homosexuals may produce babies, but not by performing as a homosexual. Either their egg must be inseminated outside that union, or they must pass their sperm so that an egg is fertilized outside their union. Either way, such a person is not being true to his/her supposed "natural" orientation.

Why does it even matter anymore? Are you telling me that no straight person as ever engaged in oral sex or masturbation, or that there has never once been a n infertile couple who engage in heterosexual intercourse? That's not true, so tell me, why does it matter?

Not only is earth overpopulated as is, but there are literally millions upon millions of children who need a loving home but do not have one, and probably will never get one.

P.R.A.T.T. Anyone have a list going yet?

 

[Mumei]

Let put it another way. Unless you have sex with someone of the same sex, according to the Bible, you are dealing with temptation but you are no homosexual because no sex has been involved.

No, I'm a homosexual because I am attracted to other men. Sexual practices never determine sexual orientation.

 

[selfinflikted]

So your feelings are that homosexuality is an act, not an orientation like heterosexuality?
So its a temptation like an other sex act?
However, in reality gays/ lesbians feel both emotional and physical attraction in the same ways that straight people do. Their actions by being in faithful relationships and wanting ot get married only prove this. If it was about only lust then it wouldn't be as important. Not by a long shot.

You are right, however I feel that you are wasting your breath here. LN doesn't want to learn. We tell him these things, then he just continues on as if we hadn't said them at all. That's completely dishonest on his part. LN isn't interested in debate, he's interested in preaching. He claims he's trying to lead sinners to christ, but imho, he's driving each and every one of us in the other direction.

 

[TheManeki]

P.R.A.T.T. Anyone have a list going yet?

I did a while back, and the mods locked it down. But thanks to philosophers like Gipper, Little Nipper, and Mercy Burst, this thread and the "Gay Excuses" thread give a pretty good list of PRATTs. Straight from the horses'...mouths, as it were.

 

[LittleNipper]

So your feelings are that homosexuality is an act, not an orientation like heterosexuality?
So its a temptation like an other sex act?
However, in reality gays/ lesbians feel both emotional and physical attraction in the same ways that straight people do. Their actions by being in faithful relationships and wanting ot get married only prove this. If it was about only lust then it wouldn't be as important. Not by a long shot.

I believe it is a learned orientation, as is heterosexual behavior. It is something that happens as one is exposed again and again to trying it. The first time I had sex with my wife was not perfection. We were babies in the woods, but that is how it should be. With deviate sex (fornication/adultery included), usually, one leads the other. The one who knows the ropes manipulates the other.

 

[RealityCheck]

I believe it is a learned orientation, as is heterosexual behavior. It is something that happens as one is exposed again and again to trying it.

Believe whatever you want - but it is a belief without evidence.

Answer this, if you can - who was the first homosexual, and how did he/she learn to be that way?

The first time I had sex with my wife was not perfection. We were babies in the woods, but that is how it should be.

Deviant sounding.

With deviate sex (fornication/adultery included), usually, one leads the other. The one who knows the ropes manipulates the other.

You have a rather uninformed and twisted view of human sexuality.

 

[naotmaa]

I believe it is a learned orientation, as is heterosexual behavior. It is something that happens as one is exposed again and again to trying it. The first time I had sex with my wife was not perfection. We were babies in the woods, but that is how it should be. With deviate sex (fornication/adultery included), usually, one leads the other. The one who knows the ropes manipulates the other.

I can tell you for a fact thats not true. Where do hear this stuff? The same exerience you had with your wife is the same one many gay/lesbians have had. Its not at all comon for someone to lead or corrupt the other in a relationship. I really would like to know where you got that info from.

 

[OdwinOddball]

I believe it is a learned orientation, as is heterosexual behavior. It is something that happens as one is exposed again and again to trying it. The first time I had sex with my wife was not perfection. We were babies in the woods, but that is how it should be. With deviate sex (fornication/adultery included), usually, one leads the other. The one who knows the ropes manipulates the other.

Learned how? I knew I was straight long long before I ever had sex. Never during the 18 years before I first had sex did I find myself attracted to another man. And I just can't look at a man like that even today.

So I ask, how was it that I learned to be heterosexual? How did you learn? Were you asexual until you met your wife? Because last I checked being homosexual or heterosexual didn't mean just having sex. It meant that the attraction I felt towards Dominque when I was 7 was quite different to the affection I had for my brother or my best friend Garrick.

Being homo/hetero-sexual does not pertain exclusively to having sex. Sex despite the great level of importance you, Mercy, and other place on it, is not the be all end all of life or relationships.

Love, attraction, support, friendship, empathy, partnership.

These are what define a relationship and are the aspects that homosexuals assign to different people than heterosexuals. Sex is just an activity, not a lifestyle.


What is so important about other peoples crotches that you folk have to spend so much time talking about them?

 

[TheManeki]

Do some people have a skewed version of heterosexual marriage and sex, and it translates into a skewed version of homosexual marriage and sex?

Maybe it comes from finding Song of Solomon horribly erotic.

 

[LittleNipper]

No, I'm a homosexual because I am attracted to other men. Sexual practices never determine sexual orientation.

Then don't have sex with another man------ever.... Prove me wrong. Ask GOD to lead you where you need to be and turn not from that leading. Why do you want a guy? Do you want him to take care of you? .Do you want him to take the lead? It is going to take GOD impowered character to move beyond such nothings or you will wallow in sexual manipulation and control.

 

[LittleNipper]

I can tell you for a fact thats not true. Where do hear this stuff? The same exerience you had with your wife is the same one many gay/lesbians have had. Its not at all comon for someone to lead or corrupt the other in a relationship. I really would like to know where you got that info from.

Where do you hear what you believe. I take my cue from the Bible, and I listen to people who accpect GOD's WORD as true and suspect anyone who believes the Bible to be simply a nice story.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Where do you hear what you believe. I take my cue from the Bible, and I listen to people who accpect GOD's WORD as true and suspect anyone who believes the Bible to be simply a nice story.

I don't even think its a nice story, so that pretty much ends that.

 

[LittleNipper]

Do some people have a skewed version of heterosexual marriage and sex, and it translates into a skewed version of homosexual marriage and sex?

Maybe it comes from finding Song of Solomon horribly erotic.

I don't find it erotic. I find it as an example of what any married male & female relationship has the potential of being with GOD at its center....

 

[LittleNipper]

I don't even think its a nice story, so that pretty much ends that.

And we are at odds ------ go figure......

 

[OdwinOddball]

And we are at odds ------ go figure......

Except, I'll still listen to you if you can provide reason and evidence to support your position.

Granted, i have never seen you do that, but theres always a chance.