This is getting weird

[BjBarnett]

it is kinda spooky. ill definatly try to find out more about it before i go. if i decide to go that is.

 

[Xpycoctomos]

Actually... that's not a non-denom Church, that's my parish. I'll let you in on a little secret. The Divine Liturgy is just a front. I remember that secret meeting in the woods. We were trying to plan how we would sneak into all the Catholic Churches in the area and push their altars to the wall so things would be like the pr-vatican II days. I can tell you now because our plan was foiled by the Knights of Colombus. Where'd I put that darn trumpet!?



SOrry, I'm just in a wierd mood lol

 

[kellyb32]

hey guys there is a "non-denominational" church not to far from my house and there membership has recently grown by leaps and bounds since they became non-denominational. but anyway thats not what bothers me. they seem to do some stuff to me that seemed weird. i always just kinda wrote it off. but recently I stumbled across one of there "meetings" and let me say it was scary. turns out they have these "meetings" out in the woods in this clearing and they play a trumpet to signal the start of the meeting or something but its not like they play a song. they just blast the horn. i dunno but should I be worried that they are some kind of cult brain washing people?

Do you know if it was a regular trumpet or a rams horn? The church I used to attend would sometimes use a shofar to signal a change in the service, be it to begin worship or to signify time for intercessory prayer.

What I have found from being involved in the various non-denominational churches that I was in was that the people could sometimes be very strange. I know that I changed when I got really into it. The services are emotionally driven, very powerful and even more intense when taken outside. Perhaps they were having what is called a tent meeting in the woods. Tent meetings are more boisterous and people find a freedom in worshipping God in the open air that isn't there when inside a building.

Are they a cult? Depends on if you view the word cult as being only a negative connotation. Are they brain washing people? Maybe, maybe not. That also depends on a variety of things.

Some of these backyard or store front churches explode in numbers because the pastor allows a "new thing" to be done. Word gets around that worship is exciting, the services are never dead and the preaching is on fire. But this is a very dangerous situation. The devil comes to church too and can appear as an angel of light. Subtle mixed messages from the pulpit, worship that doesn't glorify God or edify the Body...beware of these things. I can tell you stories of experiences my family and I have had in these churches. The one church that used the shofar in it's services was a part of a main line denomination.....their pastors taught that Jesus wasn't God while He was on the earth and used scripture to back up their claim!! The headquarters didn't teach this but they allowed pastors full run of the church and teachings. So if you attended another church of this denomination someplace else, you would get a different teaching.

They failed to remember Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

They also began acting like animals and the pastor's son began mooing like a cow while other people brayed like donkeys, clucked and acted like chickens, barked like dogs on all fours...........That's a mockery of our Lord to have His "children" behaving like that, in church no less!!

Do a search on the Toronto Airport Chruch or Brownsville Assembly of God....see what goes on and let me know what you think. Remember, I was a part of that whole movement....even sang in the Awake America! choir.

Suffice it to say I'm so glad that we were rescued from that life.

Unfortunately the people fail to realize that instead of searching for the next "new thing" to keep them on fire for Jesus, they need to be rooted in the Lord and the truth of His Word as passed down faithfully through the apostles and kept preserved through our popes. I had to learn the hard way and almost lost my family, mind and life to get to where I am today.

A word of advice to you......unless you are really knowledgable in the bible and the lingo of the protestant fundamentalists, unless you are truly prepared to defend your Faith from the lies that have deep roots in certain non-catholic christian movements, and know why you believe what you believe and have scripture to back it up, don't get trapped by one who asks you if you are saved and don't confront them.

Remember 2 Tim. 4:2
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

I work with Christians like you and I described here. I have been employed by our local protestant Christian bookstore for over 5 years and have met all kinds of people from fanatics to the pew warmers. Don't forget, I was one of the fanatics not so long ago. When I talk to them about the awsome power of our Lord, His mercy and grace, etc., they inevitably ask where I go to church. When I tell them St. Stan's RC, that I'm Catholic now, they become quiet and then cut the talking short because it's like they were in cahoots with the enemy or something by talking to me. It's quite amazing....and to think, I was like that...

May God bless you!

 

[d0c markus]

I'd be interested in attending it... does this church have a website or anything? There is a church here (RC actually) in which its rumured that there is a black mass that takes place a few times a year, but thats just a rumur. There are certain aspects of the building that are goofy though. The roof has crosses that are hung upside down and its a real dark looking place on top of a hill.

Those types of stories always arouse curiosity in me and I have an urge to find more out about them. If you could hook me up with the church address me and some friends might be interested in a road trip.

Thanks
Mark

 

[Xpycoctomos]

The roof has crosses that are huge upside down...

:o

Does this seriously bother anyone else? Maybe I'm not understanding correctly. Upside-down crosses? If it's RC I have no doubt that they are kosher but... who planned that? What were they thinking?

John

 

[d0c markus]

:o

Does this seriously bother anyone else? Maybe I'm not understanding correctly. Upside-down crosses? If it's RC I have no doubt that they are kosher but... who planned that? What were they thinking?

John

if we ever venture back to it i'll sure to take the digital camera

 

[kellyb32]

I'd be interested in attending it... does this church have a website or anything? There is a church here (RC actually) in which its rumured that there is a black mass that takes place a few times a year, but thats just a rumur. There are certain aspects of the building that are goofy though. The roof has crosses that are hung upside down and its a real dark looking place on top of a hill.

Those types of stories always arouse curiosity in me and I have an urge to find more out about them. If you could hook me up with the church address me and some friends might be interested in a road trip.

Thanks
Mark

I've been to lots of RC churches, none had an upside down cross. As far as the rumors in your area about the crosses, perhaps it has St. Peter hanging on it since he didn't think he was worthy enough to die in the same manner as our Lord and he was crucified upside down.

Have you ever gone into the church you mentioned?

 

[d0c markus]

I've been to lots of RC churches, none had an upside down cross. As far as the rumors in your area about the crosses, perhaps it has St. Peter hanging on it since he didn't think he was worthy enough to die in the same manner as our Lord and he was crucified upside down.

Have you ever gone into the church you mentioned?

Just To the building late at night - twice now. Never to a service though. Plus its not exactly in my area its 40 minutes away located near a couple other rumured satanic/haunted hotspots. The crosses are plain, no one on them, just hanging from the roof one every 5-6 feet or so. We always scope out the basement as thats where it is rumured to take place, both times with the exception of "Emergency Exit" signs there is no lighting. All though, there were 2 cars in the parking lot with a cemetary behind the church. They wernt there the first time we went, We speculated if those were church cars but also pondered if anyone was in the cemetary.

Who knows.... Not I

 

[Abba]

There's no such thing as a "black mass"

 

[Ann M]

if we ever venture back to it i'll sure to take the digital camera

Do you have a website or name for the church?

 

[StPaul]

There's no such thing as a "black mass"

Actually,... those that are part of a Satanic Cult try to perform "Black Masses". It is a "Ceremony" in which they try to defile the sacred Eucharist (Because it is the Body Of Christ).

 

[Abba]

Actually,... those that are part of a Satanic Cult try to perform "Black Masses". It is a "Ceremony" in which they try to defile the sacred Eucharist (Because it is the Body Of Christ).

Yes but it really isnt a mass. It is a bunch of guys wishing it was a mass so they could pervert it.

 

[ps139]

Don't go to the meetings. You might end up giving them the impression that a Catholic can attend them without a problem, or that any harmony is possible between the Church and their group.

A Catholic can attend any sort of religious meeting for academic purposes. (Well maybe there are a few exceptions). And while we do not have doctrinal harmony with those who are not in full communion, we are called to love them as we love ourselves.

 

[d0c markus]

There's no such thing as a "black mass"

Actually there is. There are variations of them, the real satanic black mass is very offensive to go into detail, but it involves sex, the eucharist a "black" or "dark" priest I forget the term for it. The Eucharist is stolen from the church (apparently one piece is saved no, put into a shiny box?).Some of the rituals involve blood. Its very fascinating stuff but its hard to stomach.

Do you have a website or name for the church?

Not off the top of my head, no. Last time I was there was last december. I'll see if i can find out.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Actually... that's not a non-denom Church, that's my parish. I'll let you in on a little secret. The Divine Liturgy is just a front. I remember that secret meeting in the woods. We were trying to plan how we would sneak into all the Catholic Churches in the area and push their altars to the wall so things would be like the pr-vatican II days. I can tell you now because our plan was foiled by the Knights of Colombus. Where'd I put that darn trumpet!?



SOrry, I'm just in a wierd mood lol

LOL!


But seriously, BJ . . Don't Go . . that is too weird . . there is something going on if they have to be so reclusive like that.

Red Flag gong up on this one REAL fast!



You might ask questions about it though if you have been invited . . You have us all curious now!


Peace in Him!

 

[thereselittleflower]

There's no such thing as a "black mass"

Yes there is . . but not in the Cathollic Church!

It is a satanic ritual . ..


Peace in Him!

 

[thereselittleflower]

Hi all . . regarding the upside down crosses . .. yes they are legit . .

They stand for humility and in remeberance of the death of Peter . . He was crucified upside down, as he did not beelieve he was worthy to be crucified as his Lord was.


There is a building in a town not to far from me used by a non-denominational group which has upside down crosses on its trim on the outside . . I chuckle everytime I go by, wondering if they understand what they mean.

Obviously, it was a Catholic building at one time .. .


Peace in Him!

 

[d0c markus]

Hi all . . regarding the upside down crosses . .. yes they are legit . .

They stand for humility and in remeberance of the death of Peter . . He was crucified upside down, as he did not beelieve he was worthy to be crucified as his Lord was.


There is a building in a town not to far from me used by a non-denominational group which has upside down crosses on its trim on the outside . . I chuckle everytime I go by, wondering if they understand what they mean.

Obviously, it was a Catholic building at one time .. .


Peace in Him!

Very interesting indeed, but I find that somewhat troubling that the cross of peter would be touted over Christ's. Although I must readily say that Im glad to know that they could mean something other than being satanic, theological differences aside i'd be horrified to find out the rumurs are true.

Which apostle was skinned alive, or am I thinking of some other martyr, anyone know? (oh and if you have a website detailing the martyrdom of the apostles id be interested in reading it)

Grace, Mercy, and Peace
Mark

 

[ufonium2]

I don't think any church touts Peter's cross above Christ's. I'm sure if you went inside that church they have a crucifix in front, not Peter's cross.

Do you know the Scottish flag? It has a big X on it because St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland (I think) was martyred on an X shaped cross. So, it's not especially weird to depict Peter's upside down cross.

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

This thread reminds me of a place just outside of Minneapolis, MN out in one of the suburbs. It was a big house out in the woods originally used for people to get mudbaths with arthritis but it later turned into a monastery and then eventually abandoned. I never went to it but it was known as the "Hellhouse." Don't ask me why because I don't know what went on there. This is the only information I could find on it. It burned down about 10 years ago for unkown suspicious reasons.

*WARNING* Webpage has some profanity on it. Sorry if this is against rules and understand if it is removed.
http://www.actionsquad.org/hellhouse.html