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How is it that you think this is a counterpoint to my post? Maybe I missed something, but my point is that Paul said the last enemy is death, and that is the completion of the reversal of the fall.
Death has already been defeated according to Revelation 12 and other passages:

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul to the death.

The blood of the Lamb speaks of the death and resurrection of Christ, as do the following scriptures, which relate the death and resurrection of Christ to the destruction of Satan's power over death, and the destruction of his works:

Hebrews 2
14 Since then the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise partook of the same; that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death (that is, the Devil),
15 and deliver those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


They were in bondage to the fear of death. As Matthew Henry's commentary has it:

QUOTE Matthew Henry
(This bondage) "refers to all the people of God, whether under the Old Testament or the New, whose minds are often in perplexing fears about death and eternity.

Christ became man, and died, to deliver them from those perplexities of soul, by letting them know that death is not only a conquered enemy, but a reconciled friend, not sent to hurt the soul, or separate it from the love of God, but to put an end to all their grievances and complaints, and to give them a passage to eternal life and blessedness; so that to them death is not now in the hand of Satan, but in the hand of Christ—not Satan's servant, but Christ's servant—has not hell following it, but heaven to all who are in Christ."
UNQUOTE

Death has already been defeated, but not yet destroyed in the Lake of Fire.
 
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incorrect. there are plenty of non-full preterist scholarly resources that demonstrate the belief “this generation” refers to the destruction of Jerusalem. See below for just a small example. However, as to your position, I cannot find any that agree. Are you able to provide any?

Barnes commentary on Matthew 24:34

“This generation ... - This age; this race of people. A generation is about 30 or 40 years. The destruction of Jerusalem took place about forty years after this was spoken.”

Gills commentary on Matthew 24:34:
“Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass,.... Not the generation of men in general; as if the sense was, that mankind should not cease, until the accomplishment of these things; nor the generation, or people of the Jews, who should continue to be a people, until all were fulfilled; nor the generation of Christians; as if the meaning was, that there should be always a set of Christians, or believers in Christ in the world, until all these events came to pass; but it respects that present age, or generation of men then living in it; and the sense is, that all the men of that age should not die, but some should live

till all these things were fulfilled; see Matthew 16:28 as many did, and as there is reason to believe they might, and must, since all these things had their accomplishment, in and about forty years after this: and certain it is, that John, one of the disciples of Christ, outlived the time by many years; and, as Dr. Lightfoot observes, many of the Jewish doctors now living, when Christ spoke these words, lived until the city was destroyed; as Rabban Simeon, who perished with it, R. Jochanan ben Zaccai, who outlived it, R. Zadoch, R. Ishmael, and others: this is a full and clear proof, that not anything that is said before, relates to the second coming of Christ, the day of judgment, and end of the world; but that all belong to the coming of the son of man, in the destruction of Jerusalem, and to the end of the Jewish state.

expositor Greek testament on Matthew 24:34
“Solemn assurance that the predicted will come to pass.—πάντα ταῦτα is most naturally taken to mean the same things as in Matthew 24:33, he main subject of the discourse, the impending destruction of the Jewish state. Jesus was quite certain that they would happen within the then living generation (ἡ γενεὰ αὕτη), not merely through miraculous foresight but through clear insight into the moral forces at work”

Bengels gnomen on Matthew 24:34
“From the date of this prediction to the destruction of Jerusalem was a space of forty years, and from the true year of our Lord’s nativity to that event was a space of about seventy-five years. The Jews, however (as, for example, in Seder Olam), reckon seventy-five years as one generation, and the words, οὐ μὴ παρέλθῃ, “shall not pass away,” intimate that the greater part of that generation, but not the whole of it, should have passed away before all the events indicated should have come to pass. The prediction is true with respect to either the forty or the seventy-five years.[1062] So accurately did the Evangelist describe it many years before the event took place.”

Benson commentary on Matthew 24:34:
“This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled, — Hereby evidently showing that he had been speaking all this while only of the calamities coming on the Jews, and the destruction of Jerusalem. “It is to me a wonder,” says Bishop Newton, “how any man can refer part of the foregoing discourse to the destruction of Jerusalem, and part to the end of the world, or any other distant event, when it is said so positively here in the conclusion, All these things shall be fulfilled in this generation.”
Which of the above commenters viewed the end of the Age and return of Christ as already come in that same century?
 
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Hammster the apparent contradiction can only be reconciled when we understand that death of our mortal, corruptible body for those in Christ means our everlasting life we possess through Christ in us ascends to heaven. I can only assume it is your doctrinal view that is keeping you from admitting this fundamental biblical truth.

When Paul says death is the last enemy, he is speaking of the death of the physical, mortal corruptible body. Not of our eternal life we have through Him. Our body is not fitted to life with our eternal spirit/soul until it is raised immortal and incorruptible. It is only our body that is raised from the grave and changed when the last trumpet sounds because those who have died in Christ He brings with Him when He comes again.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 (KJV) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

So you can continue to argue that death has not been defeated through Christ, but please realize that is not an insignificant departure from biblical truth.
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Agreed. Without exception, all the New Testament verses talking about the resurrection of the dead are talking about the resurrection of the body (Greek: soma):

Matthew 22:23; Matthew 22:30; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18; Mark 12:23; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:27; Luke 20:33; Luke 20:35-36; Matthew 22:28; Matthew 27:52-53; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 11:5; Luke 7:22; Luke 7:14; Matthew 17:9; Matthew 20:19; Matthew 9:25; Luke 8:54; Matthew 14:2; Matthew 16:21; Luke 9:22; Matthew 17:23; Matthew 26:32; Mark 14:28; Matthew 27:63-64; Matthew 28:6-7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:6; Luke 24:34; Mark 16:14; Mark 6:14, Mark 6:16; Luke 9:7; Luke 14:13-14; Luke 20:37; John 2:19-21; John 5:21; John 12:1, John 12:9; John 12:17; John 5:28-29; John 21:14; Acts 1:22; Acts 2:24; Acts 2:31-32; Acts 3:15; Acts 3:26; Acts 4:1-2; Acts 4:10; Acts 4:33; Acts 5:30; Acts 10:40; Acts 13:30; Acts 13:33-37; Acts 17:18, Acts 17:31-32; Acts 23:6-8; Acts 24:15; Acts 24:21; Acts 26:8; Romans 1:4; Romans 4:23-25; Romans 6:4-5; Romans 6:9; Romans 7:4; Romans 8:11; Romans 8:34; Romans 10:9; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Corinthians 1:9; 2 Corinthians 4:14; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:20; Ephesians 2:5-6; Ephesians 5:14; Philippians 3:10-11; Colossians 2:12-13; Colossians 3:1 (Compare with Romans 6:5); 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16; 2 Timothy 2:8; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; Hebrews 6:1-2; Hebrews 11:35; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 Peter 1:21; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 Peter 3:21; Revelation 20:4-6.

One or more of the following words related to the resurrection appear in every passage talking about the resurrection:

ἀνάστασις anástasis
ἐγείρω egeírō
ἀπαρχή aparchḗ (first-fruits)
κοιμάω koimáō (sleep in death)
ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō (vitalize, re-vitalize,give life, quicken)
ἔπειτα épeita (afterward)
παρουσία parousía (appearance of Christ at his return)
σῶμα sōma (the body)

John 6:39, 40 & 44 ἀνίστημι anístēmi: "And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up [ἀνίστημι anístēmi] again at the last day."

John 11:23-25 ἀνίστημι anístēmi, ἀνάστασις anástasis:
“Jesus said to her, Your brother shall [anístēmi] rise again. Martha said to Him, I know that he shall [ἀνίστημι anístēmi] in the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection at the last day.
Jesus said to her, I am the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live.”


Paul's doctrine regarding the Resurrection from the dead
(1 Corinthians 15:4; 12-23, 35-36, 42-45, 50-57):

"..and that He was buried, and that He rose again [ἐγείρω egeírō] the third day according to the Scriptures;..

"But if Christ is proclaimed, that He was [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead?

But if there is no [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised.

And if Christ has not been [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised, then our proclamation is worthless, and your faith is also worthless.

And we are also found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified of God that He [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised Christ; whom He did not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raise if the dead are not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised.

For if the dead are not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised, then Christ is not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised.

And if Christ is not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised, your faith is foolish; you are yet in your sins.

Then also those that [κοιμάω koimáō] fell asleep in Christ were lost. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

But now Christ has [ἐγείρω egeírō] risen from the dead, and has become the [ἀπαρχή aparchḗ] firstfruit of those who [κοιμάω koimáō] slept.

For since death is through man, the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead also is through a Man.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] made alive.

But each in his own order: Christ the [ἀπαρχή aparchḗ ] first-fruit, and [ἔπειτα épeita] afterward they who are Christ's at His [παρουσία parousía] coming.

If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead [ἐγείρω egeírō] rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.

But someone will say, How are the dead raised up, and with what [σῶμα sōma] body do they come?

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I believe that the verses below are the key to correctly understand Jesus and His apostles' resurrection doctrine, because without exception each and every passage and verse in the New Testament which talks about the resurrection (rising again), is unambiguously talking about the resurrection of the body (σῶμα sōma) from the dead, in the day that the body is raised a spiritual body:
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Foolish one! What you sow is not made alive [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] unless it dies.

So also the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in incorruption; it is sown in dishonor, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in power; it is sown a natural body [σῶμα sōma], it is raised a spiritual body [σῶμα sōma]. There is a natural body [σῶμα sōma], and there is a spiritual body [σῶμα sōma].

And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, was made a living soul," the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"

And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed."
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There are no exceptions in the New Testament. All the verses talking about the resurrection are talking about the resurrection of the body.
 
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Quoting Fullness of the Gentiles:

Paul's doctrine regarding the Resurrection from the dead
(1 Corinthians 15:4; 12-23, 35-36, 42-45, 50-57):
But someone will say, How are the dead raised up, and with what [σῶμα sōma] body do they come?
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I believe that the verses below are the key to correctly understand Jesus and His apostles' resurrection doctrine, because without exception each and every passage and verse in the New Testament which talks about the resurrection (rising again), is unambiguously talking about the resurrection of the body (σῶμα sōma) from the dead, in the day that the body is raised a spiritual body:
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Foolish one! What you sow is not made alive [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] unless it dies.

So also the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in incorruption; it is sown in dishonor, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in power; it is sown a natural body [σῶμα sōma], it is raised a spiritual body [σῶμα sōma]. There is a natural body [σῶμα sōma], and there is a spiritual body [σῶμα sōma].

And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, was made a living soul," the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"

And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed."
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There are no exceptions in the New Testament. All the verses talking about the resurrection are talking about the resurrection of the body.

***FOG, I wanted to show you something often overlooked in the passage from Paul. There are other verses I will address also, but for now I offer this. Paul is showing us how in death the believer goes to heaven a spiritual body. He is showing us both the spiritual rising of believers in death, and also showing us the bodily resurrection when the last trumpet sounds.

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJVSL) It is sown σπείρω a natural ψυχικός body σῶμα; it is raised ἐγείρω a spiritual πνευματικός body σῶμα. There is ἐστί a natural ψυχικός body σῶμα, and καί there is ἐστί a spiritual πνευματικός body σῶμα.

Our natural body being dead and buried is raised a spiritual body, because there is a natural body AND a spiritual body. Since in death we are raised a spiritual body, we need to understand what a spiritual body means.

Spiritual - pneumatikós - non-carnal, i.e. (humanly) ethereal (as opposed to gross), or (dæmoniacally) a spirit (concretely), or (divinely) supernatural, regenerate, religious:—spiritual

We become a spiritual body before our natural mortal body is raised to life again. That's because in life we have already been quickened by His Spirit in us. Our mortal body too will also be quickened by His Spirit, but not until the last trumpet sounds the return of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJVSL) And καί so οὕτω it is written γράφω, The first πρῶτος man ἄνθρωπος Adam Ἀδάμ was made γίνομαι εἰς a living ζάω soul ψυχή; the last ἔσχατος Adam Ἀδάμ was made εἰς a quickening ζωοποιέω spirit πνεῦμα.

1 Corinthians 15:46 (KJVSL) Howbeit ἀλλά that was not οὐ first πρῶτον which is spiritual πνευματικός, but ἀλλά that which is natural ψυχικός; and afterward ἔπειτα that which is spiritual πνευματικός.

The natural, or mortal body of flesh came first, then in death after our mortal body dies comes a spiritual body, that ascends to heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:47 (KJVSL) The first πρῶτος man ἄνθρωπος is of ἐκ the earth γῆ, earthy χοϊκός: the second δεύτερος man ἄνθρωπος is the Lord κύριος from ἐκ heaven οὐρανός.

1 Corinthians 15:48 (KJVSL) As οἷος is the earthy χοϊκός, such τοιοῦτος are they also καί that are earthy χοϊκός: and καί as is οἷος the heavenly ἐπουράνιος, such τοιοῦτος are they ἐπουράνιος also καί that are heavenly ἐπουράνιος.

First we are a body of earth, earthy, and in death we will be a heavenly spiritual body, as are the angels, and as is the Lord from heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:49 (KJVSL) And καί as καθώς we have borne φορέω the image εἰκών of the earthy χοϊκός, we shall φορέω also καί bear φορέω the image εἰκών of the heavenly ἐπουράνιος.

Just as we were the image of the earthy body, made of dust/clay, we will bear the image of the heavenly, spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:50 (KJVSL) Now δέ this τοῦτο I say φημί, brethren ἀδελφός, that ὅτι flesh σάρξ and καί blood αἷμα cannot οὐ δύναμαι inherit κληρονομέω the kingdom βασιλεία of God θεός; neither οὐδέ doth κληρονομέω corruption φθορά inherit κληρονομέω incorruption ἀφθαρσία.

Since mortal, earthy bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God, we as spiritual body will wait in heaven with the Lord until the resurrection and quickening of our mortal body. Then with immortality, and incorruption, without sin we are complete living soul once more to inherit the new heavens and the new earth.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

First we are raised to spiritual body after our body succumbs to death, then on the last day, when the last trumpet sounds the return of our Lord, our mortal body too will be resurrected and quickened by the Spirit to live with Christ throughout eternity.
 
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When we have been quickened in life through the life giving Spirit, when we are absent from our mortal body, we will be present with the Lord a spiritual body in heaven.

Quickened in life, to die no more: Quicken - 2227. ζωοποιέω zoopoieo (zōopoiéō)
to (re-)vitalize (literally or figuratively):—make alive, give life, quicken.

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:5-6 (KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 2:12-13 (KJV) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1 Peter 3:18 (KJV) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
 
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Agreed. Without exception, all the New Testament verses talking about the resurrection of the dead are talking about the resurrection of the body (Greek: soma):

Matthew 22:23; Matthew 22:30; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18; Mark 12:23; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:27; Luke 20:33; Luke 20:35-36; Matthew 22:28; Matthew 27:52-53; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 11:5; Luke 7:22; Luke 7:14; Matthew 17:9; Matthew 20:19; Matthew 9:25; Luke 8:54; Matthew 14:2; Matthew 16:21; Luke 9:22; Matthew 17:23; Matthew 26:32; Mark 14:28; Matthew 27:63-64; Matthew 28:6-7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:6; Luke 24:34; Mark 16:14; Mark 6:14, Mark 6:16; Luke 9:7; Luke 14:13-14; Luke 20:37; John 2:19-21; John 5:21; John 12:1, John 12:9; John 12:17; John 5:28-29; John 21:14; Acts 1:22; Acts 2:24; Acts 2:31-32; Acts 3:15; Acts 3:26; Acts 4:1-2; Acts 4:10; Acts 4:33; Acts 5:30; Acts 10:40; Acts 13:30; Acts 13:33-37; Acts 17:18, Acts 17:31-32; Acts 23:6-8; Acts 24:15; Acts 24:21; Acts 26:8; Romans 1:4; Romans 4:23-25; Romans 6:4-5; Romans 6:9; Romans 7:4; Romans 8:11; Romans 8:34; Romans 10:9; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Corinthians 1:9; 2 Corinthians 4:14; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:20; Ephesians 2:5-6; Ephesians 5:14; Philippians 3:10-11; Colossians 2:12-13; Colossians 3:1 (Compare with Romans 6:5); 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16; 2 Timothy 2:8; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; Hebrews 6:1-2; Hebrews 11:35; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 Peter 1:21; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 Peter 3:21; Revelation 20:4-6.

One or more of the following words related to the resurrection appear in every passage talking about the resurrection:

ἀνάστασις anástasis
ἐγείρω egeírō
ἀπαρχή aparchḗ (first-fruits)
κοιμάω koimáō (sleep in death)
ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō (vitalize, re-vitalize,give life, quicken)
ἔπειτα épeita (afterward)
παρουσία parousía (appearance of Christ at his return)
σῶμα sōma (the body)

John 6:39, 40 & 44 ἀνίστημι anístēmi: "And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up [ἀνίστημι anístēmi] again at the last day."

John 11:23-25 ἀνίστημι anístēmi, ἀνάστασις anástasis:
“Jesus said to her, Your brother shall [anístēmi] rise again. Martha said to Him, I know that he shall [ἀνίστημι anístēmi] in the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection at the last day.
Jesus said to her, I am the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live.”


Paul's doctrine regarding the Resurrection from the dead
(1 Corinthians 15:4; 12-23, 35-36, 42-45, 50-57):

"..and that He was buried, and that He rose again [ἐγείρω egeírō] the third day according to the Scriptures;..

"But if Christ is proclaimed, that He was [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead?

But if there is no [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised.

And if Christ has not been [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised, then our proclamation is worthless, and your faith is also worthless.

And we are also found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified of God that He [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised Christ; whom He did not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raise if the dead are not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised.

For if the dead are not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised, then Christ is not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised.

And if Christ is not [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised, your faith is foolish; you are yet in your sins.

Then also those that [κοιμάω koimáō] fell asleep in Christ were lost. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

But now Christ has [ἐγείρω egeírō] risen from the dead, and has become the [ἀπαρχή aparchḗ] firstfruit of those who [κοιμάω koimáō] slept.

For since death is through man, the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead also is through a Man.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] made alive.

But each in his own order: Christ the [ἀπαρχή aparchḗ ] first-fruit, and [ἔπειτα épeita] afterward they who are Christ's at His [παρουσία parousía] coming.

If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead [ἐγείρω egeírō] rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.

But someone will say, How are the dead raised up, and with what [σῶμα sōma] body do they come?

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I believe that the verses below are the key to correctly understand Jesus and His apostles' resurrection doctrine, because without exception each and every passage and verse in the New Testament which talks about the resurrection (rising again), is unambiguously talking about the resurrection of the body (σῶμα sōma) from the dead, in the day that the body is raised a spiritual body:
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Foolish one! What you sow is not made alive [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] unless it dies.

So also the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in incorruption; it is sown in dishonor, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised in power; it is sown a natural body [σῶμα sōma], it is raised a spiritual body [σῶμα sōma]. There is a natural body [σῶμα sōma], and there is a spiritual body [σῶμα sōma].

And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, was made a living soul," the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"

And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be [ἐγείρω egeírō] raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed."
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There are no exceptions in the New Testament. All the verses talking about the resurrection are talking about the resurrection of the body.

So if a Christian was spiritually dead before salvation and they are now spiritually alive, by what means does Scripture say we are brought from death into newness of life?
 
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When we have been quickened in life through the life giving Spirit, when we are absent from our mortal body, we will be present with the Lord a spiritual body in heaven.

Quickened in life, to die no more: Quicken - 2227. ζωοποιέω zoopoieo (zōopoiéō)
to (re-)vitalize (literally or figuratively):—make alive, give life, quicken.

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:5-6 (KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 2:12-13 (KJV) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

The only way that we can transition from death to life (both spiritually and physically) is by way of resurrection. There is no other way! This is demonstrated many times in Scripture in regard to both spiritual and physical resurrection.

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man needs both spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Romans 6:3-6 says, “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up [Gr. egeiro] from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection [Gr. anastasis]: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”

There are two Greek words used in Romans 6:3-10 that are used to describe the resurrection of Christ, and that are significantly in turn purposely equated to the believer and the new birth experience; they are egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and anastasis (Strong’s 386). Such a correlation between these two diverse types of resurrection (physical and spiritual) is only secured through Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection, enabling the believer to walk in resurrection power and “newness of life.” The believer here is therefore supernaturally transferred from a condition of death into one of life. This undoubtedly relates (1) to a spiritual state, and, (2), to the here in now. It cannot relate to the physical resurrection which is still future and which occurs at the second coming of Christ.

The first word egeiro (Strong’s 1453) is used many times throughout the New Testament to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. These references are found in Matthew 14:2, 16:21, 17:9, 23, 20:19, 26:32, 27:63, 64, 28:6, 7, Mark 14:28, 16:6, 14, Luke 1:69, 9:22, 24:6, 34, John 2:19, 20, 22, 21:14, Acts 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40, 13:30, 37, Romans 4:24, 25, 6:4, 9, 7:4, 8:11, 34, 10:9, 1 Corinthians 6:14, 15:4, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 2 Corinthians 4:14, 5:15, Galatians 1:1, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 2:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 1 Peter 1:21.

Similarly, the other Greek word anastasis (Strong’s 386), which is identified several times in Scripture with the new birth spiritual resurrection is also used several times to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. It is derived from the root word anistemi (Strong’s 450). These are outlined in Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:34, 16:9, Luke 18:33, 24:7, 26, John 20:9, Acts 2:24, 31, 32, 3:26, 4:2, 33, 10:41, 13:33, 34, 17:3, 18, 26:23, Romans 15:12, Philippians 3:10 1 Thessalonians 4:14, 1 Peter 1:3, 3:21.

The same two Greek words that are repeatedly employed to describe Christ’s physical resurrection from the dead are also used in Ephesians 5:14 to describe the new birth experience of the believer. The sinner being commanded: Awake [Gr. egeiro] thou that sleepest, and arise [Gr. anastasis] from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light (Ephesians 5:14).

The resurrection portrayed here is again not a physical resurrection, but, a spiritual resurrection in which the recipient (the sinner) receives the joy of salvation. Through this spiritual resurrection, the believer receives the “light” of God and is therefore spared the awful sentence of eternal wrath. The verb “arise” in this text specifically relates to salvation and is a metaphor describing the spiritual resurrection that Christians undergo when they are lifted from the grave of sin. It also demonstrates the blessing that follows this resurrection. The true child of God receives the blessed light of God’s dear Son the Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 2:34 also records, “Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again [Gr. anastasis] (or resurrecting) of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against.”

Matthew Henry explains in relation to this passage, “He (Jesus) is set for the rising again of many in Israel, that is, for the conversion of many to God that are dead and buried in sin, and for the consolation of many in God that are sunk and lost in sorrow and despair. Those whom he is set for the fall of may be the same with those whom he is set for the rising again of. He is set eis ptosin kai anastasin - for their fall, in order to their rising again; to humble and abase them, and bring them off from all confidence in themselves, that they may be exalted by relying on Christ; he wounds and then heals, Paul falls, and rises again”

The believer is raised from the grave of his sin and spiritual death at conversion, which of necessity must be a spiritual resurrection. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 1:8-10, “For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life: But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth [Gr. egeiro] the dead: Who delivered us (past tense) from so great a death, and doth deliver (present tense): in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us (future tense).”

This whole passage is concentrated upon the great eternal provision of spiritual deliverance. The word “raiseth” in this reading is a present active verb, therefore it is talking about a resurrection that is happening now, rather than the future physical resurrection. This is obviously speaking of spiritual resurrection, because it alone has been ongoing since Christ’s first (physical) resurrection. This will, of course, culminate with the general physical resurrection at His return.

The same word repeatedly applied to Christ’s physical resurrection in the New Testament – egeiro – is here again used spiritually to describe the spiritual resurrection of the believer from the reality of spiritual death. It shows a present realisation and victorious triumph over that state in this testimony of Paul. This reading does not at all indicate that the believer will not experience natural death, no, but rather, that he wouldn’t experience spiritual death. It positively outlines that through the spiritual (or first) resurrection the believer is rescued from entering into the awful realisation of the second death (eternal punishment).

Colossians 2:10-14 says, “ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ‘ye are risen with him’ [Gr. sunegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised [Gr. egeiro] him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzoopoieo] together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

This explicit passage describes the act of salvation as a resurrection feat. Moreover, the raising of the forgiven child of God in resurrection power in salvation is in turn carefully identified with, and connected to, Christ’s glorious resurrection. It confirms that our hearts “are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” in salvation, and likens this supernatural work to a death, burial and resurrection. This reading shows how the child of God is “buried with him,” “quickened together with him,” and finally “risen with him.”

The wording relating to this spiritual resurrection – “ye are risen with him” – is translated from the Greek word sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891), which is derived from the coupling of two other Greek words sun (Strong’s 4862) – denoting union and togetherness, and egeiro (Strong’s 1453), which means to awaken or resurrect from the dead. This word egeiro is constantly used in the New Testament in reference to Christ’s physical resurrection.

Also, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the Greek word suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806), which is derived from combining the words sun (Strong’s 4862) with zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227), meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. Hence, we can see the deep meaning of this word in the aforementioned passage and the essential work that is perfected in the penitent sinner in regeneration.

Many new birth passages in Scripture are surrounded in resurrection terminology. Notwithstanding, they are not in any way referring to a physical resurrection, although, often, using the same type of language that accompanies literal ones. These references repeatedly describe spiritually dead men being spiritually made alive by being first spiritually quickened and then spiritually resurrected from the grave of their sin. This reading plainly outlines how the penitent sinner is raised with the exact same supernatural power that raised Christ at His resurrection, saying, “ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Colossians 3:1-4 goes on to add, If ‘ye then be risen with [Gr. sunegeiro] Christ (speaking in the present tense about those who have experienced spiritual resurrection in Christ), seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear (speaking of the second coming), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (referring to the physical resurrection which is future tense).”

There are two distinct resurrections outlined in this reading, the first being spiritual and the second being physical. The initial resurrection of necessity sees a spiritual change, whereas, the second resurrection of necessity requires a physical change. Interestingly, the Greek word sunegeiro is again used here to describe the spiritual resurrection of the penitent sinner through union with Christ. No one could surely dismiss the current reality of the resurrection outlined at the beginning of the above passage. Moreover, those that have experienced the aforementioned resurrection are then instructed to “seek” and “set their affection” upon “those things which are above” – spiritual actions that are to be performed in this scene of time. The key to experiencing the reality of this current resurrected life is found in the concluding part of the reading that our earthly life is “hid with Christ in God.”

Ephesians 2:1-6 also says, you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, ‘hath quickened us together’ [Gr. suzoopoieo] with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath ‘raised us up together’ [Gr. sunegeiro] and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.”

The same two Greek words found in Colossians 2:10-14 are also used in this reading to describe the spiritual resurrection. Again, the word rendered “quickened” here in Ephesians 2 is the Greek word suzoopoieo, which indicates a uniting to Christ in mystical union by means of being spiritually revitalized and made alive. The Greek word sunegeiro carries the meaning of union with Christ through resurrection. It is also in the aorist active demonstrating that it relates to the present. All sane theologians know that is not therefore not talking about physical resurrection.

Romans 4:17 says, speaking of that great father of the faith Abraham, “(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth [Gr. zoopoieo] the dead, and calleth those things which be not (unbelieving Gentiles) as though they were (the people of God).”

Again, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the original word zoopoieo meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. It is the same word used in Ephesians 2:5 and Colossians 3:1, only it is prefixed there by the Greek word sun in those passages. This passage is describing how God breathed spiritual life into the once darkened Gentile nations, and brought them into a personal relationship with the living God. Those within the nations that received God’s provision for sin and uncleanness were then immediately brought from a condition of spiritual death unto a state of spiritual life through the precious work of Christ at Calvary. This quickening of the Gentiles is therefore plainly not just a future hope but a joyous present reality.

In the new birth, the nature of Christ is imputed into the believer thus raising him up from a spiritual grave into a real living communion with God. I John 3:14 succinctly explains, We know that we have passed from death unto life.” How? This text makes it clear that the death that is conquered here in the-here-and-now is assuredly not physical but spiritual death. The sinner that believes (and is thus born again of the Spirit of God) has entered into the realisation of the first resurrection in this life and will one day be physically raised at the second resurrection unto life.

Conclusion

We have seen how the Greek word anastasis (Strongs 386), used in Revelation 20 to describe the first resurrection, is related to the new birth in several New Testament passages. We have seen how its root meaning anistemi (Strongs 450) is also related to the new birth experience. We have seen how other similar resurrection words like egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227) are also identified with the first spiritual resurrection.
 
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The Sadducees ask Christ about the resurrection. The answer Christ gives them is not speaking of the bodily resurrection on the last day. Christ says not only do they lack understanding of the Scriptures, but also the power of God. This could not be the bodily resurrection since those who are raised are as the angels in heaven. Angels are spirit beings, but the bodily resurrection will be physical, our mortal, corruptible flesh being clothed with immortality and incorruption.

Matthew 22:29-32 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Hebrews 1:13-14 (KJV) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. How could Christ speak of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob of the living, if they won't be the living until the resurrection on the last day?

Both Mark & Luke record the same conversation.

Mark 12:24-27 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Luke 20:34-38 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

My problem with believing this the bodily resurrection on the last day is that the bodies are not resurrected on the last day, which is when the bodily resurrection will be. The bodies of these saints arose, but no bodily resurrection. This awaking from the dead comes after Christ was resurrected so it seems more plausible to me that these are spiritual bodies, gone to the holy city in heaven, and seen by the hosts of heaven. No Old Covenant saint could go to heaven until Christ literally came and defeated death.

Matthew 27:51-53 (KJV) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

I think this is enough to show that some references to the resurrection is not always a bodily resurrection on the last day.
 
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The only way that we can transition from death to life (both spiritually and physically) is by way of resurrection. There is no other way! This is demonstrated many times in Scripture in regard to both spiritual and physical resurrection.

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man needs both spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Conclusion

We have seen how the Greek word anastasis (Strongs 386), used in Revelation 20 to describe the first resurrection, is related to the new birth in several New Testament passages. We have seen how its root meaning anistemi (Strongs 450) is also related to the new birth experience. We have seen how other similar resurrection words like egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227) are also identified with the first spiritual resurrection.

The discussion began because there are some who do not believe the life (spiritual) we have in Christ is eternal. The reason I believe this topic is urgently needed is because so many doubt those who have been made alive in Christ go immediately upon death to heaven as spiritual body. Of course it is their doctrinal point of view that keeps them from accepting this. I don't know if you believe that death cannot separate us from Christ, but I'm confident that we are of the same mind regarding the 'first resurrection'.

Because it is the first resurrection, that is Christ's resurrection that we must partake of in life so the second death has no power over us. I've tried very hard to make sure I separate the spiritual resurrection from the bodily resurrection, so I'm not sure what I said to make you think I believe in only the bodily resurrection, and that every mention must defined as such. I can assure you I too see two resurrections in Scripture, they are the first resurrection we must partake of before death, and then the bodily resurrection and change on the last day.

Thanks for the reply I found it very refreshing and altogether biblically sound.
 
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The discussion began because there are some who do not believe the life (spiritual) we have in Christ is eternal. The reason I believe this topic is urgently needed is because so many doubt those who have been made alive in Christ go immediately upon death to heaven as spiritual body. Of course it is their doctrinal point of view that keeps them from accepting this. I don't know if you believe that death cannot separate us from Christ, but I'm confident that we are of the same mind regarding the 'first resurrection'.

Because it is the first resurrection, that is Christ's resurrection that we must partake of in life so the second death has no power over us. I've tried very hard to make sure I separate the spiritual resurrection from the bodily resurrection, so I'm not sure what I said to make you think I believe in only the bodily resurrection, and that every mention must defined as such. I can assure you I too see two resurrections in Scripture, they are the first resurrection we must partake of before death, and then the bodily resurrection and change on the last day.

Thanks for the reply I found it very refreshing and altogether biblically sound.

Absolutely agree. Sin, death, Hades, Satan and eternal death have been eternally conquered on behalf of the believer. They cannot therefore hold dominion over the believer ever again. I see no other viable alternative in the NT.
 
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When Paul says death is the last enemy, he is speaking of the death of the physical, mortal corruptible body.

Yes!!!! I don’t know what else you think I am talking about.
 
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Death has already been defeated according to Revelation 12 and other passages:

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul to the death.

The blood of the Lamb speaks of the death and resurrection of Christ, as do the following scriptures, which relate the death and resurrection of Christ to the destruction of Satan's power over death, and the destruction of his works:

Hebrews 2
14 Since then the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise partook of the same; that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death (that is, the Devil),
15 and deliver those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


They were in bondage to the fear of death. As Matthew Henry's commentary has it:

QUOTE Matthew Henry
(This bondage) "refers to all the people of God, whether under the Old Testament or the New, whose minds are often in perplexing fears about death and eternity.

Christ became man, and died, to deliver them from those perplexities of soul, by letting them know that death is not only a conquered enemy, but a reconciled friend, not sent to hurt the soul, or separate it from the love of God, but to put an end to all their grievances and complaints, and to give them a passage to eternal life and blessedness; so that to them death is not now in the hand of Satan, but in the hand of Christ—not Satan's servant, but Christ's servant—has not hell following it, but heaven to all who are in Christ."
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Death has already been defeated, but not yet destroyed in the Lake of Fire.
If death has been defeated, then you must believe that all of Christ’s other enemies are under His feet. And, the kingdom has been given to the Father.
 
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That judgment started at the cross, continued through the First Jewish Revolt, (AD 66–70), the Second Jewish Revolt, (AD 132–135) after that in some notable judgments, right through to today, and will culminate with their eternal destruction on judgment day.

there is no final judgment of mankind in the parable of the wicked tenants. It’s simply about the destruction of the wicked tenants for killing the vineyard owners son. Such occurred in 70ad.



 
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Your argument isn't airtight at all because the only city the Revelation calls the holy city is New Jerusalem. So those who came out of the grave went into New Jerusalem, not the city not called holy after the death and resurrection of Christ.

You have to go according to the New Testament definition of the holy city. Not what you think it "should be" referring to.

@claninja Here's a list of all the verses in the New Testament referring to the holy city:-

1. Before the tearing of the veil:

Matthew 4:5 Then the Devil took Him up into the holy city and set Him upon a pinnacle of the Temple.

After the tearing of the veil:

Matthew 27:53 after His resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

Revelation calls only New Jerusalem the holy city following the death and resurrection of Christ:

Revelation 21:2 And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband.

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of Heaven from God,

Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.

Revelation 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it was given to the nations. And they will trample the holy city forty-two months.

There is no city mentioned in the Revelation other than:-

(i) New Jerusalem; and

(ii) Babylon the Great, or the city"spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." (Revelation 11:8).

So by the New Testament's own definition, Jerusalem is not called the holy city following the death and resurrection of Christ.

This doesn’t address Matthew 27:53.
 
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The end of the Age is the end of the period following the tearing of the veil which has not ended yet.

as already stated, I agree the olivet discourse is 100% about the end of the age.

I also agree the end of the age began with Christ 1st advent.

so, I’m still not understanding your argument.
 
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You're quoting commentators. I'm talking about scholars who are theologians. Most of them disagree with Preterist and Partial Preterist notions regarding when the Age will end.

If it were not so, the entire church would be Preterist or Partial-Preterist today. So let's leave the game of sources not in the Bible out of the discussion, please. It's pointless.

Do the above commentators you quote all say that the end of the Age and the return of Christ was in 70 A.D?

Several of my examples were written by scholars, so you are not correct.

John Gill (scholar)

Johann Bengel (scholar)

expositors Greek testament was written by scholars.

Your deflecting my earlier question. Again, I cannot find any serious scholarship that agrees with your position of understanding. Are you able to provide any?
 
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Which of the above commenters viewed the end of the Age and return of Christ as already come in that same century?

Again, depends on what you mean by “return”. I don’t believe the “2nd advent”, as orthodoxy understands it, has occurred yet, neither do the commentators I posted. I believe the OD is about he coming of Christ in judgement upon Israel at the end of the age, so does commentator and scholar John Gill.

Your avoiding my question with a deflecting question.
 
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Not so. There is still tribulation of Christians going on today, and has been ever since.

You simply have not provided any support for the notion that Matthew 24:4-34 is talking about a 1st century generation of Christians. Hence, no proof that "this generation" refers to the 1st generation of Christians.

so just to clarify, you don’t believe the first century generation of the disciples experienced war, famine, false prophets, persecution, those falling away from the church, nor the gospel going to the known world?
 
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This doesn’t address Matthew 27:53.
Yes it does. because it proves that they entered the church of Christ, New Jerusalem.

And anyway, verse 52: "the graves were opened" is considered spurious by almost every Bible translator and should be ignored.
 
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as already stated, I agree the olivet discourse is 100% about the end of the age.

I also agree the end of the age began with Christ 1st advent.

so, I’m still not understanding your argument.
As you know, whether or not you agree with something doesn't make it true. So IMO your "statements" about this are meaningless. Just statements, without support. You haven't provided the necessary support.

Here are the Biblical facts that torpedo your faith in your assertions with regard to the holy place in Matthew 24:15:

THE HOLY CITY AND THE HOLY PLACE

1. The holy city

The word holy in the biblical sense means “set apart unto God” or “consecrated unto God”.

There is no city mentioned in the Revelation other than:-

(i) New Jerusalem; and

(ii) Babylon the Great, or the city"spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." (Revelation 11:8).

There is no verse in the Revelation where Babylon the Great is called "the holy city", but the Revelation calls New Jerusalem the holy city three times:- Revelation 21:2; Revelation 21:10; and Revelation 22:19.

* Revelation 11:2 is talking about the holy city.

* The other city referred to in Revelation chapter 11, is referred to as a city that is "spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." (Revelation 11:8).

Here are all the verses in the New Testament referring to the holy city:-

(i) Before the tearing of the veil:

Matthew 4:5 Then the Devil took Him up into the holy city and set Him upon a pinnacle of the Temple.

(ii) After the tearing of the veil:

Matthew 27:53 After His resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

(iii) The four remaining references to the holy city are in the Revelation (already mentioned above).

This means that the New Testament is identifying only New Jerusalem as the holy city following the death and resurrection of Christ. It does the same with the Greek word employed to denote the place of the holy presence (naós):

The Greek word hierón is used in reference to the physical temple complex in Jerusalem. But the word naós is used:-

-- for the holy place in the Jerusalem temple complex --:

Luke 1:9 & 21-22; Matthew 23:16-17 & 21; Matthew 23:35; Matthew 27:5; John 2:20; Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45.

-- for the body of Christ --:

(John 2:19 & 21; Matthew 26:61; Matthew 27:40; Mark 14:58; Mark 15:29)

-- in the verses telling of the tearing of the veil -- *:

Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45.

* The last time the word naós is used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses which talk about the tearing of the veil (Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45). After this, the first time the word is used again is in Acts:

Acts 7:48a
But, the Most High does not dwell in temples (Greek: naos) made with hands.

Acts 17:24
The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples (Greek naos) made with hands.

Compare the above two verses with:

Hebrews 9
24 For Christ has not entered into the Holy of Holies made with (human) hands, which are the figures of the true, but into Heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.

From then on the word naós is only used for:

-- the bodies of individual believers, the church, & the temple in heaven --

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:1-2; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15 & Revelation 14:17; Revelation 15:5-6 & Revelation 15:8; Revelation 16:1 & Revelation 16:17; Revelation 21:22

Therefore since the temple in Jerusalem is not considered the place of the holy presence of God (the holy place) following the tearing of the veil, the reader is given everything he needs in order to understand what the holy place in Matthew 24:15 is referring to (especially since it's linked to Matthew 24:9-14 and everything that follows through Matthew 24:31).
 
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