This generation

[John Mullally]

Is this Him coming back?

“I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
— Daniel 7:13

Daniel 7:1 is talking about Christ (who frequently termed himself as the Son of Man) coming to the Father (the Ancient of Days). Different direction from Matthew 24:30.

And did He quote that in v 30?

No, Matthew 24:30 and Daniel 7:1 are not even close.

 

[sovereigngrace]

amils are partial preterist….

Eusebius held the same beliefs that many partial preterists do.

“He designates the desolation of Jerusalem, by the destruction of the Temple, and the laying aside of those services which were, according to the law of Moses, formerly performed within it. The manner moreover of the captivity, points out the war. of which He spoke; "For (said He) there shall be (great) tribulation upon the land, and great wrath upon this people : and they shall fall by the edge of the sword." We can learn too, from the writings of Flavius Josephus, how these things took place in their localities, and how those, which had been foretold by our Saviour, were, in fact, fulfilled”

How does Eusebius use “genea” when discussing the destruction of the “that generation”?

“But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come there from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jewsand the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men.”

Amils are partial preterists and partial futurists.

 

[Timtofly]

No harvest is mentioned. Do you want to try again?

After you can prove summer is not harvest time.

 

[Hammster]

The only way your customery 1 or 2-line arguments survive are because they avoid the biblical rebuttals at hand. I don't need to tell you, personal opinion is inadmissible.

No, I’m just extremely efficient in getting to the heart of the matter.

 

[Hammster]

The repeated use of something like every tribe and language and people and nation in multiple Revelations verses is poetic as multiple synonyms are used. It should be sufficient to indicate world-wide by simply stating every people, or by simply saying every nation.

Substituting the meaning of tribe with Jewish tribe as you insist throughout the NT makes no sense. Its like an IQ test, which phrase does not fit:

a. Every Jewish tribe
b. Every language
c. Every people
d. Every nation​

That’s more than just tribe. All through the NT it’s tribe, tribe, tribe, tribe. In Revelation, it’s expanded to include not just the tribes, but every tongue, please, and nations. It’s like scripture goes from just Jerusalem and Judea, and expands to Samaria and all the earth.

 

[Hammster]

No, Matthew 24:30 and Daniel 7:1 are not even close.

Interesting. How about this?


The oracle concerning Egypt.
Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence,
And the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.
— Isaiah 19:1

 

[Hammster]

After you can prove summer is not harvest time.

I’ll take this as an admitted that harvest isn’t mentioned.

 

[John Mullally]

Interesting. How about this?


The oracle concerning Egypt.
Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence,
And the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.
— Isaiah 19:1

For starters, Isaiah 19:1 is confined to Egypt; whereas Matthew 24:30 is world-wide. In addition, this does not even match your own view of Matthew 24:30 where you view it as applying to some or all of the Jewish tribes - remember our lengthy interaction?

 

[Timtofly]

I’ll take this as an admitted that harvest isn’t mentioned.

It is a parable.

 

[John Mullally]

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[John Mullally]

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[John Mullally]

The parable was about a fig tree, Israel. It was also about a harvest. It was not necessarily about summer. Summer just happens to be the time of harvest. This parable is seen in contrast to cursing Israel which Jesus did in the Temple in chapter 23. Although the event was also symbolized by Jesus cursing a fig tree out of season as well. A prophetic display done in a physical act.

Because the parable states:

"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (blooming), ye know that summer (time of harvest) is nigh:"

This parable is not about "telling the seasons". It is about a bloom and a harvest. It is really not even a sign. It is about an event, that one generation will experience, and further more all the other events as well.

How soon is summer, if you yourself, place 40 years between two events? One event being the OD the other being in 70AD.

No harvest is mentioned. Do you want to try again?

After you can prove summer is not harvest time.

I’ll take this as an admitted that harvest isn’t mentioned.

I am not surprised by this predictable response.

 

[Hammster]

For starters, Isaiah 19:1 is confined to Egypt; whereas Matthew 24:30 is world-wide. In addition, this does not even match your own view of Matthew 24:30 where you view it as applying to some or all of the Jewish tribes - remember our lengthy interaction?

In either passage, does coming on the clouds match up with how you think it’s used in Matthew 24:30?

 

[Hammster]

I am not surprised by this predictable response.

Of course. He said it referred to harvest. When I asked him to show that the harvest was in the parable, he couldn’t.

 

[Hammster]

It is a parable.

It’s still up to you to show that harvest is in view. That’s your claim.

 

[John Mullally]

In either passage, does coming on the clouds match up with how you think it’s used in Matthew 24:30?

There are the cloud similarities; but as I have shown the passages cannot be referring to the Matthew 24:30 event.

Here is a funny Peanuts cartoon relating cloud formations to an event in the book of Acts. Can this be telling us something?https://www.pinterest.com/pin/22306960635106900/

 

[Jamdoc]

The idea is now. I agree. The idea is not yet, I also agree in the sense that it’s still growing, and will continue to grow until it fills the earth. That’s why we must go and make disciples.

making it the dominant world religion is not what is meant by the fullness of the kingdom. It's barely a shadow.
If you have to witness to a suicidal person, you give them 0 hope if you tell them this is the new heaven and new earth and is basically as good as it's gonna get but Christianity will be more popular.

All they'd have to look forward to is dying.

 

[Jamdoc]

I am not a Preterist, but I do believe Daniel 9 is long-fulfilled and that the Great Tribulation was in AD70.

I strongly oppose the unhealthy and deeply grievous fixation Preterists have with the coming of Titus and AD70. That is all they want to talk about. It is so wrong and so unscriptural.

So you do realize that makes you a partial preterist right?

The same thing I pose to partial preterists applies here then.
In the verse the OP is about, the generation won't pass away until ALL THESE THINGS be fulfilled. ALL THESE THINGS includes Matthew 24:29-31 which is His second coming.
How can you justify a gap of thousands of years?

 

[Hammster]

There are the cloud similarities; but as I have shown the passages cannot be referring to the Matthew 24:30 event.

Here is a funny Peanuts cartoon relating cloud formations to an event in the book of Acts. Can this be telling us something?https://www.pinterest.com/pin/22306960635106900/

So for you, it’s outside the realm of possibilities that Christ would use OT language, correct?

 

[Hammster]

making it the dominant world religion is not what is meant by the fullness of the kingdom. It's barely a shadow.
If you have to witness to a suicidal person, you give them 0 hope if you tell them this is the new heaven and new earth and is basically as good as it's gonna get but Christianity will be more popular.

All they'd have to look forward to is dying.

You might want to read my post before responding.

“it’s still growing, and will continue to grow until it fills the earth”