This generation

[trophy33]

the other thing of note.. is that Jesus Himself did not know when this would happen.
He knew what would happen, and He knew it'd happen in a short time frame.
But He Himself did not know when.
He PROFESSED He did not know when.

Mark 13

He did not know about day or hour, but He knew in which generation it will happen. As He said manytimes.

 

[Jamdoc]

He did not know about day or hour, but He knew in which generation it will happen. As He said manytimes.

Then explain how world wide, we do not culturally have records around the world about the second coming of Christ happening, which every eye on earth would see, and why Sin and Death still exist.

 

[trophy33]

Then explain how world wide, we do not culturally have records around the world about the second coming of Christ happening, which every eye on earth would see, and why Sin and Death still exist.

Even though the Jewish apocalypic language seems to be worldwide, it was meant for Israel and close areas. Not for Japan or Australia.

And many fulfillments were meant to be spiritual, inside the kingdom of God. Not physical.

 

[Hammster]

How about if He's also thinking of everyone generated from Adam. Every one born from Adam among whom there is no greater than John.

I’m not sure what your point is.

 

[Hammster]

So why do sin and death still exist?
If Revelation has already been fulfilled.
sin and death shouldn't exist.

and yes, Revelation ties into Matthew 24.
Jesus mentions the 6th seal.
and Matthew 24 has His return, and the rapture.
The most profound event in human history, where EVERY EYE will see Him.. and yet we don't find it recorded in history all around the world?
We have history of Noah's flood all around the world.
But no second coming of Jesus recorded by the Mayans and Aztecs and Chinese?

and no
throwing around the word "spiritual" is not a get out of jail free card.

Your statements are too general. I am not sure how they relate to the OP. I cannot respond because of that.

 

[Hammster]

Context of the verse



"this generation" is the one that sees the fig tree bring forth new leaves (70AD was the withering, not the bringing forth new leaves)

His point was that when you see fruit trees start to bloom, you know fruit is to follow. Jesus gave signs of the end of the age. Don’t make it more than it is.

 

[Jamdoc]

Your statements are too general. I am not sure how they relate to the OP. I cannot respond because of that.

the OD was about the second coming of Jesus. After the second coming of Jesus, there's a new heaven, and a new earth, where there is no more death.

Revelation 21

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Those things still currently exist.

 

[Hammster]

Then explain how world wide, we do not culturally have records around the world about the second coming of Christ happening, which every eye on earth would see, and why Sin and Death still exist.

Nothing in the OD talks about this being worldwide.

 

[Hammster]

the OD was about the second coming of Jesus. After the second coming of Jesus, there's a new heaven, and a new earth, where there is no more death.

Revelation 21


Those things still currently exist.

The OD was about the end of the age, not about the second advent.

 

[Jamdoc]

His point was that when you see fruit trees start to bloom, you know fruit is to follow. Jesus gave signs of the end of the age. Don’t make it more than it is.

but it obviously is more, because if AD70 was it, then the bible is so much bluff and exaggeration that it could be considered lying, and why should we trust anything god says when it's all exaggeration instead of delivering on what was promised?

there are essentially 3 possibilities.

A. Preterism is real, but god exaggerated the results so much that it's a big nothingburger, and outright lied about some things such as physical resurrection.
B. Jesus was lying about being God and none of it is real, and he's never coming back, because what was promised in the bible didn't at all happen in AD70, just the temple was destroyed by chance. Might as well be atheists at that point.
C. It will happen, as God promised, and God does not break promises or exaggerate, but it hasn't happened yet and only God the Father knows when it will happen.

Obviously I go with C because I don't believe God lies or exaggerates, and I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.

 

[Jamdoc]

The OD was about the end of the age, not about the second advent.

Oh really?

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Note it's end of the world, not just age

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Sounds like the second coming of Jesus to me.

 

[JosephZ]

History tells us that no one was alive after 65AD, who heard that message, except John who later wrote Revelation. John did not see Israel become a nation at any time during the first century.

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples.... Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.." (Matthew 23:1,36)

Keep in mind when reading this that when you see the word “nation” in the context of Scripture that it does not have the same meaning as the English word "country" (which usually denotes a place of fixed borders and stable government), but rather of a people or nationality. God never intended for their to be a physical or political country called Israel.

 

[Hammster]

but it obviously is more, because if AD70 was it, then the bible is so much bluff and exaggeration that it could be considered lying, and why should we trust anything god says when it's all exaggeration instead of delivering on what was promised?

there are essentially 3 possibilities.

A. Preterism is real, but god exaggerated the results so much that it's a big nothingburger, and outright lied about some things such as physical resurrection.
B. Jesus was lying about being God and none of it is real, and he's never coming back, because what was promised in the bible didn't at all happen in AD70, just the temple was destroyed by chance. Might as well be atheists at that point.
C. It will happen, as God promised, and God does not break promises or exaggerate, but it hasn't happened yet and only God the Father knows when it will happen.

Obviously I go with C because I don't believe God lies or exaggerates, and I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.

What it really is is that Jesus is describing what to look for prior to the destruction of the temple. And that’s how it played out in that generation.

 

[Hammster]

Oh really?


Note it's end of the world, not just age


Sounds like the second coming of Jesus to me.

You may want to look up the word for “world”.

 

[Jamdoc]

You may want to look up the word for “world”.

you didn't respond to the second part, which was clearly the 2nd advent, that is in the Olivet Discourse, and that is something that "this generation" would see before passing away.

 

[Hammster]

you didn't respond to the second part, which was clearly the 2nd advent, that is in the Olivet Discourse, and that is something that "this generation" would see before passing away.

You say it’s clearly the second advent. Have you ever looked up the verse He’s quoting in the OT?

 

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[John Mullally]

Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
— Matthew 24:34

Ideas and words must be added or read into this to make it fit a particular view. However, taken at face value, like the other instances, simply means that the generation that Jesus was speaking to were those in view, not some eisegesical generation in the future.

The "this generation" that Jesus is talking about in Matthew 24:34 is different than the current generation which Jesus refers to in your myriad of scriptural references prior to that.

We all know to understand any passage you must as a minimum read what precedes and follows it. In this case, the generation of Matthew 24:34 is that generation that sees the second coming (based upon surrounding verses: Matthew 24:27, Matthew 24:36, Matthew 24:42, and Matthew 24:44). Jesus's second coming has not taken place - He has not yet judged the earth and set up His millennial kingdom yet.

 

[RandyPNW]

What do these all have in common? They are all taking about the generation that Jesus is speaking. However, there are eschatological views that expect us to ignore this language in Matthew 24.


Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
— Matthew 24:34

Ideas and words must be added or read into this to make it fit a particular view. However, taken at face value, like the other instances, simply means that the generation that Jesus was speaking to were those in view, not some eisegesical generation in the future.

Yes, I've been saying this for years, but it falls often on deaf ears. People hear what they want to hear. I'm not a Preterist, but I agree with the Preterists that Jesus referred to *his own generation* in this verse!

 

[3 Resurrections]

there are essentially 3 possibilities.

Why only 3 possibilities? I maintain there is a 4th possibility that reconciles all the differences between the different parties.