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Could "this generation" be interpreted as "humanity"?


I tend to think it could be interpreted as this present age. IOW, this present age will not pass, until all is fulfilled first. That seems to agree with 2 Peter 3 since it is this present age that is passing away in those verses in order to replace it with a new age, meaning a new heaven and a new earth. It's not like 'age' is not one of the things genea means.
 
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From 1074. genea :

3. the whole multitude of men living at the same time: Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 1:48 (πᾶσαι αἱ γενεαί); ; Philippians 2:15; used especially of the Jewish race living at one and the same period: Matthew 11:16; Matthew 12:39, 41f, 45; Matthew 16:4; Matthew 23:36; Mark 8:12, 38; Luke 11:29f, 32, 50; Luke 17:25; Acts 13:36; Hebrews 3:10; ἄνθρωποι τῆς γενεάς ταύτης, Luke 7:31; ἄνδρες τῆς γενεάς ταύτης, Luke 11:31; τήν δέ γενεάν αὐτοῦ τίς διηγήσεται, who can describe the wickedness of the present generation, Acts 8:33 (from Isaiah 53:8 the Sept.) (but cf. Meyer, at the passage).

This encompasses most of the Scriptures cited in the OP.
 
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There's a couple of problems I see with interpreting "this generation" as being the people Jesus was talking to, as you believe. The people He was talking to were part of "this generation", but they alone did not make up "this generation".

The first problem with your interpretation is that most of the people He was talking to would've been dead before 70 AD. So, how could He have been talking about destruction coming upon those people in 70 AD when most of them would've been dead already by then?

Also, are you taking the verses that follow Matthew 24:34 into account when interpreting that verse?

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Heaven and earth have not yet passed away. To me, Jesus is saying that this generation would pass away when heaven and earth pass away. So, this generation cannot possibly have passed away yet.

Also, He said no one knows the day or hour when that will happen. How does that apply to anything that happened in 70 AD? What happened in 70 AD that people were not aware of until it happened? That they couldn't see coming at all ahead of time, in other words? Jesus said in verses 37-39 that His coming would occur after the days that would be like the days of Noah when people were oblivious to the flood that was coming. How can that be compared to what happened in 70 AD? People knew what was coming at that time when they saw the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem, so His claim that no one would know the day or hour had nothing to do with what happened in 70 AD.

He was particularly talking about no one knowing the day or hour of His second coming which He also indicated in other verses like Matthew 24:42-44 and Matthew 25:13. On what day or hour did He come in 70 AD that no one knew about beforehand? It makes no sense at all to apply verses 35 and 36 to 70 AD, so that means it makes no sense to apply verse 34 to 70 AD, either.

When Jesus referred to "this generation", it was not just to people He was talking to at the time. He held "this generation" responsible even for the blood of Abel and of the prophet Zechariah (Matt 23:35). Obviously, the people He was talking to did not kill Abel or Zechariah. So, He was talking about a type of people. A type of people that were evil, wicked and adulterous. Yes, the Jews who rejected Him and had Him killed were those type of people. Yes, they were judged in 70 AD and God's wrath came down on them, but Jesus wasn't just talking about them in Matthew 24:34. What Jesus was saying in Matthew 24:34 is that type of people (evil, wicked, adulterous) will not pass away until Jesus returns and burns up the heavens and earth (2 Peter 3:10-12) which will cause them to pass away (as we know them).

Those that try to say that "this generation" refers to some future chronological generation are wrong as well. He was not just talking about people alive at the time He was speaking nor only about people that would be alive in a future time. He was talking about a type of "generation" (Greek: genea) who were evil and adulterous. Even Cain was part of "this generation" since Jesus indicated that "this generation" killed Abel. So, He was clearly not just referring to the Jews only when referring to "this generation", but to anyone who was like those who killed innocent people like Abel and the prophets. This generation is still around today as there are still evil and adulterous (spiritually adulterous against God) people in the world. And that will continue to be the case until the glorious return of Jesus Christ in the future.

What both preterists and futurists fail to recognize is that in the Olivet Discourse Jesus talked both about a local event that was going to occur in and around Jerusalem (which happened in 70 AD) AND a global event that would occur in the future relating to His second coming at the end of this temporal age. As long as that is the case, you will continue to misinterpret (at least part of) the Olivet Discourse.
You’ve misinterpreted the Olivet Discourse, and ignored the previous uses of “this generation” because it doesn’t fit your understanding. If “this generation” is used consistently, then we have to see the OD as being fulfilled in the first century, which is easy to do using proper hermeneutics.
 
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Some of you aren't factoring things in, or are interpreting what should be factored in, incorrectly. Such as the times of the Gentiles. That has be fulfilled before this generation can pass. If you argue it was fulfilled before this generation passed, this proves my point in regards to factoring something in, but then interpreting it incorrectly. Clearly, the times of the Gentiles have not been fulfilled since we are still in those times as we speak. Clearly, Jesus said all must be fulfilled before this generation can pass away. Clearly, this has to include the times of the Gentiles running it's course, which means that until the period of time that involves comes and goes, those times haven't been fulfilled yet. Though they are being fulfilled as we speak, that is not the same as fulfilled though, since the latter means those times are over with entirely, which simply isn't the case yet.
If you want to make “this generation” to not mean “this generation” then you might have an argument.
 
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"ideas and words must be added or read into this to make it fit a particular view. However, taken at face value, like the other instances, simply means that the generation that Jesus was speaking to were those in view, not some eisegesical generation in the future."

Hi :) you said "taken at face value" yet you not the word you told us who Jesus was really speaking to. Now He was asked about the future the end no? He told them who asked what they would see and those that see that.. they are the last gen. Thats how I simply read and understand it. Also for the 1st time in history we are seeing all those things happen at one time. Knowing OT said Israel would become a nation in a day.. wow that happened and she is blooming.

Praise GOD glory to Jesus
He asked for the signs of the end of the age. That’s what He gave them.
 
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Could "this generation" be interpreted as "humanity"?
You’d have to explain why He would change the usage, especially when He could have said that humanity would not pass away.
 
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It is plain that Jesus was speaking Prophetically to the disciples at that time:
Luke 21:29-36 Jesus told them a parable: Look at the fig tree, as soon as it buds you can tell that summer is near. In the same way when you see all this happening, you will know that the Kingdom of God is near. Truly, I tell you the present generation will live to see it all. My words will never pass away.

Be on your guard, do not let your minds be dulled by dissipation or worldly cares so that the great Day catches you unawares, for that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over. Be on the alert, praying at all times for strength to pass safely through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man.
Ref: REB

The present generation - or the generation present: the same thing. When they; those alive to see Judah become a nation again, we will know the end times are upon us.

The fig tree – Israel is the vine, Judah is the fig tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10. The parable of the fig tree applies to the House of Judah, Matthew 21:43. Therefore when Judah starts to bud, that is: becomes a nation again, as they formed the State of Israel in May 1948, then within that generation, [a lifetime of 70 to 80 years] the end times events will commence. Ezekiel 12:25

The great Day – The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the multi prophesied judgement/punishment of the nations, an event that will come unexpectedly, sudden and shocking all those who have failed to understand the Lord's plans and purposes. Isaiah 29:5-12, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17

That Day will come upon everyone There is no ‘rapture’ at this time, all will go through this judgement. Isaiah 24:1, Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8

Strength to pass safely through – This is often mistranslated as ‘escape all these things’, which is a serious error and is incorrect, as the previous sentence has just stated ‘that Day will come upon everyone’. What the Lord promises, is not a removal from earth – an escape as such, but protection. Psalms 91, Isaiah 43:1-2

The presence of the Son of Man – Jesus called Himself the ‘Son of Man’, when He was present on earth in a human body. This was necessary so as He could become our ‘kinsman Redeemer’. After the great Day of the Lord, when every faithful Christian has gathered in the holy Land, they will stand in His presence when the 144,000 are selected; Revelation 14:1. Then, later at His glorious Return, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords; His Name will be ‘The Word of God’. Revelation 19:13
You have to add words to the verse to make it work.
 
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You’ve misinterpreted the Olivet Discourse, and ignored the previous uses of “this generation” because it doesn’t fit your understanding. If “this generation” is used consistently, then we have to see the OD as being fulfilled in the first century, which is easy to do using proper hermeneutics.
This is a weak response. You think you can just tell me I misinterpreted the Olivet Discourse and that makes it so? Think again. Why did you not respond specifically to anything I said in my post? Because you can't? You're not able to back up your claims? All you can do is basically say "no, you're wrong" and that's the best you can do in response to a challenge to your view?

Tell me how the angels already gathered the elect from heaven and earth. If you think you have such a great handle on the Olivet Discourse then I'm sure you can explain this to me in a very clear and convincing way.
 
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You’d have to explain why He would change the usage, especially when He could have said that humanity would not pass away.
Did He not imply that heaven and earth would pass away when this generation passed away? Or do you prefer to not allow the surrounding verses to help you in interpreting any given verse?
 
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Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Heaven and earth have not yet passed away. To me, Jesus is saying that this generation would pass away when heaven and earth pass away. So, this generation cannot possibly have passed away yet.
Since the Bible is a historical reference to the nation of Israel and creation of the Church, we must look everything written from a historical point of view. When you look at Matthew 24 from a purely historical perspective, then it's clear that it means exactly what it says.

There is going to be tribulation, Jesus is going to return, and Judgment Day will occur before that generation of people all died.

We know that Jesus would not deceive His followers. When He said generation, He was speaking in a language that the people of that time clearly understood and they were expecting Him to return in the time frame that He stated. Jesus told His followers that everything was going to come to pass in their lifetime. After His prophesy of the last days and the coming day of the Lord He says:

"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away." (Matthew 24:34-35)

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power." (Mark 9:1)

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God" (Luke 9:27)

Before this He told His followers: "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:27-28)

And why would Jesus tell Caiaphas that he would witness this?

"But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? And Jesus said, I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven. (Mark 14:61-62)

And why would Jesus lead His disciples to believe that some would be alive when He returns?

Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?” (John 21:22-23)

Jesus told many that the events he spoke of would occur in their time.

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples.... Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.." (Matthew 23:1,36)

The High Priest:

"nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 60:64)

Peter, James, John and Andrew:

“ they (all the tribes of the earth) shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory…This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." (Matthew 24:30,34)

"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken....this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. " (Mark 13:24,25,30)

"For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled... for the powers of heaven shall be shaken… This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22,26,32)

Nathaniel:

"you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. " (John 1:51)

Revelation predicted that even the Jews who crucified Jesus would see His return:

"behold, He is coming in the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him" (Revelation 1:7)

Are those who killed Jesus still alive today?


Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…” (Hebrews 1:1-2)

“Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.” (1 Corinthians 10:11)

“And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:24-25)

“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away. (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)

"Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.(1 John 2:18)

Would John tell people of that day it was "the last hour" if it were 2000 years or more away?

The scriptures above show that the Apostles believed without any doubt that the end was very near. They make it clear that they believed they were living in the last days and that the end of the world as they knew it was about to come.

The Book of Revelation is about the destruction of Israel, Christ's victory over His enemies, and in the establishment of the Church. It prophesies the judgment of God on Israel and shows us that the ungodly will never prevail against God’s Kingdom.

The Book of Revelation makes it clear that all events were going to soon take place. There is no reason for anyone today to believe that the events prophesied in revelation would be occurring 2000+ years in the future.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, everything that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads, and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things which are written in it; for the time is near. (Revelation 1:1-3)

I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.” (Revelation 3:11)

“And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true”; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place.” (Revelation 22:6)

“And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.” (Revelation 22:7)

“And he said to me, ‘Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. (Revelation 22:10)

“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.” (Revelation 22:12)

"He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.”Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.” (Revelation 22:20)

Based on the verses above, common sense alone should tell us that the events spoken about in Revelation had to occur during the time of the Apostles and the early Church.


“When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.... For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written." (Luke 21:20,22)

If the prophesies as written did not come true, Jesus and those before Him would be a false prophets according to the scripture definition found in Deuteronomy 18:22.

"If the prophet speaks in the LORD's name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the LORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared."

It's also important to consider that Jesus said the Kingdom of God would come without observation:

"Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:20-21)

The coming Kingdom that the prophets and Jesus spoke of was spiritual not physical. It has already arrived according to the Bible. Jesus dwells in all of those who believe. His kingdom is here and now.

"I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." (Gal. 2:20)

Matthew 5:18 should erase any doubt that Heaven and earth have indeed passed away.

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, UNTIL heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

Notice that Jesus said heaven and earth had to pass away BEFORE the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law.

Clearly the physical heaven and earth have not been destroyed, but Jesus did say UNTIL heaven and earth pass away the old Law could not pass. So that means that if the "heaven and earth" spoken of was the physical heaven and earth then that would mean that the old Law is still in effect. But we know this is not true.

"But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." (Romans 7:6)

"In speaking of a new covenant,” He has made the first one obsolete;" (Romans 8:13)

We also have Jesus' own words as to when all prophecy was to be fulfilled in Luke 21.

In verse 22 Jesus spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem and said "These be the days of vengeance in which ALL THINGS WRITTEN MUST BE FULFILLED." And in verse 32 He says "this generation will not pass away until ALL THINGS TAKE PLACE." And finally, in verse 33 Jesus says that "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words will by no means pass away."

History tells us that in 70AD, within the generation of those Jesus spoke to, the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed and the city was left ruined and desolate. The heaven and earth Jesus was speaking of passed away.
 
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This is a weak response. You think you can just tell me I misinterpreted the Olivet Discourse and that makes it so? Think again. Why did you not respond specifically to anything I said in my post? Because you can't? You're not able to back up your claims? All you can do is basically say "no, you're wrong" and that's the best you can do in response to a challenge to your view?

Tell me how the angels already gathered the elect from heaven and earth. If you think you have such a great handle on the Olivet Discourse then I'm sure you can explain this to me in a very clear and convincing way.
I know that you’ve misinterpreted the OD because you’ve misinterpreted “this generation”. That’s just at face value.

As to the gathering,

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
— Matthew 28:18-20
 
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Did He not imply that heaven and earth would pass away when this generation passed away? Or do you prefer to not allow the surrounding verses to help you in interpreting any given verse?
I prefer to let scripture interpret scripture. If you can show how the other instances don't mean the generation that generation He’s talking to, I’ll be willing to listen.
 
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Did He not imply that heaven and earth would pass away when this generation passed away? Or do you prefer to not allow the surrounding verses to help you in interpreting any given verse?

It's hyperbole. Heaven and earth passing away is used also in Luke:

Luk 16:17 “And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.

In Matthew:

Mat 24:35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The meaning is the same. It would be easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the prophecy not to be fulfilled.
 
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History tells us that in 70AD, within the generation of those Jesus spoke to, the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed and the city was left ruined and desolate. The heaven and earth Jesus was speaking of passed away.
History tells us that no one was alive after 65AD, who heard that message, except John who later wrote Revelation. John did not see Israel become a nation at any time during the first century.
 
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“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children,
— Matthew 11:16


“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children,
— Matthew 11:16

The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. The Queen of the South will rise up with this generation at the judgment and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
— Matthew 12:41-42


Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.”
— Matthew 12:45


Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.”
— Matthew 12:45

And Jesus answered and said, “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him here to Me.”
— Matthew 17:17


Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
— Matthew 23:36


Sighing deeply in His spirit, He said, “Why does this generation seek for a sign? Truly I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation.”
— Mark 8:12


For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
— Mark 8:38


And He answered them and said, “O unbelieving generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him to Me!”
— Mark 9:19


Etc.

What do these all have in common? They are all taking about the generation that Jesus is speaking. However, there are eschatological views that expect us to ignore this language in Matthew 24.


Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
— Matthew 24:34

Ideas and words must be added or read into this to make it fit a particular view. However, taken at face value, like the other instances, simply means that the generation that Jesus was speaking to were those in view, not some eisegesical generation in the future.
How about if He's also thinking of everyone generated from Adam. Every one born from Adam among whom there is no greater than John.
 
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“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children,
— Matthew 11:16


“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children,
— Matthew 11:16

The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. The Queen of the South will rise up with this generation at the judgment and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
— Matthew 12:41-42


Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.”
— Matthew 12:45


Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.”
— Matthew 12:45

And Jesus answered and said, “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him here to Me.”
— Matthew 17:17


Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
— Matthew 23:36


Sighing deeply in His spirit, He said, “Why does this generation seek for a sign? Truly I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation.”
— Mark 8:12


For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
— Mark 8:38


And He answered them and said, “O unbelieving generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him to Me!”
— Mark 9:19


Etc.

What do these all have in common? They are all taking about the generation that Jesus is speaking. However, there are eschatological views that expect us to ignore this language in Matthew 24.


Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
— Matthew 24:34

Ideas and words must be added or read into this to make it fit a particular view. However, taken at face value, like the other instances, simply means that the generation that Jesus was speaking to were those in view, not some eisegesical generation in the future.

So why do sin and death still exist?
If Revelation has already been fulfilled.
sin and death shouldn't exist.

and yes, Revelation ties into Matthew 24.
Jesus mentions the 6th seal.
and Matthew 24 has His return, and the rapture.
The most profound event in human history, where EVERY EYE will see Him.. and yet we don't find it recorded in history all around the world?
We have history of Noah's flood all around the world.
But no second coming of Jesus recorded by the Mayans and Aztecs and Chinese?

and no
throwing around the word "spiritual" is not a get out of jail free card.
 
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I prefer to let scripture interpret scripture. If you can show how the other instances don't mean the generation that generation He’s talking to, I’ll be willing to listen.

Context of the verse

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

"this generation" is the one that sees the fig tree bring forth new leaves (70AD was the withering, not the bringing forth new leaves)
 
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Context of the verse

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

"this generation" is the one that sees the fig tree bring forth new leaves (70AD was the withering, not the bringing forth new leaves)
So, you basically say that "you" means "they" and "this" means "that", correct?
 
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History tells us that no one was alive after 65AD, who heard that message, except John


Jesus answered [to Peter], “If I want him [John] to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”
J 21:22
 
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So, you basically say that "you" means "they" and "this" means "that", correct?

the other thing of note.. is that Jesus Himself did not know when this would happen.
He knew what would happen, and He knew it'd happen in a short time frame.
But He Himself did not know when.
He PROFESSED He did not know when.

Mark 13
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
 
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