Third Temple

[SeventyOne]

Except for Divine complications.

Those who scorn the lessons of Scripture and history are condemned to repeat them.

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII

Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and opressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.

Only thing this shows is the time to allow for the rebuilding of the Temple has not come yet. The Temple plays a role at the end of the age and not before.

 

[jgr]

Only thing this shows is the time to allow for the rebuilding of the Temple has not come yet. The Temple plays a role at the end of the age and not before.

God's response showed that such a time will never come.

 

[SeventyOne]

God's response showed that such a time will never come.

That is one interpretation of it.

 

[SwordmanJr]

None of this is true. The "secular government" of Israel has no plans for a third temple. It would involve all kinds of complications, including breaking a treaty with Jordan on the Temple Mount. There is no sign at the Wailing Wall about any imaginary rebuilding of the temple.

Many rabbis oppose any attempt to rebuild the temple for religious reasons. There is no interest in going back to animal sacrifice.

Here's a challenge for anyone who claims there are serious plans to rebuild the temple. Show me one story from the Jerusalem Post that backs up that claim.

Oh yeah? And I challenge you to show me from the Jerusalem Post where they ever said that mankind will never achieve exceeding travel in excess of the speed of light!...

Uh.......yeah......

Jr

 

[Semper-Fi]

Where eschatology is concerned, we have been puzzled over the things said about the third temple, about the antichrist desecrating that temple....

Thoughts?

Jr

Some Info about temple and sacrifices

Dan 12:4
[..seal the book, to the time of the end: ..]
The book of Daniel is for this end time.

(KJV+)
Dan 12:11And from the timeH4480 H6256 "that"
the dailyH8548 "sacrifice" shall be taken away,

[..from the time the daily shall be taken away,]

The Cambridge Bible reads,
[..the continual shall be taken away,]

Daniel 12:11, Daniel 8:12 “sacrifice” is in
italics and should be left out of the translation.

We all know Jesus one sacrifice is done,
there is no more physical sacrifices required.

“By the which will we are sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all”

Today we are the Temple. 1 Corinthians 3:16
" Know ye not that ye are the [temple] of God,
and "that" the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

G3485
?a?´? , naos , nah-os'
From a primary word ?a?´? naio¯ (to dwell); a fane,
shrine, temple: - shrine, temple. Compare G2411.

1 Corinthians 3:17 templeG3485
1 Corinthians 6:19 templeG3485
2 Corinthians 6:16 templeG3485

“Ye also, as lively stones, are built up
[a spiritual house], an holy priesthood,
to offer up [spiritual sacrifices], acceptable
to God by Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 2:5).

Spirit-led people can, or should see the
spiritual counterpart to the physical
sacrifices in the bible. We are a spiritual
sacrifice for God today (Romans 12:1).
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2 Thessalonians 2:4 , templeG3485

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the [temple]
of God, shewing himself that he is God.

John 2:19 templeG3485
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy
this [temple], and in three days I will raise it up.

John 2:21 templeG3485, [body]G4983
But he spake of the temple of his [body].

G4983
s??µa , so¯ma, so'-mah
From G4982; the body (as a sound whole),
used in a very wide application, literally
or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave.

This is not the same as the Physical temples.

Mark 14:58
We heard him say, I will destroy this temple
that is made with hands, and within three days
I will build another made without hands.

A temple made with hands, to
another temple made without hands.
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Matthew 21:12, the [temple] here different
"And Jesus went into the [temple] of God,
and cast out all them that sold and bought
in the temple,

G2411
??e??´?, hieron, hee-er-on'
Neuter of G2413; a sacred place, that is, the
entire precincts (whereas G3485 denotes
the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple
(at Jerusalem or elsewhere): - temple.

Mark 14:49 templeG2411
I was daily with you in the [temple] teaching

Matthew 24:1 templeG2411, [buildings]G3619
to shew him the [buildings] of the temple

G3619
?????d?µ?´, oikodome¯, oy-kod-om-ay'
Feminine (abstraction) of a compound of G3624
and the base of G1430; architecture, that is,
(concretely) a structure; figuratively confirmation:
- building, edify (-ication, -ing).
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or Daniel 5:3 templeH1965
????, he^ykal, hay-kal'
(Chaldee); corresponding to H1964: - palace, temple.

H1964
????, he^yka^l, hay-kawl'
Probably from H3201 (in the sense of capacity);
a large public building, such as a palace or temple:
- palace, temple.
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Christ is the High Priest of the spiritual temple,
the Church. The sacrificial system was re-
placed by Christ’s sacrifice (Hebrews 8:13).
(Hebrews 10:11-12). The Levitical priesthood
was removed and re-placed by the Melchisedec
priesthood (Hebrews 7).

“Now where remission of these is, there is
no more offering for sin” (Hebrews 10:18)

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which
he hath consecrated for us, through the veil,
that is to say, his flesh; And having an highpriest
over the house of God”. We have a new way
to live and a High Priest over God’s house.
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There will be another temple [3rd]during the mill,
Christ will be responsible for building the
Ezekiel temple (Ezekiel 40:1, 3, 14).

He does the measuring physically and
spiritually (verses 19, 23, 28, 32).

Christ is measuring the spiritual templeG3485
today (Revelation 11:1). Revelation 3:12
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Ezekiel’s temple is called a house of prayer.
every place incense shall be offered -Malachi 1:11

Incense is a type of our prayers (Revelation 8:3).
God is addressing His own Church and its
spiritual problems and prayers.

The Lord filled the house” (Ezekiel 43:1-5,
6-7) God is going to dwell in our midst.

Christ will have His office in the holy of holies
during the Millennium. After that, God the
Father will comedown, and both Christ and
our Father will be located in new Jerusalem.
-

“Two women shall begrinding at the mill; the
one shall be taken, and the other left”
(Matthew 24:41). The Philadelphian woman
(or Church) is taken to a place of safety.
The Laodicean woman is left behind.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear
what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
-

“Blessed is that servant, whom his lord
when he cometh shall find [so doing]” .

They that [continue doing] the Work of God.
"If ye continue in my word John 8:31

Let brotherly love continue Hebrews 13:1
Continue in prayer and watch Colossians 4:2
continuing instant in prayer Romans 12:12
And they continued stedfastly Acts 2:42
all continued with one accord Acts 1:14

But continue thou in the things which
thou hast learned 2 Timothy 3:14

The Daily, or the Continual is the Work of
Gods church, that will never be destroyed.
"the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
Matthew 16:18.

 

[parousia70]

And yet that temple is called holy where the antichrist will desecrate it. How can the antichrist enter into Christ and desecrate Christ? I'm not completely following your thought.

Jr

You first hurdle seems to be showing, Biblically, How antichrist of 1st and 2nd John is the Biblical personality that "desecrates the temple".

 

[parousia70]

Reference please.

1 John 2:18-19
2 John 1:7
1 John 4:1-3
1 John 2:22-23

it is written that it will be a holy place the antichrist can desecrate.

Reference please.
Where is it written that antichrist desecrates this temple?

 

[parousia70]

I don't expect anyone will have any more luck building a third Jewish temple than everyone else who tried before:
WHAT ALWAYS HAPPENES WHEN JEWS TRY TO REBUILD THE TEMPLE

 

[Freedm]

Premils, do not take Scripture and apply it where it does not belong. We rightly divide the Word of Truth. No where in the NT is there any hint or symbolism of the length of the present condition of a spiritual temple.

Not even a hint? How about six hints?

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

John 6:40
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Martha also mentioned it in John chapter 11.

John 11:24
Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Even Daniel was told that he would rise at the end of days.

Daniel 12:13
As for you, go your way until the end. You will rest, then at the end of days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.

You say you "rightly divide the word of truth" but correct me if I'm wrong, would you not claim that when Jesus referred to the "last day" he actually meant "the last day before the millennium", though it does not actually say that?

 

[Timtofly]

Not even a hint? How about six hints?

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

John 6:40
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Martha also mentioned it in John chapter 11.

John 11:24
Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Even Daniel was told that he would rise at the end of days.

Daniel 12:13
As for you, go your way until the end. You will rest, then at the end of days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.

You say you "rightly divide the word of truth" but correct me if I'm wrong, would you not claim that when Jesus referred to the "last day" he actually meant "the last day before the millennium", though it does not actually say that?

None of this states 1990 years.

 

[Jipsah]

Your rejection of the still pending plans for national Israel has screwed up your outlook.

Those "pending plans" are pure fantasy.

 

[parousia70]

They are fully prepared to do so at a moment's notice. All material has been obtained, priests named and trained

Who are these Priests with the demonstrable Levitical lineage?

How did they demonstrate that lineage?

Do they (or you) know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ezra 2:63)??
They are biblically necessary to discern priestly genealogy of purported Jews who lost their familial records after being scattered (which would be every and any purported Jew alive today).

Does the scripture mandating their use as divination devices for genealogic determination matter anymore? Should we get out a sharpie and just redact Ezra 2:63 from our bibles?

Someone who already has proven priestly genealogy (which would be no one today) needs to find them and consult with them before any Temple rituals can take place, according to the Law...

Now, since Modern Jews don't follow the Law (which Biblically makes them uncircumcised heathen in Gods eyes according to scripture) they probably don't much care.

 

[SeventyOne]

Who are these Priests with the demonstrable Levitical lineage?

How did they demonstrate that lineage?

Do they (or you) know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ezra 2:63)??
They are biblically necessary to discern priestly genealogy of purported Jews who lost their familial records after being scattered (which would be every and any purported Jew alive today).

Does the scripture mandating their use as divination devices for genealogic determination matter anymore? Should we get out a sharpie and just redact Ezra 2:63 from our bibles?

Someone who already has proven priestly genealogy (which would be no one today) needs to find them and consult with them before any Temple rituals can take place, according to the Law...

Now, since Modern Jews don't follow the Law (which Biblically makes them uncircumcised heathen in Gods eyes according to scripture) they probably don't much care.

You're asking the questions as if I had a hand in the selection. I did not. Here's some info on their selection and training of the priests and the nest High Priest, Rabbi Baruch Kahane.

Sanhedrin Appoints High Priest in Preparation for Third Temple - Israel365 News | Latest News. Biblical Perspective.
School Year Begins for Third Temple Priests - Breaking Israel News

If you need further details to make sure you approve of their selection methods, I'd suggest reaching out to the Temple Institute or the newly constituted Sanhedrin.

 

[iamlamad]

T

Talmudic Judaism is a POST-CHRISTIAN, MAN-MADE religion that has no resemblance to the Mosaic Judaism Delivered By the Hand of God.
They do not practice the Judaism of the Bible, and have no verifiable genetic link to the pre desolation Hebrews.

This quote from the 2nd link is also highly suspect:
"Four months ago, the Temple Institute established a registry of Kohanim, a list of men who have a clear patriarchal heritage from the priestly class. The Kohanim must fit certain criteria, in addition to having priestly heritage: they must have been born and raised in Israel, and have observed the laws of purity incumbent upon priests."

What constitutes a "clear patriarchal heritage from the priestly class", you ask?
Great question!, and left completely, but unsurprisingly, unanswered.

JEWISH PRIESTS, BIBLICAL STATUS CONFIRMED BY DNA, READY TO PREPARE FOR THIRD TEMPLE

A lot of science has gone into the "answer." This was a headline in a Jewish newspaper in 2017.

 

[jgr]

JEWISH PRIESTS, BIBLICAL STATUS CONFIRMED BY DNA, READY TO PREPARE FOR THIRD TEMPLE

A lot of science has gone into the "answer." This was a headline in a Jewish newspaper in 2017.

Confirms what science had already told us.

We're all Jews.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Confirms what science had already told us.

We're all Jews.

This answer will be very interesting.

 

[parousia70]

JEWISH PRIESTS, BIBLICAL STATUS CONFIRMED BY DNA, READY TO PREPARE FOR THIRD TEMPLE

A lot of science has gone into the "answer." This was a headline in a Jewish newspaper in 2017.

I found the article:
Jewish Priests, Biblical Status Confirmed By DNA, Ready to Prepare for Third Temple - Israel365 News | Latest News. Biblical Perspective.

Which actually states the opposite of what the headline implies.
From the article:

"Though “Jews have genetic markers that show that they are from the Middle East,” Rabbi Kleiman explained, “There were many different nations living in the region. Even if we can show a common ancestry with Abraham, he had two sons. We can show a common ancestry but are unable to find markers for specific tribal haplotypes (genes passed from father to son).”

The rabbi noted that genetics will not have the final word. According to Jewish tradition, Elijah the prophet will appear before the Messiah to clarify precisely this issue: who is a priest and who is not, and the tribe to which each Jew belongs."

Without a genuine Aaronic DNA Sample to compare to, no DNA test on earth can "confirm" Hebrew priestly lineage.

As I said, it's ALL speculation, and sad so many Blindly prostrate and give their unending devotion to these claimants without proof...

Of course, as jgr pointed out, you and I are just as genetically qualified to be High priest of the third Temple as the most devout Kohen in Israel today.

 

[ewq1938]

 

[JohnDB]

Just in case anyone wanted to see the Temple Mount and what it takes to gain access.

 

[Freedm]

None of this states 1990 years.

1990 years? I have no idea what you're referring to.

The point is that the Bible clearly states we will all still be here until the last day.