Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

BABerean2 said:

Based on 1 John 2:22-23, and 2 John 1:7-11, and Revelation 2:9, and Revelation 3:9, and Revelation 11:8, modern Orthodox Jews may put up a building, but it will never be the temple of God.


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A distinction without a difference for its purpose.

Timtofly said:

Is that not the same thing?

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Maybe not - you see if current trends to amalgamate the big three religions continue then such a move into the 3rd temple could be heralded by church leaders as a wonderful victory for tolerance.
I mean the desecration would not be apparent to all but the elect.
Anyway this is all conjecture...

Carl Emerson said:

This will be a sign to flee to the hills.

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Do you live in Judaea? (Matthew 24:16)

I see New Zealand listed as your domicile.

jgr said:

Do you live in Judaea? (Matthew 24:16)

I see New Zealand listed as your domicile.

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No but the anti Christian anti Semitism to follow globally will be unprecedented... Just my opinion.

Carl Emerson said:

Maybe not - you see if current trends to amalgamate the big three religions continue then such a move into the 3rd temple could be heralded by church leaders as a wonderful victory for tolerance.
I mean the desecration would not be apparent to all but the elect.
Anyway this is all conjecture...

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Carl the merging of religions will be complete when the anitchrist is revealed as the man of sin in 2 Thes 2. He claims to be above God and performs lying signs and wonders that even the elect would be fooled if it were possible. So if this be the abomination of desolation it would coincide with Rev 13 the beast gaining power through Satan and with exactly 42 months to go he obtains this power and rolls out the image and mark of the beast at this time. this same story and time line is also laid out in Daniel 7 with the kingdom coming when the pompous one who is persecuting for 3 1/2 years when the kingdom comes that covers the earth and has no end is given to the son of man who is before the ancient of days. The pompous one has his body given to the flame exactly like the beast in Rev 13. read these 3 chapters and see thy are synoptic.

BABerean2 said:

How can an Antichrist desecrate a man-made stone temple in the earthly Jerusalem described in Revelation 11:8.

An Antichrist would have to appear in the Church of Jesus Christ and declare himself to be God, to fulfill your interpretation of scripture.
All of the Reformers believed it to be the Papacy, for this same reason.
However, Rome is not the "great city" found in Revelation 11:8.


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What does new covenant theology preach whether a temple is going to be built or not in Jerusalem that the Antichrist will desecrate?

You should have a new covenant theology preacher's video on the matter.

Carl Emerson said:

No but the anti Christian anti Semitism to follow globally will be unprecedented... Just my opinion.

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What I like is that this forum gets a good number of participants from New Zealand and Australia.

It is good for the body of Christ, to hear from from Christians from all parts of the world.

BABerean2 said:

Is the idea of a third temple in modern Jerusalem really a way to get money from American Evangelical Christians?


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Well I am sure that scammers have arisen around the issue! It happens all the time. A legitimate issue arises- along come the wolves to seek to fleece the sheep!

But the rebuilding of the Temple is for real!

Tools and ephods made
lists of the Kohen and Levites gathered.
Temple sacrifice taught.

All that awaits is for God to clear teh way for this temple to go up!

nolidad said:

Well I am sure that scammers have arisen around the issue! It happens all the time. A legitimate issue arises- along come the wolves to seek to fleece the sheep!

But the rebuilding of the Temple is for real!

Tools and ephods made
lists of the Kohen and Levites gathered.
Temple sacrifice taught.

All that awaits is for God to clear teh way for this temple to go up!

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And go up it will.

In a mushroom cloud.

Those who spurn the lessons of Scripture and history are condemned to repeat them.

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII

Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and opressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.

nolidad said:

Well I am sure that scammers have arisen around the issue! It happens all the time. A legitimate issue arises- along come the wolves to seek to fleece the sheep!

But the rebuilding of the Temple is for real!

Tools and ephods made
lists of the Kohen and Levites gathered.
Temple sacrifice taught.

All that awaits is for God to clear teh way for this temple to go up!

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1 Chronicles 28:2-4

2 Then David the king rose to his feet and said: “My kinsmen and my people! Listen to me! I set my heart on building a house where the ark for the covenant of Adonai could remain at rest. It would have been God’s footstool, and I prepared to build it.
3 But God said to me, ‘You are not to build a house for my name, because you are a man of war, you have shed blood.’
4 However, Adonai the God of Isra’el chose me out of my father’s whole family to be king over Isra’el forever; for he chose Y’hudah to be the leader; and in the house of Y’hudah, in the house of my father, and among the sons of my father, it was his pleasure to make me king over all Isra’el;

It can not be built in a time of war, by people with blood on their hands.

jgr said:

Do you live in Judaea? (Matthew 24:16)

I see New Zealand listed as your domicile.

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Hillarious! Good post!

Timtofly said:

1 Chronicles 28:2-4

2 Then David the king rose to his feet and said: “My kinsmen and my people! Listen to me! I set my heart on building a house where the ark for the covenant of Adonai could remain at rest. It would have been God’s footstool, and I prepared to build it.
3 But God said to me, ‘You are not to build a house for my name, because you are a man of war, you have shed blood.’
4 However, Adonai the God of Isra’el chose me out of my father’s whole family to be king over Isra’el forever; for he chose Y’hudah to be the leader; and in the house of Y’hudah, in the house of my father, and among the sons of my father, it was his pleasure to make me king over all Isra’el;

It can not be built in a time of war, by people with blood on their hands.

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Sorry, but that was God speaking to David at that time. It really has nothing to do with what the Jews are going to do about their new temple.

iamlamad said:

Sorry, but that was God speaking to David at that time. It really has nothing to do with what the Jews are going to do about their new temple.

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So you are a solo flyer, not listening to God at all? Why would God make any acception from His Word spoken or written?

I am not saying God is planning on a temple. If God is, there are the requirements.

Brian Mcnamee said:

Carl the merging of religions will be complete when the anitchrist is revealed

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That is what I was meaning...

jgr said:

Do you live in Judaea? (Matthew 24:16)

I see New Zealand listed as your domicile.

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Why do you think they are being warned to flee to the Hills?

Carl Emerson said:

Why do you think they are being warned to flee to the Hills?

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They were warned, and they did flee.

In 66 AD.

BABerean2 said:

OK, You asked for it.

Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner




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Could inform me on what minute in the video there will not be a temple built in Jerusalem for the end times events, so I don't have to watch the whole video?