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There was a record in history. The temple was destroyed.
Is it possible that He was using language that called back to the OT?No records of people seeing Jesus in the clouds, no gathering of the elect.
Instead, scattering, like the opposite of what Jesus was talking about.
Is it possible that He was using language that called back to the OT?
One, you didn’t answer my question. And two, there’s no mention of a rapture.He's talking about the rapture (if you're not so dogmatic that the rapture has to be pretrib so that you discard Matthew 24 as a Rapture passage)
One, you didn’t answer my question. And two, there’s no mention of a rapture.
My question does make sense. Most NT prophecies have references in the OT. So it’s a yes or no question. Is it possible that He was using language that called back to the OT?Gathering the elect, Paul evokes it in 2 Thessalonians 2:1
and your question didn't make sense because it's irrelevant. Jesus said He'd be gathering His elect when He appeared in the clouds.
Not scattering them to the nations. 70AD was not a gathering it was the beginning of the Jewish diaspora.
My question does make sense. Most NT prophecies have references in the OT. So it’s a yes or no question. Is it possible that He was using language that called back to the OT?
Okay. I’m not sure why all of the vitriol, but have a blessed day.Yeah, He did, like the celestial disturbances is a common sign for the Day of the Lord, IE the second coming of Jesus.
So again, He's referring to His second coming, and to the book of Daniel, which has the Temple being made desolate and then being restored in 2300 days
Not destroyed and... just left destroyed and a Muslim mosque built on top of it.
It's an obvious teaching on Matthew 24. Paul is explaining to the Thessalonians the AoD (Matt 24:15) will occur before Jesus gathers his Elect (Matt 24:31)Why should we take what Paul says to be the same thing Jesus was talking about?
-CryptoLutheran
It's not vitriol, but a little frustration. It seems like I don't communicate my point very well and I get frustrated at myself when I feel like I'm not understood.Okay. I’m not sure why all of the vitriol, but have a blessed day.
Obviously it's both. Jesus told them to flee as the "great tribulation" would start when they see the AoD.Which is it, standing or seated?
Jerusalem is surrounded by armies and the Jews are fleeing to the mountains. What use is fleeing to the mountains if it's the end of the world?
Do the armies intend to invade Jerusalem and desolate the temple, why else is Jerusalem surrounded?
It's an obvious teaching on Matthew 24. Paul is explaining to the Thessalonians the AoD (Matt 24:15) will occur before Jesus gathers his Elect (Matt 24:31)
Obviously it's both. Jesus told them to flee as the "great tribulation" would start when they see the AoD.
My post was about a person (man of sin) performing the AOD, not just destruction. This was your point that it wasn't a person in Matthew 24. Paul clears up the Thessalonians and your confusion concerning the timing of his return
He's talking about the rapture (if you're not so dogmatic that the rapture has to be pretrib so that you discard Matthew 24 as a Rapture passage)
I understand. And I get your point. I just think it’s the wrong view.It's not vitriol, but a little frustration. It seems like I don't communicate my point very well and I get frustrated at myself when I feel like I'm not understood.
How do you know it's the third temple? It could just be anything being built. The video is suspect to me.
What ! Answer to # 21) How is it obvious that St. Paul is referring to the abomination?
2) The Apostle doesn't make any mention of a gathering of the elect here, he speaks of a falling away.
-CryptoLutheran
What ! Answer to # 2
2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3
1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,a 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,
That's exactly what he's talking about ! The "gathering" won't happen until the "falling away" happens first.
Answer #1
It's obvious because of Vs 1. The coming of the Lord and our gathering unto him. This is exactly the timeline Jesus gave in the Olivet Discourse.
Question for you : What did the Jews have to "fall away" from ? They had already rejected Jesus. The gathering of the Elect didn't happen in 70 AD. No one sat in the Temple declaring himself God, they burnt the Temple, then pushed the stones down to retrieve the melted gold.
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