Think I'll sit down here for a bit... (4)

[Flipper]

Not all Americans are Christian.

 

[Studeclunker]

Very true. This has been true from the beginning. Still, the country was founded by, nominally at least, Christian people. The government was established on Christian principals. Regardless of what sophestry the anti-christian left may spew out, this country was indeed founded on CHRISTIAN PRINCIPALS! Ahem, sorry. I get a little testy on this subject. Historical revisionism really annoys me no end. It's really popular right now.

Read George Washington's inagural address sometime. It is filled with the imagery of the divine will of God. Washington, at least, knew where this country should be addressing it's thanksgiving. Many of the speeches of the first hundred-fifty years' worth of Presidents are full of phrases like, "the devine will of the almighty God..." "...the guiding hand of the almighty..." "...that shining city on a hill..." etc. These people weren't athiests. Very few of them were counterfiet christians either.

I need to be careful as this looks a lot like a rant and I don't mean it to be. The USA has gone through periods of (christian) backsliding and revival before. Things look to me like we are due for yet another revival movement. The seeds of faith (and thus greatness) were sown in the very early years of this country's beginning. Still, we have gone through periods of godlessness similar to the current times. However, and this is what worries me, it has never so deeply entrenched itself in our government and society as it currently has. Pride is our greatest enemy and gives us an ugly face overseas.

May our gracious and kind Lord find the charity of, once again, pulling us out of the morass and trap of pride and conceit. May he be so gracious to send the spirit into the hearts of all Americans and bring them to the truth of his Word.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

 

[DaSeminarian]

Very true. This has been true from the beginning. Still, the country was founded by, nominally at least, Christian people. The government was established on Christian principals. Regardless of what sophestry the anti-christian left may spew out, this country was indeed founded on CHRISTIAN PRINCIPALS! Ahem, sorry. I get a little testy on this subject. Historical revisionism really annoys me no end. It's really popular right now.

Read George Washington's inagural address sometime. It is filled with the imagery of the divine will of God. Washington, at least, knew where this country should be addressing it's thanksgiving. Many of the speeches of the first hundred-fifty years' worth of Presidents are full of phrases like, "the devine will of the almighty God..." "...the guiding hand of the almighty..." "...that shining city on a hill..." etc. These people weren't athiests. Very few of them were counterfiet christians either.

I need to be careful as this looks a lot like a rant and I don't mean it to be. The USA has gone through periods of (christian) backsliding and revival before. Things look to me like we are due for yet another revival movement. The seeds of faith (and thus greatness) were sown in the very early years of this country's beginning. Still, we have gone through periods of godlessness similar to the current times. However, and this is what worries me, it has never so deeply entrenched itself in our government and society as it currently has. Pride is our greatest enemy and gives us an ugly face overseas.

May our gracious and kind Lord find the charity of, once again, pulling us out of the morass and trap of pride and conceit. May he be so gracious to send the spirit into the hearts of all Americans and bring them to the truth of his Word.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

Then how come Christ is never mentioned?

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

Very true. This has been true from the beginning. Still, the country was founded by, nominally at least, Christian people. The government was established on Christian principals. Regardless of what sophestry the anti-christian left may spew out, this country was indeed founded on CHRISTIAN PRINCIPALS! Ahem, sorry. I get a little testy on this subject. Historical revisionism really annoys me no end. It's really popular right now.

Read George Washington's inagural address sometime. It is filled with the imagery of the divine will of God. Washington, at least, knew where this country should be addressing it's thanksgiving. Many of the speeches of the first hundred-fifty years' worth of Presidents are full of phrases like, "the devine will of the almighty God..." "...the guiding hand of the almighty..." "...that shining city on a hill..." etc. These people weren't athiests. Very few of them were counterfiet christians either.

I need to be careful as this looks a lot like a rant and I don't mean it to be. The USA has gone through periods of (christian) backsliding and revival before. Things look to me like we are due for yet another revival movement. The seeds of faith (and thus greatness) were sown in the very early years of this country's beginning. Still, we have gone through periods of godlessness similar to the current times. However, and this is what worries me, it has never so deeply entrenched itself in our government and society as it currently has. Pride is our greatest enemy and gives us an ugly face overseas.

May our gracious and kind Lord find the charity of, once again, pulling us out of the morass and trap of pride and conceit. May he be so gracious to send the spirit into the hearts of all Americans and bring them to the truth of his Word.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

Right on Bro

 

[filosofer]

Then how come Christ is never mentioned?

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Probably because many were deists writing in a Christianized culture (often called Christendom - since the time of Constantine that was the prevailing cultural world view/viewpoint). Thus, deists could use Christianized phrases without being Christian, yet sound like Christians.

In Christ's love,
filo
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[Flipper]

What filo said. The country wasn't founded by all Christians as much as neo-conservatives would like to rewrite history to show. For example, Jefferson was a Deist and he wrote the Declaration and had a part in the Constitution. However it was founded on more Christian principals than any other country in this world. It just won't ever be a Christian country because we are humans who fall short.

 

[filosofer]

However it was founded on more Christian principals than any other country in this world.

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More likely it was founded on Christian principles, since schools were not yet founded and thus had no principals.

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It just won't ever be a Christian country because we are humans who fall short.

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And the idea of a "Christian nation" comes out of Reformed theology, not Lutheran understanding of the two kingdoms.

In Christ's love,
filo
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[TheCosmicGospel]

Then how come Christ is never mentioned?

When you say "God", you have said it all. Washington was a president, not a preacher. Just like today, you never hear "Jesus bless America." Boxers seem to be more likely than anyone in the public arena to address the Lord and King. I am not sure what the connection is between trying to beat the daylights out of someone and promoting Jesus. But there it is.

Peace,
Cos

 

[filosofer]

When you say "God", you have said it all.

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Actually, that does not say it all. Even Muslims agree with saying "God" or "Allah"; so do LDS, etc. The defining point is exactly on Matthew 16:15..."Who do you say that I am?"


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Washington was a president, not a preacher.

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That isn't the issue, though. While Washington set the tenor of what it meant to be President, he had far less influence on the "founding" of the nation than others, who were specifically deists. In other words, Christians could agree with the declaration of Independence and with the Constitution because those documents were set up for civil rule. But by doing so, it does not make nor imply that the nation was "Christian."
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Boxers seem to be more likely than anyone in the public arena to address the Lord and King

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So, how did Don (King) enter the discussion?

In Christ's love,
filo
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[DaSeminarian]

When you say "God", you have said it all. Washington was a president, not a preacher. Just like today, you never hear "Jesus bless America." Boxers seem to be more likely than anyone in the public arena to address the Lord and King. I am not sure what the connection is between trying to beat the daylights out of someone and promoting Jesus. But there it is.

Peace,
Cos

I agree with filo. This country was not founded on Christian principles. It was founded on the idea that Government should be representative of the people who inhabit the land. Washington was a deist as well as Madison and I believe Adams. Jefferson claimed to be a Christian, but he was a Higher critical sort who liked to pick and choose what was truth and what was not.

This country was founded on the notion that the state should not establish a particular religion or denomination of religion as a state religion. This way they could not force the people who didn't agree with the religion to convert. What inevitably this has become is a freedom of every religion but Christianity. We are branded as intolerant and made the scapegoats of all the hate crimes going on.

 

[LilLamb219]

Slow day on the forums today, huh? Everyone must be recuperating from the 4th! At least, those of us in the US.

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

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Actually, that does not say it all. Even Muslims agree with saying "God" or "Allah"; so do LDS, etc. The defining point is exactly on Matthew 16:15..."Who do you say that I am?"


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That isn't the issue, though. While Washington set the tenor of what it meant to be President, he had far less influence on the "founding" of the nation than others, who were specifically deists. In other words, Christians could agree with the declaration of Independence and with the Constitution because those documents were set up for civil rule. But by doing so, it does not make nor imply that the nation was "Christian."
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So, how did Don (King) enter the discussion?

In Christ's love,
filo
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Well GoOd must have had something to do with the formation of the country because no group of humans could have come up with the Constitution without God's help.

 

[filosofer]

Well GoOd must have had something to do with the formation of the country because no group of humans could have come up with the Constitution without God's help.

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I'm curious about this statement. Are you saying that the Constitution is somehow "inspired"?

In Christ's love,
filo
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[DaSeminarian]

Well GoOd must have had something to do with the formation of the country because no group of humans could have come up with the Constitution without God's help.

Please give an example of what you mean. The Constitution is not a divinely inspired document. It is from the minds of the age of Enlightenment which went from approximately the mid 18th century to the mid 19th century (I am being rather broad on the time frame.)

Many of our founding fathers were part of the Freemasons and Illuminati which were secret organizations and which IMO Christians should not be partly or Parcelly involved.

 

[DaRev]

Hi all.

I have returned from my R & R.
Anybody miss me?


Anybody??




Anyone?????

 

[filosofer]

Hi all.

I have returned from my R & R.
Anybody miss me?


Anybody??




Anyone?????

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And you are?

In Christ's love,
filo
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[Jim47]

Hi all.

I have returned from my R & R.
Anybody miss me?


Anybody??




Anyone?????

I wondered where you have been, so whats up?

 

[DaRev]

I wondered where you have been, so whats up?

Absolutely nothing.

 

[LilLamb219]

Of course we missed you!!!! Did you have a nice time away from us?

 

[filosofer]

Of course we missed you!!!! Did you have a nice time away from us?

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Is that cotton candy I see??????

In Christ's love,
filo
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