Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[from scratch]

No it does not but the 4th commandment does. Already quoted.

The 4th commandment doesn't show anyone prior to the departure from Egypt observed the Sabbath.

 

[from scratch]

This is not even a coherent or intelligent response. The 7th day and the Sabbath from the 4th commandment are on and the same. This is childish.

Nope!

 

[from scratch]

Says you not the bible. The 4th commandment clearly shows it goes back to creation and was to be observed by Adam and Eve and their descendants.

Only if Moses is discredited.

 

[from scratch]

Let me go back and see what the hubub is about. Can you repost these important laws given to Noah which have to bearing on anything anymore.

Why do you ask others to do what you refuse to do?

 

[from scratch]

I disagree. I think the patriarchs offered sacrifice which very little is said about. I also think they observed the 7th day which very little is said about. But even if they did not, I don't have a problem with it. The Israelites did not keep the 7th day or any day for 400 years in Egyptian slavery. It's not a deal breaker. God works with what he has.

What is your disagreement based on? I only see opinion of I think. I'm beginning to doubt you're a Baptist.

 

[from scratch]

The 7th day Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation. We are saved by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The day is a commemoration no different than the Lord's supper or baptism. All are symbols of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Pure obfuscation. There is no answer to my question.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Pure obfuscation. There is no answer to my question.

Nor does it prop up his insistence upon promoting it here beyond just plainly optional. The trend is to deceive people into thinking that it isn't about salvation while claiming you must keep it or else.... or else what?

 

[Cribstyl]

Christians were also observing the 7th day long before the time of Constantine.

I could believe you, or men who died holding on to the truth about Jesus. They wrote that christians did not Judiaze. Who will you quote????

 

[LarryP2]

Nor does it prop up his insistence upon promoting it here beyond just plainly optional. The trend is to deceive people into thinking that it isn't about salvation while claiming you must keep it or else.... or else what?

And that's the rub. IF it is "important," then it ALWAYS boils down to a salvational issue. How much or how little is the only issue. And SDBs claim Sabbath Keeping has nothing to do with Salvation, and back that up by arguing that Sabbath Keeping accomplishes nothing.

So its either no effect on Salvation and it accomplishes nothing. I keep telling myself in that case (SDBs), they should be tolerated. But you have to wonder, why bother?

And the other side has varying impacts on Salvation, depending on how much they reject the pure Gospel. In which case, that is counter-Christian.

 

[Sophrosyne]

And that's the rub. IF it is "important," then it ALWAYS boils down to a salvational issue. How much or how little is the only issue. And SDBs claim Sabbath Keeping has nothing to do with Salvation, and back that up by arguing that Sabbath Keeping accomplishes nothing.

So its either no effect on Salvation and it accomplishes nothing. I keep telling myself in that case (SDBs), they should be tolerated. But you have to wonder, why bother?

And the other side has varying impacts on Salvation, depending on how much they reject the pure Gospel. In which case, that is counter-Christian.

I have no issue with people voluntarily keeping the Sabbath myself. I consider it akin to recommending a good place to eat vs demanding that eating anywhere else but the place labels you as some sort of lesser person than those who do.

 

[LarryP2]

I have no issue with people voluntarily keeping the Sabbath myself. I consider it akin to recommending a good place to eat vs demanding that eating anywhere else but the place labels you as some sort of lesser person than those who do.

If it were important, make no mistake, one of those Apostles would have written it out in an Epistle. The Sabbatarians have this long and convoluted Conspiracy Theory, including Pagan Sun worship, bad Popes and so on.

Whereas those that reject the Sabbath have the simplest and most obvious theory that fits with both the Bible and History: Immediate Sabbath abandonment on Resurrection Day because the Apostles told them so.

How could they not, after witnessing something like that?

 

[Sophrosyne]

If it were important, make no mistake, one of those Apostles would have written it out in an Epistle. The Sabbatarians have this long and convoluted Conspiracy Theory, including Pagan Sun worship, bad Popes and so on.

Whereas those that reject the Sabbath have the simplest and most obvious theory that fits with both the Bible and History: Immediate Sabbath abandonment on Resurrection Day because the Apostles told them so.

How could they not, after witnessing something like that?

yeah the Sabbath reads like a cheezy supermarket tabloid the kind that says some famous movie actress gave birth to an alien from another planet

 

[LarryP2]

yeah the Sabbath reads like a cheezy supermarket tabloid the kind that says some famous movie actress gave birth to an alien from another planet

Don't get me wrong, there really WERE some bad people in Christianity that really fouled things up, and there was probably too much of an incestuous relationship between the Church and the Roman Empire.

But none of that had any effect on Sunday worship. Bad Popes, greedy power-mad Emperors, corrupt Bishops you can go on and on and on and it is all true. All those things happened. But NONE of them changed anything about Sunday veneration of the Resurrection, which happened on the dawn of Resurrection Day for the first time. THAT was a grass-roots "people power" revolution against BOTH the Jewish and Roman authorities.

It was the powerless Apostles that initiated a new day of worship and it was kept by their powerless followers for centuries before it became acceptable to the Roman Empire.

 

[Dunbar]

I've never seen proof of this assertion provided nor logic of it even presented that Christians (NOT JEWISH ONLY CHRISTIANS) as a group (mixed) were observing the 7th day as akin to "KEEPING" it on a level that even trivially approaches that of the Sabbath command.
You have done little to prove any of your opinions here while barraged with facts and very solid logic you are again playing Don Quixote and telling us you are slaying real beasts.

Show from the NT where Sunday was kept! You cannot and only make false assertions like the that the Lord's day is Sunday. The Lord's day is the Sabbath - remember Jesus the head of the church? He never kept Sunday not even one time and the resurrection does not count!! He said that the son of man is Lord of the Sabbath day. End of story. The Sabbath is the Lord's day.

 

[Dunbar]

I listed four questions, none of which had anything to do with Nehemiah. What you're showing me is that you're not reading posts, and don't have an answer for them.

You have answered nothing that I have posted on like your false belief that the 7th day Sabbath is not part of the creation event. Come on, even a five year old could see that. You hate the Sabbath, just admit it. That's ok because I hate your false sun sabbath too.

 

[Dunbar]

The 4th commandment doesn't show anyone prior to the departure from Egypt observed the Sabbath.

Except for the creation event so at least God himself kept it.

 

[Dunbar]

What is your disagreement based on? I only see opinion of I think. I'm beginning to doubt you're a Baptist.

I'm beginning to doubt if you can post more than one coherent sentence oh king of the one liners. I need more than sound bite.

 

[Dunbar]

Nor does it prop up his insistence upon promoting it here beyond just plainly optional. The trend is to deceive people into thinking that it isn't about salvation while claiming you must keep it or else.... or else what?

Kind of the way the church has deceived it's followers for almost 2000 years into believing that Sunday is holy or the Lord's day. I don't even come close to that.

 

[Dunbar]

I could believe you, or men who died holding on to the truth about Jesus. They wrote that christians did not Judiaze. Who will you quote????

You could believe the bible. Have you ever read it?

 

[Dunbar]

And that's the rub. IF it is "important," then it ALWAYS boils down to a salvational issue. How much or how little is the only issue. And SDBs claim Sabbath Keeping has nothing to do with Salvation, and back that up by arguing that Sabbath Keeping accomplishes nothing.

So its either no effect on Salvation and it accomplishes nothing. I keep telling myself in that case (SDBs), they should be tolerated. But you have to wonder, why bother?

And the other side has varying impacts on Salvation, depending on how much they reject the pure Gospel. In which case, that is counter-Christian.

Is communion a salvational issue? The day of worship is the same whether Sabbath or Sunday. It's just a symbol. It shows who our true master is.