No the pagans worshipped on Sunday because that was the day of their idol. Sunday was not officially adopted into the church until the time of Constantine. Before that it's all heresay and maybes.
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No the pagans worshipped on Sunday because that was the day of their idol. Sunday was not officially adopted into the church until the time of Constantine. Before that it's all heresay and maybes.
You clearly do not understand the nature of "hearsay." When a solid wall of First and Second Century Church Fathers write in their own hand the nature of Sunday worship, that is NOT "hearsay."
Anything those First and Second Century Christians wrote would be EASY to have admitted in a Court of Law, and would easily prove the existence of universal Sunday observance at least 200 years before Constantine. That lie of Ellen White's that you cite has been disproved for many years.
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What is your support for keeping some form of the 7th day Sabbath? I thought I read you didn't care what others do, yet it seems you require the Sabbath. I don't understand, unless you're trying to be very, very mild and non offensive n your approach. To me this would look like fraud in your purpose. We don't care what day you worship on as long as it has nothing to do with salvation.
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I did answer two. Your argument from Nehemiah is worthless because the Sabbath was not kept for 400 years while the Israelites were in Egyptian slavery. Everything had to be re-introduced after their exile from Egypt.
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I just started a thread on the origin of Sunday observance and I posted the generally accepted views and not my own. Your argument is not with me it's with history.
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Many here have tried to prove the Sabbath started at creation and failed. What is your story?
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One thing is clear: For the Pagans, Sunday was just another day. They NEVER set aside a day to "keep" either. History is crystal clear on that. There was NO day set aside for Sun worship. Here's Bacchiochi:
"Several significant studies have suggested that Christians may have derived "a psychological orientation" toward Sunday from the sectarian solar calendar used by Qumranites and similar groups, where the annual omer day and day of Pentecost always fell on Sunday.1 Though allowance must be made for such a possibility, we are at a loss to find any explicit patristic reference associating Easter-Sunday or weekly Sunday with this sectarian solar calendar."
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"since the earliest evidence for the existence of the planetary week [i.e. our present week, named after seven planets] is to be dated toward the end of the first century A.D.," at a time when "the Christians observance of Sunday was a practice of long standing," any influence of Sun-worship on the origin of Sunday is to be categorically excluded."
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"The teaching that Sunday worship "came from paganism" has been so often repeated, it may come as a surprise when I tell you this teaching has no basis in fact. It is misinformation. If I can show you - and I believe I can - that Sunday was not a day of rest and worship among pagans, then it should be quite clear that the practice of Christians meeting on Sunday, the first day of the week, did not come from this source."
http://hwarmstrong.com/sunday-worship.htm
I would dare say that if anyone was motivated to find a connection between Pagan Sun worship and Christian Sunday keeping, it would be an Adventist theologian scrambling for historical support of one of the Church's central doctrines. That he could not indicates that any connection between Christian Sunday worship and Pagan Sun Worship is nothing but an Ellen White/Herbert W. Armstrong urban legend. That Christians celebrated Sunday because they adopted a Pagan custom is an outright lie, and quite frankly, one of the biggest religious frauds in history. Christians eagerly went to their deaths in the First and Second history, rather than renounce any part of their Christian beliefs.
No more true than Sabbath Keepers keep that day because Wicca Witches do, or because Sabbatarians are worshiping Roman god Saturn on that day.
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The 7th day Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation. We are saved by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The day is a commemoration no different than the Lord's supper or baptism. All are symbols of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
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Since you appeal to history, Christians were worshipping on Sunday long before Constantine or any church councils that merely acknowledged the fact with their decrees.
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If indeed that's the case, what difference does it make which day one worships on? Paul said twice it doesn't matter. Romans 14 and Colossians 2.
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Which ones? The Ebonites and Jewish Christians? I need something to go on more than an unsupported statement.
I want to know what also means. There is no denial that some worshipped on the Sabbath. How does that make them right and other wrong in light of the Bible? It seems to me you mean Christianity in general observed the Sabbath. This is simply not true in light of historical citations provided in this forum.
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I've never seen proof of this assertion provided nor logic of it even presented that Christians (NOT JEWISH ONLY CHRISTIANS) as a group (mixed) were observing the 7th day as akin to "KEEPING" it on a level that even trivially approaches that of the Sabbath command.
You have done little to prove any of your opinions here while barraged with facts and very solid logic you are again playing Don Quixote and telling us you are slaying real beasts.
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They would make you believe if one person in a huge million man battle wore pink leotards and attacked with a water pistol full of grape juice that the whole battle was one by that person. Taking examples based upon extreme minorities that nowhere near approached the norm of it all and claiming it was the norm of it all is their logic. A lot of pink elephants in their room for sure.
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Not more than 30 days and certainly less than 60. You can't show participation in a holy day such as the Sabbath prior to the Israeli departure from Egypt. The best you can do is Gen 26:5 which is defeated soundly with Deut 5:3. There's no contradiction.
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I listed four questions, none of which had anything to do with Nehemiah. What you're showing me is that you're not reading posts, and don't have an answer for them.
You're deviating far from what Nehemiah 9 actually says. It recites history all the way from the creation, taking Abraham out of Ur of the Chaldees, to Mount Sinai for the origin of the Law, and to Moses for the origin of the Sabbath.
We've examined a number of passages, all of which show the origin of the Sabbath after both the seventh day and the exodus. An excerpt from the Book of the Law was posted for you, the same Book of the Law that these Levites offered their summary from. It showed the limited jurisdiction to whom the Sabbath was given, and you contradicted the Law when it documents when the Sabbath existed and to whom had exclusive possession of it.
Bottom line: you're repeating claims that are obviously false, and when tasked to offer Biblical evidence for them you simply can't produce anything at all.
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