Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[from scratch]

You mean to tell me that it was ok to dishonor parents, steal, commit adultery, have relations with the same gender, serve other gods, work on the seventh day and murder before Mt. Sinai?

Where do you get this from? Please show where its good in God's sight to sin.

 

[mercy1061]

You act like every verse is a stand alone verse totally independent of even those in the same narrative.

You read invisible words that are not written; some people call that dishonesty. It is not written in heb 10 that the first covenant was taken away; bottom line; period.

1 Cor 4

6 Now in what I have said here, brothers, I have used myself and Apollos as examples to teach you not to go beyond what the Tanakh says, proudly taking the side of one leader against another.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Hagar was sent away with Abraham's firstborn, Ishmael; father of Jethro.

Yup... and we see no proof of them keeping the 10 commandments in the bible from that point on. I would like your idea of who Hagar's descendants were and then tell me they are keeping the 10 commandments today if you can.

 

[from scratch]

lol.

Your interpretation of the above verse calls....all the below people liars.

Jesus
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Luke
They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.

Paul
take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,

James
If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.

Either their liars, or they're not righteous...take your pick.

Nope! You've my sincerest regrets.

 

[from scratch]

Prove it.

Such a provisions isn't found in the Book of the Law.

 

[VictorC]

You read invisible words that are not written; some people call that dishonesty. It is not written in heb 10 that the first covenant was taken away; bottom line; period.

This contradicts the narrative that progresses in the epistle to the Hebrews.

• The Law demanded a change (metathesis, denoting a change in location)(Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• The first covenant was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

 

[tzadik]

Where do you get this from? Please show where its good in God's sight to sin.

Voila! My point exactly.

Sin = transgressing God's Law.

Sin would not exist unless God's Law exists.

Cain could not be a murderer unless God's Law states "do not murder"!
Sodom and Gomorra cannot be destroyed for sodomy, unless God's Law prohibits homosexuality!
King Abimilech would've not need to confess to the sin of adultery, unless God's Law prohibits adultery.

 

[from scratch]

I could take you through John 1:14 and prove you otherwise...but i don't have that kind of time to waste...

Besides..nowhere in my post was I arguing that.

Oh! ehehehehehawhe!!!!

 

[from scratch]

1. Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
2. which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
3. concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
4. who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
5. through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,

What is 'the obedience of faith'?

Hmmm! I don't read bring to obedience of the law. Is there a reason for this?

Are you remotely saying the law is faith?

 

[tzadik]

Hmmm! I don't read bring to obedience of the law. Is there a reason for this?

Your law-phobia is concerning...

 

[mercy1061]

This contradicts the narrative that progresses in the epistle to the Hebrews.

• The Law demanded a change (metathesis, denoting a change in location)(Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• The first covenant was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

I don't understand how this directly applies to you?

6 But now the work Yeshua has been given to do is far superior to theirs, just as the covenant he mediates is better. For this covenant has been given as Torah on the basis of better promises.



“‘See! The days are coming,’ says Adonai,
‘when I will establish
over the house of Isra’el and over the house of Y’hudah
a new covenant.

 

[from scratch]

So no answer?

How are you delivered from a law, you claim was never given to you?

Didn't you believe me the first time I answered this question? What makes me think you'll do any different if its repeated?

 

[VictorC]

I don't understand how this directly applies to you?

6 But now the work Yeshua has been given to do is far superior to theirs, just as the covenant he mediates is better. For this covenant has been given as Torah on the basis of better promises.



“‘See! The days are coming,’ says Adonai,
‘when I will establish
over the house of Isra’el and over the house of Y’hudah
a new covenant.

I hope you realize this deflection comes across as a concession of the mistake you made in your previous post.

 

[tzadik]

Didn't you believe me the first time I answered this question? What makes me think you'll do any different if its repeated?

no answer it is. Thanks.

 

[from scratch]

So you would disagree with the fact that Gentiles, strangers, foreigners and Egyptians all entered into a covenant with the God of Israel at Mt. Sinai?

...and again when Joshua re-committed the covenant in Joshua?

Your argument is they did and thus aren't strangers and a mixed multitude any longer according to the Book of the Law.

 

[from scratch]

Be honest, do you obey Moses? Why don't you obey Moses?

Luke 16
31 So Abraham said, “If they won’t pay attention to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen even to someone who comes back from the dead.”

Sure thing. I don't obey Moses. You suggest I do by incidence. That's pure unadulterated straight up hogwash.

 

[mercy1061]

I answered your question, and won't address this nonsense any further as it is but going off on a tangent IMO. It is a topic that is about as important as hogwash itself.

Im sorry was your answer "yes" or "no"?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Whether they keep the holy commandments or not, doesn't exempt you from keeping them. Eve ate the forbidden fruit, so I guess Adam thought it was ok to eat it. Do you behave like Adam and Eve?

This is unrelated to the commandments given to Moses at Sinai. I don't consider myself just exempt but I consider the commandments irrelevant to Christians they are only useful for historical purposes as we were never bound by them in the first place. It is like telling US citizens we must keep ancient Roman Law because some of our Legal system traces roots in ideology back to their legal systems, some of our laws are the same as theirs were therefore we are obligated to keep Roman Law.

 

[mercy1061]

Sure thing. I don't obey Moses. You suggest I do by incidence. That's pure unadulterated straight up hogwash.

Thank you for you honesty, you don't obey Moses. I accept Genesis to Revelation as gospel truth.

Luke 16
31 But he replied, ‘If they won’t listen to Moshe and the Prophets, they won’t be convinced even if someone rises from the dead!’”

 

[from scratch]

Since "hogwash" means foolish talk, now will you honestly answer my question; do you wash hogs before you eat them? Do you eat bacon, swine, swine intestines or pig feet? Please answer these very simple questions.

Do you wash your veggies before eating, or do you eat dirt and all?