There Wont Be A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Don't Be Deceived

[tailgator]

70 AD was not the second physically/bodily return of Jesus Christ to earth.

Jesus came spiritually, not physically/bodily, in judgment against the unbelieving Jews in 70 AD because they rejected him as their Messiah. Jesus used Rome's armies to punish these unbelievers.

Jesus will not come physically/bodily back to earth until the end of time. At the end of time, he will physically/bodily return to earth. The first time he came physically/bodily to earth was when he became incarnate in the womb of the Virgin Mary. The second time will be when he physically/bodily comes to earth at the end of time, and then he will judge the living and the dead. 2 Timothy 4:1, 1 Peter 4:5

So you believe Jesus left his resurected glorified body and came to earth in spirit and entered the Roman army so he could kill Jews?

Do you have any scripture that shows Jesus coming back to earth so he could kill Jews with the Romans as you claim?

 

[tailgator]

I am certain that the Jew's temple in Jerusalem was destroyed before the end of 70 AD. This second temple's construction began during the reign of Cyrus, and it took nearly 50 years to complete if I am remembering correctly. Herod added more to the temple grounds during his reign. Solomon built the first temple in Jerusalem during his reign in Israel.

God lives in heaven.

Psalm 11:4 The Lord is in his holy temple; the Lord’s throne is in heaven. His eyes behold, his gaze examines humankind.

Acts 7:49 ‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?

You claim Herods temple is the temple of God ,and them who are in it such as the Pharisees and Sadducees worshiped God in the temple .
Now read the entire chapter and answer the question at the end about the temple of God .

Revelation 11

11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.




Here in revelation 11:19 is the temple of God.
You claim Herod added to the temple of God .Now how do you claim Herod entered heaven and added to the temple of God in heaven?

 

[Jan001]

It is 1,036 years between when the first temple was built and the second temple was destoryed. I believe pentacost was in 29 ad and the end of the church age will be in 2029 ad.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Jan001]

So you believe Jesus left his resurected glorified body and came to earth in spirit and entered the Roman army so he could kill Jews?

Do you have any scripture that shows Jesus coming back to earth so he could kill Jews with the Romans as you claim?

No.
Jesus, in his glorified body, rules over all people from his throne in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

Jesus allowed and approved the punishment of the Jews by the Roman armies. He did not personally use a sword to slay the Jews. The Jews brought Rome's wrath upon themselves because of their own disobedience.

Luke 11:42-52
“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God; it is these you ought to have practiced, without neglecting the others. 43 Woe to you Pharisees! For you love to have the seat of honor in the synagogues and to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces. 44 Woe to you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk over them without realizing it.”
45 One of the lawyers answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us too.” 46 And he said, “Woe also to you lawyers! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not lift a finger to ease them. 47 Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets whom your ancestors killed. 48 So you are witnesses and approve of the deeds of your ancestors; for they killed them, and you build their tombs. 49 Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ 50 so that this generation may be charged with the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation. 52 Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.”

 

[Jan001]

Here in revelation 11:19 is the temple of God.
You claim Herod added to the temple of God .Now how do you claim Herod entered heaven and added to the temple of God in heaven?

There was a physical temple on earth where the Jews went for their public worship of God. Herod added to this temple complex. This is the temple that the Romans destroyed in 70 AD.

We have physical churches on earth where we go for our public worship of God.

When John was told to go measure the temple, he measured the physical temple in Jerusalem on earth. John did not measure the temple in heaven.

 

[tailgator]

No.
Jesus, in his glorified body, rules over all people from his throne in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

Jesus allowed and approved the punishment of the Jews by the Roman armies. He did not personally use a sword to slay the Jews. The Jews brought Rome's wrath upon themselves because of their own disobedience.

Luke 11:42-52
“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God; it is these you ought to have practiced, without neglecting the others. 43 Woe to you Pharisees! For you love to have the seat of honor in the synagogues and to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces. 44 Woe to you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk over them without realizing it.”
45 One of the lawyers answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us too.” 46 And he said, “Woe also to you lawyers! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not lift a finger to ease them. 47 Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets whom your ancestors killed. 48 So you are witnesses and approve of the deeds of your ancestors; for they killed them, and you build their tombs. 49 Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ 50 so that this generation may be charged with the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation. 52 Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.”

So Jesus did not come in 70 AD as you previously said he did

 

[tailgator]

There was a physical temple on earth where the Jews went for their public worship of God. Herod added to this temple complex. This is the temple that the Romans destroyed in 70 AD.

We have physical churches on earth where we go for our public worship of God.

When John was told to go measure the temple, he measured the physical temple in Jerusalem on earth. John did not measure the temple in heaven.

Where does it say John measured Herods temple and the christians that worship God that God sent the Romans to destroy?

 

[Jan001]

So Jesus did not come in 70 AD as you previously said he did

I don't think continuing this conversation is helpful to either of us.

 

[tailgator]

I don't think continuing this conversation is helpful to either of us.

Yea,you should probably quit because it appears you are contradicting yourself.

Jesus did not come in 70 AD and raise the dead.
The time of the end when the great multitude comes out of the great tribulation was not in 70 AD

Revelation 7
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

 

[Jan001]

Where does it say John measured Herods temple and the christians that worship God that God sent the Romans to destroy?

Revelation 11:1-2 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Come and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.

We know this is not the temple in heaven because it has an outer court for the pagan nations to trample over for forty-two months.

I don't think continuing this conversation is helpful for either of us.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 11:1-2 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Come and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.

We know this is not the temple in heaven because it has an outer court for the pagan nations to trample over for forty-two months.

I don't think continuing this conversation is helpful for either of us.

And we know it's not the temple of the Pharisees and Sadducees in Jerusalem because they didn't worship God.

The people who worship God worship God in spirit and in Truth.The Pharisees and Sadducees in the temple of Herod did not worship God.They didn't even know him when they condemned him to death.


John 4
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


I agree,we should stop debating what the true temple of God is You believe it is a building in Jerusalem and I believe it is the body of Christ.

 

[Billy Evmur]

I Disagree, the Bible clearly teaches the resurrection of "All" takes place at the second coming John t:28-29 on "The Last Day" (The End) John 6:39-40

1 Corinthians 15. says the resurrection is as follows 1st Christ THEN those who are in Christ THEN comes the end

You notice the the word THEN Between the resurrection of our Lord THEN 2, 000 years have gone by and the 2nd stage "those who are in Christ" aka as the rapture has not occured.

Revelations 20 indicates that there is to be a thousand years between the resurrection of the just and the final resurrection.

 

[Billy Evmur]

I disagree, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End) there won't be a millennial kingdom on earth following (Its Dissolved, Gone)

scripture does not agree

after the 1, 000 years Satan is loosed and he gathers all the wicked to march upon the saints in Jerusalem. THAT is when the devouring fire will fall.

The Jewish apostles knew nothing of the rapture but John received it by revelation.

As a gentile you are obliged to follow Paul.

 

[Billy Evmur]

We live in the Holy Spirit age, era or dispensation. Yet there is no Holy Sprit that we can see.
Amillentials say it will be the same with the kingdom age.

1. Premillennialism​

• Belief: Christ will return before (pre-) the Millennium, a literal 1,000-year reign on Earth.
• Event Order: Christ's return, a period of tribulation, the Millennium, then the final judgment and the creation of a new heaven and earth.
• Subcategories: Historic Premillennialism and Dispensational Premillennialism.

2. Amillennialism​

• Belief: The Millennium is symbolic, representing the current church age from Christ's resurrection to His return.
• Event Order: Christ's return and final judgment occur at the end of this symbolic Millennium.
• Interpretation: The 1,000 years in Revelation is not a literal time period but a symbol of Christ's spiritual reign through the church.

3. Postmillennialism​

• Belief: Christ will return after (post-) the Millennium, a golden age of Christian prosperity and dominance.
• Event Order: The church age leads into a Millennium of Christian influence, followed by Christ's return, final judgment, and the new creation.
• Outlook: Optimistic about the gradual spread of the gospel and transformation of society.

I see the Holy Ghost moving mightily in the earth.

 

[Diamond72]

1 Corinthians 15. says the resurrection is as follows 1st Christ THEN those who are in Christ THEN comes the end

Actually the first resurrection was when Christ died.

Matthew 27 50 When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised.

Revelations 20 indicates that there is to be a thousand years between the resurrection of the just and the final resurrection.

REvelation 20 5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

The first resurrection is at the end of the 1,000 years. Revelation 20 says they came to life. That could be they ruled and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years from Heaven.

Premillennialism: This view holds that Christ will return to earth before the Millennium and will physically reign for a thousand years with His saints. This period is characterized by peace and righteousness on earth. The first resurrection refers to the physical resurrection of believers who will reign with Christ during this time.
Amillennialism: This perspective interprets the Millennium symbolically rather than literally. It suggests that the "reign" of Christ is currently happening in heaven, where the saints who have died are reigning with Him in a spiritual sense. In this view, the "thousand years" is symbolic of the entire church age, from Christ's first coming until His second coming.
Postmillennialism: This belief holds that Christ's reign will be realized through the church's influence on earth, leading to a golden age of Christian dominance before Christ's return. The Millennium is seen as a future period of peace and righteousness, but not necessarily a literal thousand years.

 

[Diamond72]

I see the Holy Ghost moving mightily in the earth.

I edited that out. I do not have time to deal with that today.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

so when God told John that he will reign for 1000 years. God did nto know what he was talking about?

 

[Diamond72]

so when God told John that he will reign for 1000 years. God did nto know what he was talking about?

are you talking to yourself again?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

are you talking to yourself again?

why would you ask this? I am talking to the one who says I am decieved

 

[Truth7t7]

1 Corinthians 15. says the resurrection is as follows 1st Christ THEN those who are in Christ THEN comes the end

You notice the the word THEN Between the resurrection of our Lord THEN 2, 000 years have gone by and the 2nd stage "those who are in Christ" aka as the rapture has not occured.

The Bible states clearly that Jesus was the first to be resurrected and the righteous will be resurrected at the second coming 1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

Revelations 20 indicates that there is to be a thousand years between the resurrection of the just and the final resurrection.

Your claim is false, the Bible teaches all that have lived will be resurrected together John 5:28-29, this resurrection takes place on the last day John 6:39-40KJV