There is not one you, or one world or universe, but there are many... Heaven... where we go...?

[AlexDTX]

This conversation is about you dismissing people because of the truth you believe you know. I'm against dismissing anyone because of what I believe because God can use anyone. Typical of you to say I am the one with the pride. But I understand...it's hard you see with beams in your eyes. Further conversation would be pointless. The ditches you imagine for others, you will fall into yourself. Watch.

If one blind man calls another person blind, how does he know?

 

[Geoff m]

Your thinking is utter hogwash influenced by the imagination of string theory and parallel universes. There is nothing biblical in what you have said, nor any evidence supporting your thinking.

I totally agree, where do they get it from

 

[RaymondG]

I totally agree, where do they get it from

The same thing was said about Jesus when he came to those who studies the bible and felt they knew everything about it. "Who does this guy think he is? Isnt he the son of a carpenter?" His explanations are different from our so it is blasphemy! Then off to the cross He went. And they felt good about it too...they were defending the Living God......or so they thought. Very dangerous to just dismiss ideas and people just because they mention things different from what you were taught or believe.

 

[AlexDTX]

The same thing was said about Jesus when he came to those who studies the bible and felt they knew everything about it. "Who does this guy think he is? Isnt he the son of a carpenter?" His explanations are different from our so it is blasphemy! Then off to the cross He went. And they felt good about it too...they were defending the Living God......or so they thought. Very dangerous to just dismiss ideas and people just because they mention things different from what you were taught or believe.

This assumption of Neogaia777 would have more acceptance if some kind of information supporting the assumption were given. But none is given, merely the assumption that these things are true.

 

[Neogaia777]

This assumption of Neogaia777 would have more acceptance if some kind of information supporting the assumption were given. But none is given, merely the assumption that these things are true.

Many testimonies of people who have "went there" or died and came back is the biggest support I have to this theory... Please note I said "theory" not fact (yet)...

God Bless!

 

[AlexDTX]

Many testimonies of people who have "went there" or died and came back is the biggest support I have to this theory... Please note I said "theory" not fact (yet)...

God Bless!

Then share those testimonies. This is a Christian forum, not a New Age forum. If what you assume is true, it is not believed by the readers of this forum and you need to provide supporting arguments.

 

[ToBeLoved]

God has revealed to us what He wants us to know. I don't think meddling in things and trying to figure out things not of God that any good thing can come of it.

I think leave that stuff alone. If you even get a miniscule part of it right, you are probably very lucky. Have faith in God to reveal to you Truth after your death. Do not go seeking other people's experiences and putting value on them. Satan tricked Eve and he would love to trick and destroy us.

Playing with fire usually has consequences. Put your faith in God, the One who can save or not save your eternal soul.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Many testimonies of people who have "went there" or died and came back is the biggest support I have to this theory... Please note I said "theory" not fact (yet)...

God Bless!

Do not take this the wrong way, but if you have some issues why are you adding all of this craziness to the mix? No wonder you are confused by God. You are mixing the things of this world, with the things of God and expecting them to coincide.

Very dangerous path you are walking here, IMHO.

About 15 years ago I was fascinated with near-death experiences, Edgar Cayce and Nostradomus. For a few years I read everything I could find. Then I realized that maybe I was not content in my faith, because why was I searching for someting when I have no idea if it is of God or not. Then I realized the error of my ways in that we need to put our faith in God and others experiences are their experiences. I walked away from these things and never looked back.

I would recommend this for you also.

 

[AlexDTX]

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit says clearly that in the last times some people will abandon the faith by following deceitful spirits, the teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 and the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences have been burned by a hot iron.

 

[RaymondG]

This assumption of Neogaia777 would have more acceptance if some kind of information supporting the assumption were given. But none is given, merely the assumption that these things are true.

I dont think you should accept anything....I just dont think it is a good idea to crucify everyone who come speaking something that seems out of tradition, whether they be a carpenter or a regular poster. I never said i believed anything....and belief isnt my goal anymore anyway...I need to know. And only God can show me. You cant learn or be taught the truth. Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

The OP would be wise to not tell everything he is shown, as the carnal mind cant understand the things of God. cant try to force a child to eat meat...they start with milk and move up at their own pace.

 

[AlexDTX]

I dont think you should accept anything....I just dont think it is a good idea to crucify everyone who come speaking something that seems out of tradition, whether they be a carpenter or a regular poster. I never said i believed anything....and belief isnt my goal anymore anyway...I need to know. And only God can show me. You cant learn or be taught the truth. Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

The OP would be wise to not tell everything he is shown, as the carnal mind cant understand the things of God. cant try to force a child to eat meat...they start with milk and move up at their own pace.

I may be wrong in my understanding, but thought the point of the forum is for iron to sharpen iron. If a point of view is extraordinary, then to help others understand, reasons for thinking that way should be given.

By the way, milk and meat, in my opinion, have nothing to do with doctrine, but refer to obedience. That is enduring hardship for Christ's sake.

 

[RaymondG]

I may be wrong in my understanding, but thought the point of the forum is for iron to sharpen iron. If a point of view is extraordinary, then to help others understand, reasons for thinking that way should be given.

By the way, milk and meat, in my opinion, have nothing to do with doctrine, but refer to obedience. That is enduring hardship for Christ's sake.

Yes, now iron is sharpening iron....because we are reasoning together in a respectful manner...each respecting each others views...no one calling the other wrong or dooming anyone to hell.

Earlier it seemed more like sword fighting and outright dismissal. This, I feel, can be detrimental to all parties involved.....As the OP could be lead to not hear any truth you had because of the delivery, and you could miss any truths from the OP, no matter how small, because of the outright dismissal of the whole idea.

Milk and meat, I feel, relates to a persons level of spiritual understanding. When you are on milk you learn the stories.....then you progress steadily, till you become the story. Each step being equally important...graduation by grace along, lest any man should boost.

 

[AlexDTX]

Milk and meat, I feel, relates to a persons level of spiritual understanding. When you are on milk you learn the stories.....then you progress steadily, till you become the story. Each step being equally important...graduation by grace along, lest any man should boost.

That is the common understanding, but it does not pay close attention to what Paul said.

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

"Uses" is the operative word. Paul is talking about being a doer of the Word and not a hearer only.

 

[com7fy8]

they were very loving and warm and kind toward him, and it was just a joyous and beautiful place, that he called "heaven"... But, it was "his" heaven...

Jesus says, "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" in Matthew 5:46. So, I can see how Jesus desires for us to love any and all people, not to have certain favorites who are love idols. So, our Biblical hope is to see Jesus and all of our Jesus family, not only certain people.

And it will be about Jesus, not us being the center of attention!

But, that is not the only "him's" and not the one and only place he existed... He also existed in other peoples realities where they were the center of, he being in them/it, what they expected or hoped for in their heaven...

I think you mean that each of us exists in each other person's perception of us. And how we are in each one's experience of us is unique, in each case

And I think you mean that no one else has a true experiencing of who you are. I would say this is true. And we can tend to try to use one another, without really knowing whom we are trying to use. But God's love does not have us only trying to use anyone!!

And God's love is able to change our nature so we all become more and more like Jesus (1 John 4:17, Ephesians 4:2). And then is when we can experience how Jesus is, plus how each of us is becoming. We do get more and more common experience . . . by means of our "common faith" (Titus 1:4).

So, yes we can truly get to know one another, by becoming "gentle and lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:28-30) like Jesus in us And then we no longer have love idols . . . as we become like this, together

 

[Geoff m]

The same thing was said about Jesus when he came to those who studies the bible and felt they knew everything about it. "Who does this guy think he is? Isnt he the son of a carpenter?" His explanations are different from our so it is blasphemy! Then off to the cross He went. And they felt good about it too...they were defending the Living God......or so they thought. Very dangerous to just dismiss ideas and people just because they mention things different from what you were taught or believe.

it's common sense

 

[RaymondG]

That is the common understanding, but it does not pay close attention to what Paul said.

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

"Uses" is the operative word. Paul is talking about being a doer of the Word and not a hearer only.

I see different meanings when i read these verses. But I respect your opinion on them....and I also believed closer to what you believe in the the pass as well.

Progress as been made. Look forward to reasoning with you on the next subject/Thread.

 

[Neogaia777]

I think we have to consider that say, for example, John's vision in Revelation, was for John, is metaphors and symbolism's John could understand...

God Bless!

 

[BukiRob]

Many testimonies of people who have "went there" or died and came back is the biggest support I have to this theory... Please note I said "theory" not fact (yet)...

God Bless!

I have hesitated to post this but what the heck...

Perhaps you may have heard of Theomatics AKA Bible code. As you may know some ancient languages used the letters of their alphabet to reflect a numeric value. The Romans are best known for this. What perhaps is lesser known though is that both the Greeks and Hebrew languages used this same principle.

Let me be CLEAR. Theomatics is NOT numerology which is a sin.... Theomatics is the examination of words and phrases mathematically to see if there are parallels found in scripture. We know for certain that G-d uses numbers in the plain text and certain numbers have meaning associated with them as they are found repeatedly in scripture.... 70 for example is often reflected to mean the nations. 12 is associated with the 12 tribes. 7 and 3 are G-d associated numbers. 6 is mans number....

*But not only does theomatics give us confirmation of the Bible's validity from an apologetic standpoint. The mathematical patterns in the text will also reveal the fact that God never intended ~ in the eternal sense ~ that His Word be understood only by the rules of grammar and the facts of history (the common grammatical-historical method that all schools of theology strictly follow). The words of the Bible and their literal meanings are only the outer shell.

 

[BukiRob]

The Luciferian Rebellion:

The one major topic that has dominated theomatics research over the past decade, has involved the fall of Lucifer and the angels from heaven, and how all of that connects to the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden. There is a massive and humungous picture behind that entire event that will explain all of the Bible and the major reason why this world exists. This, Lord willing, will be the topic of our next book ~ The Luciferian Rebellion.

As human's we are born into this world. We grow up, we marry, we breed and produce more humans. We work hard all of our lives, only to look forward to retirement, buying a motor home, and then dying. This cycle has been going on for centuries. What is the meaning behind it?

Then we look at all the problems and suffering in the world, and we ask ourselves, "If there is a God, why does He allow such depravity?"

When our child gets sick and dies, we ask again, "What is the meaning?"

When our marriage ends in divorce and our lives are shattered, "What is the meaning to that? Why do bad things happen to seemingly good people?"

What theomatics is beginning to reveal, is the manner in which all of us are connected to the original rebellion that took place prior in heaven. Theomatics is beginning to reveal that BIG PICTURE of why God Himself became a man, was born into this world, and died on a cross in order to save us from our sins.

It is only because of Adam's fall that this world exists, not the other way around. Theomatics explains why all of us are born sinners. It all ties into the angelic rebellion that took place prior in heaven.

 

[Neogaia777]

I have hesitated to post this but what the heck...

Perhaps you may have heard of Theomatics AKA Bible code. As you may know some ancient languages used the letters of their alphabet to reflect a numeric value. The Romans are best known for this. What perhaps is lesser known though is that both the Greeks and Hebrew languages used this same principle.

Let me be CLEAR. Theomatics is NOT numerology which is a sin.... Theomatics is the examination of words and phrases mathematically to see if there are parallels found in scripture. We know for certain that G-d uses numbers in the plain text and certain numbers have meaning associated with them as they are found repeatedly in scripture.... 70 for example is often reflected to mean the nations. 12 is associated with the 12 tribes. 7 and 3 are G-d associated numbers. 6 is mans number....

*But not only does theomatics give us confirmation of the Bible's validity from an apologetic standpoint. The mathematical patterns in the text will also reveal the fact that God never intended ~ in the eternal sense ~ that His Word be understood only by the rules of grammar and the facts of history (the common grammatical-historical method that all schools of theology strictly follow). The words of the Bible and their literal meanings are only the outer shell.

I was vaguely aware of that, (the general principles of that) (Theomatics) (didn't know that's what it was called), but, thanks for the info and details...

God Bless!