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That's not true and I don't care to rehash all of them.My end times scenario is a clear sequence of events, supported by many scriptures. Not you, or anyone has found errors in it.
I believe that the army accompanying the Lord on his return as seen in Rev 19:14 is made up of redeemed (resurrected/raptured) saints and the angels. I am of the opinion that the Lord welcoming the risen/raptured church in the air according to 1 Thess 4:17 will be a private affair. The wicked that are left behind on earth will not witness the meeting, which in turn, contradicts Rev 1:7 that "all eyes shall see him" return.Yes: the 'harpazo' that Paul prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17, happens when Jesus Returns, after the Great Trib.
But that is the gathering, as per Matthew 24:31, of His faithful people, those who remain. They will go to Jerusalem, where He will be.
I don't promote theories. Opinions like this are worthless.
That the scriptures I quote seem to you to be unrelated to the subject, is because of your preconceived beliefs.
To me, they are relevant, they apply to us in these end times.
Believers in the 'rapture to heaven', have the bad habit of throwing most of the end time prophesies to the Jews. You say; they don't apply to we Christians. That is a serious mistake and it leaves you clueless about what God really intends for His faithful people.
Everyone is raptured when they die. The body return to the earth and believers go to Heaven.One fact from Scripture completely refutes the idea of a pre-rapture.
Some angels look like us and some don't. Jesus is talking about the body we have in Heaven will be different from the body we have here on the earth. We do not have children there, but there will be plenty of children in Heaven for us to teach and raise in the admonition of the Lordwe shall be like the angels (Matt 22:30)
Everyone has their own perspective. Even Science tells us that people are very subjective. Why worry about it. People take it far to seriously that people have different opinions than they have. We are all individuals. Leave them alone and let them have their own opinions.Well if you ask 5 different people a question on cf you get 5 different answers lol
Before tribulation would have been in 30AD. Great Tribulation has been off and on for 1993 years.Here is one reason I agree with you. Most Christians who believe in a rapture want to believe that God will take His people off the earth before Tribulation starts. That sounds good if you believe in a Tribulation to come. Here's the problem ... So God will remove Christians before the trouble starts. Can you imagine how stupid that sounds to Christians in parts of the world where persecution of Christianity is already a reality?
The argument that if we pay no attention to the warnings God gives - it will all be well... did not work in Noah's day, did not work for those who heard John the baptizer.... and according to Christ in Matt 24 - does not work in the last day.Everyone has their own perspective. Even Science tells us that people are very subjective. Why worry about it. People take it far to seriously that people have different opinions than they have. We are all individuals. Leave them alone and let them have their own opinions.
God gives them over to a reprobate mind. We can try to get the infidel to see that they need to have the mind of Christ and come to a saving knowledge of the truth. We will not know for sure how successful we were until we get to heaven. We just try to take as many people with us as we can.The argument that if we pay no attention to the warnings God gives - it will all be well... did not work in Noah's day, did not work for those who heard John the baptizer.... and according to Christ in Matt 24 - does not work in the last day.
The only escape is if they are martyred. Revelation 9:6 "During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them."in Great Tribulation with no escape, but death.
Exactly! Both Christ and Paul give out very strict warnings on not being deceived on this very subject.This means that if someone comes to you and says Jesus has returned to Earth and he is now... over there... Well then that is a false coming of Christ.
A lot of people are already setup to be tripped up on that one - as it is right now and this is not the second coming... yet people are ready to "get it wrong" as we speak.
God gives them over to a reprobate mind. We can try to get the infidel to see that they need to have the mind of Christ and come to a saving knowledge of the truth. We will not know for sure how successful we were until we get to heaven. We just try to take as many people with us as we can.
Everyone is raptured when they die. The body return to the earth and believers go to Heaven.
I assume we are talking about 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and there is lots and lots of teaching on this. Better to let the Holy Spirit of God be your teacher and guide and not worry about what others think about it. This is clearly a passage about how we will be "caught up together". As we are to be of one mind and one accord now.Emun said there is no rapture. I presume he refers the false doctrine of The Rapture, and I insist that the false doctrine exists.
I assume we are talking about 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and there is lots and lots of teaching on this. Better to let the Holy Spirit of God be your teacher and guide and not worry about what others think about it. This is clearly a passage about how we will be "caught up together". As we are to be of one mind and one accord now.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
If they think there is no rapture, then maybe for them there is no rapture.
There are 12 different scriptures that use the word rapture. But there are variations in the spelling, so they do not all mean exactly the same thing. For example 2 corinthians 12:2 "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows".I believe Paul said the dead would be raised first;
If this is true then how come the New Testament says that David has not ascended into the heavens? (Acts 2:34)Everyone is raptured when they die. The body return to the earth and believers go to Heaven.
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