There IS no gravity.

[Radagast]

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[A_Thinker]

Also, the (globe) model, like you said, agrees with "many" of the fundamental observations .. but .. not all.

Continued research finds more and more of these points of observational agreement as time goes on ...

There is a proposed FE model. It also agrees with "many" of the fundamental observations.

There is no official flat earth model. Even flat earth proponents will admit to this. They won't commit. Not having a model actually makes the flat earth case easier to defend ...

 

[Rick Otto]

Don't be silly.
You should have paid attention in school.
Gravity is real.
All attempts to convince you it isn't is horse droppings.

Take your own advice.
You shouldn't have fallen into their trance at school.
Now you"re as silly as they are.
I will decide for myself what is real, thank you snyway.

 

[A_Thinker]

It's likely to all be settled in a matter of months. Space travel has gone commercial ...

 

[rambot]

Should we say that something is right, just because we have believed it for half a millennia?

No. We should say something is right because people who spent years and years studying this have discovered it to be true. We can also say it's true when 500 years of tested scientific study support that theory. We can also say it's right when study after study proves it. We can also say it's right when observations support that theory.

If your whole theory falls or crumbles based on the ability of millions of individuals to tell and maintain a lie for several decades, your theory is weak.

There is a proposed FE model. It also agrees with "many" of the fundamental observations.

No there isn't. That said, this claim is SOOOOO broad and vague, I guess you could be right. I mean, it doesn't prove the point, nor support anything.

If you really wipe your white board and start from scratch... you will understand this. Those that are presenting this model as fact are not morons.

And yet I hear them say outlandishing unlearned things on this topic almost exclusively. In addition, they do not seem to adhere to what constitutes solid evidence. For example, simply stating: "The pendulum’s movements clearly do not substantiate a spinning globe." is not evidence that it doesn't do that.
Foucault’s Pendulums Do Not Prove the Earth Is Spinning | Optimal Health Revival
Relative to other branches of science, I know very little about gravitational forces, but I can tell terrible evidence from decent to strong evidence. This article is filled with terrible, terrible science.

As I read more and more about what flat earthers have to say, I am reminded of the students in my science class who are more set on being contrarians with only the BAREST scientific knowledge than learning about the science and research behind the ACTUAL theory. And, a little scientific knowledge and tremendous hubris is FAR more dangerous than sound scientific knowledge that contradicts a theory. When you have sound scientific knowledge to contradict a theory, you are able to produce a new model. If you have little knowledge and tremendous confidence, you are able to dupe other people in the same boat which ultimately becomes little more than conspiratorial stuff.

 

[rambot]

Take your own advice.
You shouldn't have fallen into their trance at school.
Now you"re as silly as they are.
I will decide for myself what is real, thank you snyway.

Sure. Just don't make your decisions on terrible, terrible evidence.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's likely to all be settled in a matter of months. Space travel has gone commercial ...

Let's get this out of the way:
Fake cardboard "rocket"
Fish eye lens
Commercial is actually government (evil NASA).....

I'm sure there's more, but I'll leave that to the "experts" here.

 

[Hieronymus]

Take your own advice.
You shouldn't have fallen into their trance at school.
Now you"re as silly as they are.
I will decide for myself what is real, thank you snyway.

Look, i know about these silly theories too.
This one is plain silly.
They've got nothing, yet people fall for it.
Probably because they suck at physics or maybe they're gullible.

Things fall down to earth because of gravity.
Things stay down on earth because of gravity.
F = m × g
This can be proven by experiment too.
Yes, density plays a role too, of course, but it wouldn't cause heavy things to sink if there was no gravity.
Gravitational pull.
We experience it every day.

Be careful who you follow.

 

[JacksBratt]

Well ... I've observed a lifetime of sunrises and sunsets, ... observations that the Flat Earth model cannot explain.

Oh man..... this is a basic 101 error... This is explained in a FE just as valid as it is explained in the globe model. Therefore it is a non valid point for either. Sun rise and sun set is of no value in this debate.

And ... I've seen the bases of the skylines of various cities I've traveled to obscured by the curve of the earth ... though I never really thought much about it before now, I'll admit.

Even though I am not a FE believer.. this is the one thing that proves that the globe that they are forcing down our throats... is not truth.

Yes, it may be way bigger.. but.. there are too many solid observable, repeatable examples of the fact that "WE.... SEE...... TOO........ FAR.... for the earth to curve at 8 inches per mile squared.
Do some digging.... people are using new high tech optics to see things that should be over the hill of the hump of the curve.

All that the globe people can say is....."refraction"... PAH.... LEEEEEEEESe.

Check it out. Look into it... Objects seen from distances that should not be possible. Not mirages...

Or.. ships that go out to sea... disappear... then, using a zoom lens.. Voila... back into view.

I don't know about you. But if a car goes over the hill on my road... I'm not going to bring it back into view by zooming in on the top of the hill.

And ... I've experienced the effects of what we here call gravity all of my life.

Things fall down... therefore.. the earth is a ball..... sound logical?

We all know that things fall down..

The problem was... with a ball... down must be down on all parts of the ball... therefore... the earth must suck.. pull.. draw... the objects to it's center.

If not.. the ball fails.

The ball had a problem.. they needed something to get over this issue.. so... they made gravity a mysterious force that is not fully understood today.. but..

"all things fall down... therefore.... earth is a sphere"....

That's not science.

In addition to all of that, I've got a degree in Mechanical Engineering, the obtaining of which included performing various experiments involving motion, speed, acceleration, gravity, and other similar forces (i.e. electromagnetics, friction, etc.) ...

Good on ya mate... so do I... Actually..one in Lab Techniques and one in Mechanical Engineering and Design

It's only been since I've gotten into the arguments for the flat earth (or not) that I even knew anything about how much the earth should curve per amount of distance traveled. BTW, the 8" per mile is an approximation that is only good for relatively short distances.

The 8 inches per mile squared works until your horizontal tangent or line of sight reaches the the vertical tangent. At this point the drop is infinite. Which makes sense as the globe must curve all the way around to meet back up to your line of site from behind you.

However. It need not be a problem as most things beyond that distance are not visible due to humidity, dust and distortion in the atmosphere due to varying densities at different temperatures. This means that even with the most powerful telescope.. your not going to look at the coast of Africa from the US coast.

One of the things that got me questioning is the fact that on a lake of 11 miles in length... the drop.. due to curve... is 80 feet..
I always thought that the earth was huge.. dropping 80 feet in 11 miles is very fast. This makes the earth a lot smaller... does it not?

 

[JacksBratt]

We've known that the earth is a sphere for a long time. From Wiki ...

The earliest reliably documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 6th century BC when it appeared in ancient Greek philosophy but remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical given and calculated Earth's circumference. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

We also thought that Lemmings ran off of cliffs and killed themselves.. Or that you caught a cold from being cold... or that chameleons change color for camouflage..frogs and toads give your warts... Ostriches stick their heads in the sand...the list goes on.. Thinking that one idea is a fact and rock solid for many generations... not a good metric for if it is truth or not. ...

 

[JacksBratt]

The point is that there is a globe model ... which agrees with many of the fundamental observations made by people for two and a half millennia ... both scientists and non-scientists.

There is not even one proposed flat earth model ... precisely because of issues with agreement with many of the fundamental observations made by people through the millennia ... and not even agreement amongst its proponents.

So, to sum this up... The earth is a globe because many people agree that it is and they have agreed this for a long time.

Good logic...not.

People used to think that putting leaches on you was a good way to heal you. Or... better still.. just drain your blood.. that will fix ya up some quick.

 

[JacksBratt]

And the global model is the only model that is in agreement with the known and experimentally well verified laws of physics.

Except that they still don't know how gravity works. And.. they cannot prove in any experiment that we are spinning or moving.. at all.

Not to mention that while we are supposedly spinning, we are also orbiting the sun. The sun is moving through space at an incredible pace... while our galaxy is also spinning...

But.. for some reason, with all this spinning and orbiting and super fast travel through this vast space... the stars and constellations remain exactly in their places.. year after year... decade after decade, century after century, millennia after millennia.. totally unchanged and unaltered. hmmmm.

 

[JacksBratt]

There are many. Maybe you should do some actual study.

Maybe it would be simpler if you could give us a couple of examples.

 

[Aldebaran]

So, to sum this up... The earth is a globe because many people agree that it is and they have agreed this for a long time.

Good logic...not.

People used to think that putting leaches on you was a good way to heal you. Or... better still.. just drain your blood.. that will fix ya up some quick.

People used to think the earth was flat at one time too, but then discovered otherwise, and then man made technological advances and learned even more. Then man eventually reached his limit and began reverting back to ignorance and forgot that the earth was a globe and resorted to sitting at a computer all day long arguing with people about it, proving that all good things must end.

 

[JacksBratt]

It's likely to all be settled in a matter of months. Space travel has gone commercial ...

Lets hope so..

 

[JacksBratt]

No. We should say something is right because people who spent years and years studying this have discovered it to be true. We can also say it's true when 500 years of tested scientific study support that theory. We can also say it's right when study after study proves it. We can also say it's right when observations support that theory.

Can you give us a couple of scientific studies that prove that we are a ball.. or spin.. or orbit and move through space?

 

[JacksBratt]

People used to think the earth was flat at one time too, but then discovered otherwise, and then man made technological advances and learned even more. Then man eventually reached his limit and began reverting back to ignorance and forgot that the earth was a globe and resorted to sitting at a computer all day long arguing with people about it, proving that all good things must end.

OR... men used to know the truth... but... with all the scientific proof that we move and spin... Oh... wait... no evidence of this yet.

Could it be that Satan has influenced men to propose a globe earth model which makes the whole Darwinian, atheistic, evolutionary fairy tale possible.

Like I said before.. the flat enclosed earth makes man the center of God's attention. A footstool if you will. It destroys the big bang and evolution.... We are no longer a speck of random dust in a vast, ever expanding void...

No.. we are not random.. Not a speck of dust and it demands a creator.

The earth on it's "foundations" suddenly makes sense.
The earth which "will not be moved" suddenly makes sense.
The earth with "four corners" now possible.

 

[Rick Otto]

Sure. Just don't make your decisions on terrible, terrible evidence.

Don't let terrible people decide for you what is evidence.

 

[Aldebaran]

OR... men used to know the truth... but... with all the scientific proof that we move and spin... Oh... wait... no evidence of this yet.

Could it be that Satan has influenced men to propose a globe earth model which makes the whole Darwinian, atheistic, evolutionary fairy tale possible.

Like I said before.. the flat enclosed earth makes man the center of God's attention. A footstool if you will. It destroys the big bang and evolution.... We are no longer a speck of random dust in a vast, ever expanding void...

No.. we are not random.. Not a speck of dust and it demands a creator.

The earth on it's "foundations" suddenly makes sense.
The earth which "will not be moved" suddenly makes sense.
The earth with "four corners" now possible.

And yet it makes God not need to be very great since everything we see is everything there is and that's it. One planet with a dome over it. How small! And yet His Word asks, "What is man that God should be mindful of him?", which indicates that we are a much smaller part of creation that you make it sound with your view of things.

 

[Rick Otto]

And the global model is the only model that is in agreement with the known and experimentally well verified laws of physics.

And the most trustworthy foxes all agree the henhouse is completely safe.