There IS no gravity.

[Hieronymus]

Please... feel free to post these experiments and basic scientific facts.

I already explained a lot in previous posts.
Do you have a specific question?
Maybe i have a specific answer.

 

[JacksBratt]

You expressed that poorly. We know exactly how gravity works in the sense that we know its effects so well that we have been able to navigate probes to every planet, to many moons, a few asteroids and to the edge of the solar system. What we don't have is a solid theory that explains the cause of gravity.

Thank you... I did word that poorly... well stated.

The cause of gravity... elusive.

 

[JacksBratt]

Maybe (i don't know).
You know what is a fact though?
That trees grow slightly twisted. Especially near the poles.
They follow the sun so the trunks are twisted.
And guess what: In the south of the equator they're twisted in the opposite direction.

You just proved that they are twisted due to the path of the sun... not Coriolis.

Also, the wind direction in the south is, as you have already stated... different.

This is no proof of Coriolis or spin of the earth.

Koodo's though... I never heard that one before..

Good topic to investigate.

 

[JacksBratt]

Then, perhaps YOU could explain how this happens on a flat earth ?

What is it that reverses the spinning vortex of storms from one side of the equator to the other ... if there is no spin.

Do I have to prove what causes cancer, in order to be correct when I say that it's not due to eating popcorn?

On the FE model, the wind direction is very symmetrical. Did God not say that there are angels that sit at the corners of the earth and see when the wind goes out and when it returns...

I am not an expert.. I just know that Coriolis... is an explanation, that has been presented but has no foundation. It sounds good and people will accept it. Until you dig a bit..

For instance. A bullet or any projectile, once it leaves the barrel, is no longer fastened to the ground and thus it is free. The earth, then, starts to rotate under it, causing the bullet to appear to drift..

Well... This is not the case with airplanes.

I saw an engineer do an explanation of this. And, if Coriolis was correct, no long range flight would be able to land due to the vast side slip of the plane in accordance to the earth spinning under it. Especially in trying to land on a North / South Runway.

 

[JacksBratt]

I already explained a lot in previous posts.
Do you have a specific question?
Maybe i have a specific answer.

Sorry.. can you go over which post has a specific and direct explanation of anything that proves that we:
Spin
Orbit
or
are a ball.

 

[Hieronymus]

Sorry.. can you go over which post has a specific and direct explanation of anything that proves that we:
Spin
Orbit
or
are a ball.

Just scroll up.
EDIT: O wait, new page..
Here's the link to it:
There IS no gravity.

 

[A_Thinker]

I saw an engineer do an explanation of this. And, if Coriolis was correct, no long range flight would be able to land due to the vast side slip of the plane in accordance to the earth spinning under it. Especially in trying to land on a North / South Runway.

Runways, generally, run East/West ... due to the Coriolis Effect ...

Why are most runways laid out in a generally East-West direction?

"While there are many exceptions to east-west runways, generally speaking prevailing winds (which blow from a single direction) blow east-west rather than north-south. It happens because of Earth's rotation generates Coriolis effect."

 

[Hieronymus]

Thank you... I did word that poorly... well stated.

The cause of gravity... elusive.

Indeed, they're not sure.
But that doesn't make the phenomenon less real.

 

[rambot]

Can you give us a couple of scientific studies that prove that we are a ball.. or spin.. or orbit and move through space?

Honestly I don't know how to find scientific research from the 1600 and 1700s. This stuff has been studied and incontrovertible for 2 centuries. Then 21st century man thinks he's stumbled acrossbsomething never before considered.

Gimme some time and I'll look for some junior high or high school astronomy textbook

 

[rambot]

And the most trustworthy foxes all agree the henhouse is completely safe.

And the most paranoid chickens keep staring at the abyss trying to create evidence from nothing.

 

[Arius]

We've known that the earth is a sphere for a long time. From Wiki ...

The earliest reliably documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 6th century BC when it appeared in ancient Greek philosophy but remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical given and calculated Earth's circumference. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

My dear friend, seriously, stop and think a minute. Trillion dollar NA$A claims to have gone through our so called "solar system" -

NASA - On February 17, 1998, Voyager 1 reached a distance of 69 AU from the Sun and overtook Pioneer 10 as the most distant spacecraft from Earth. Travelling at about 17 kilometers per second (11 mi/s) it has the fastest heliocentric recession speed of any spacecraft

yet here is what TPTB at NASA give us to un-explain Gods creation the earth, and instead present Lucifer's creation:

Tell me One thing in this CGI-created cartoon video above that's actually taken by any so called space probe like the Voyager or Pioneer? Here is what we get:


- "Voyager I fires it's Dormant Thrusters for the first time after 37 years"

The proof, .. right there, I mean how could anyone deny this? Voyager is pictured right above as it's passing the god-Jupiter, .. or is it Mars? (.. all these paintings look the same to me.)

Here is their proof that Voyager I and II is really flying through space:


Now if we FE'r were getting billions of dollars a month grants from the government and shown this as proof for our work, people would not only sue us to get the grant monies back, but would hang us! Yet NASA gets away with it because our entire government is run by NASA.

We have no cameras zoomed in on earth from the ISS or ANY other so called spy satellites, just CGI cartoons and Photoshop images, or that ridiculous "Live Streaming of the globe from the ISS", so if that's enough for anyone to believe God is not the Creator, .. then hey, what can we FE creationists say, .. right?

Here is how Globe earthers planets were formed: (these images are no different than any other that NASA has given us of earth, or any other so called planets. So you could say this was an actual photo taken 4 billion years ago!)

 

[rambot]

Out of curiosity why is it we don't listen to NASA? Which kind of New Work Order is going on?

Its not the NASA means deceive in Hebrew nonsense is it? Because it doesn, for the record.

 

[JacksBratt]

There's a lot here so bear with please..

No, not really...

I don't consider that a strong point for argument. Well, not really.

Of course it is.
When the sun disappears behind the horizon while it is still up the further West you go, etcetera...

FE has that figured out too... they cancel each other out.

Not a matter of forcing:
PROOF the earth is a spinning globe: Sextant (navigation), night sky varies with latitude,

A lot of this is also backed and explained by a person who understands the proposed FE model. I suggest you look into this.. but be careful. Each one of them started off exactly like you.. thinking it's preposterous.

Many of the problems with people understanding the FE is that they forget that the FE has the sun, moon and stars very very close... not light years or millions of miles away.. This can throw ya.

slightly less gravity on the equator than on the poles due to centrifugal force,

Ya see.. I argued, a while back, in an old thread, that this should be observed.. However, a strong globe earth person fought tooth and nail that this would not be so and if it was, would be too small of a change to measure.. So, now, I don't know if it is a measurable fact or some fabrication... more study needed.

Good point though.

maps and distances. This is impossible in a flat earth model. No need for flying freemasons and their ambiguous video footage.

Maps are far easier to explain a flat earth..
Once you start wrapping it around a ball.. things go wonky. Continents are bigger or smaller and things get confusing. Even the 12 CGI images of our supposed "Blue Marble" cannot get the sizes right.

Man has concluded the earth is a globe long long ago.

Yep, they also concluded that a witch would float.

This is true, sometimes.
BUt if you had done some proper research, you would have known this, especially over water, is due to air density
and thus refractive index differences causing light to bend along the curvature of the earth.

Well then.. check out the example of the man that did this on land, in the US, with three different mountain ranges over 100's of miles of varying distances that don't show any evidence of curve.

The effect on light rays is that they will be bent downward, following the curvature a little, because it's slowed down more in dense air than in less dense air.
Especially water vapour, close to water, makes air denser.

Again, remind me to get this for you if you cannot find it for yourself. This guy did his homework and the mountains don't conform to the curve.

Yeah, the refraction effects also work on laser light.

Except when it is done for a TV production. Complete with narration by Steven Hawking. Then the laser shoots off at a rate perfectly matching the 8 inches per mile squared... Too bad that they have been shown to be actors and the video was severely edited and torn apart by those that can prove such a circus act.

So i explained it to you, because it seems you didn't understand it.
Or maybe you don't want to.

Thanks but I have seen all of this before. I have been following this debate for a year or so and this is all basic stuff.

To me. It neither proves or disproves either model.

I am still on my quest for truth.

What would it take for you to believe that the earth is flat?

 

[Hieronymus]

My dear friend, seriously, stop and think a minute. Trillion dollar NA$A claims to have gone through our so called "solar system" -

NASA - On February 17, 1998, Voyager 1 reached a distance of 69 AU from the Sun and overtook Pioneer 10 as the most distant spacecraft from Earth. Travelling at about 17 kilometers per second (11 mi/s) it has the fastest heliocentric recession speed of any spacecraft

yet here is what TPTB at NASA give us to un-explain Gods creation the earth, and instead present Lucifer's creation:

Tell me One thing in this CGI-created cartoon video above that's actually taken by any so called space probe like the Voyager or Pioneer? Here is what we get:


- "Voyager I fires it's Dormant Thrusters for the first time after 37 years"

The proof, .. right there, I mean how could anyone deny this? Voyager is pictured right above as it's passing the god-Jupiter, .. or is it Mars? (.. all these paintings look the same to me.)

Here is their proof that Voyager I and II is really flying through space:


Now if we FE'r were getting billions of dollars a month grants from the government and shown this as proof for our work, people would not only sue us to get the grant monies back, but would hang us! Yet NASA gets away with it because our entire government is run by NASA.

We have no cameras zoomed in on earth from the ISS or ANY other so called spy satellites, just CGI cartoons and Photoshop images, or that ridiculous "Live Streaming of the globe from the ISS", so if that's enough for anyone to believe God is not the Creator, .. then hey, what can we FE creationists say, .. right?

Here is how Globe earthers planets were formed: (these images are no different than any other that NASA has given us of earth, or any other so called planets. So you could say this was an actual photo taken 4 billion years ago!)

So because NASA are untrustworthy freemasons that have been caught lying and misrepresenting stuff, the earth is flat?
LOL

 

[rambot]

My dear friend, seriously, stop and think a minute. Trillion dollar NA$A claims to have gone through our so called "solar system" -

NASA - On February 17, 1998, Voyager 1 reached a distance of 69 AU from the Sun and overtook Pioneer 10 as the most distant spacecraft from Earth. Travelling at about 17 kilometers per second (11 mi/s) it has the fastest heliocentric recession speed of any spacecraft

yet here is what TPTB at NASA give us to un-explain Gods creation the earth, and instead present Lucifer's creation:

Tell me One thing in this CGI-created cartoon video above that's actually taken by any so called space probe like the Voyager or Pioneer? Here is what we get:


- "Voyager I fires it's Dormant Thrusters for the first time after 37 years"

The proof, .. right there, I mean how could anyone deny this? Voyager is pictured right above as it's passing the god-Jupiter, .. or is it Mars? (.. all these paintings look the same to me.)

Here is their proof that Voyager I and II is really flying through space:


Now if we FE'r were getting billions of dollars a month grants from the government and shown this as proof for our work, people would not only sue us to get the grant monies back, but would hang us! Yet NASA gets away with it because our entire government is run by NASA.

We have no cameras zoomed in on earth from the ISS or ANY other so called spy satellites, just CGI cartoons and Photoshop images, or that ridiculous "Live Streaming of the globe from the ISS", so if that's enough for anyone to believe God is not the Creator, .. then hey, what can we FE creationists say, .. right?

Here is how Globe earthers planets were formed: (these images are no different than any other that NASA has given us of earth, or any other so called planets. So you could say this was an actual photo taken 4 billion years ago!)

Its amazing to me that the millions of people who have or who do work at NASA are doing such a great job at being tight lipped about the "truth". Its so shocking that it makes me doubt the entire story line that NASA is organization of evil incarnate.

What are your thoughts on the space programs of China, Iran, Europe, canada, japan, india, and Russia? Are they just as evil or are there?

I only say this because I worry you are spreading dangerously false testimony against someone with no proof of their personal culpability.

 

[Arius]

And the global model is the only model that is in agreement with the known and experimentally well verified laws of physics.

Laws of physics, .. like gravity, right? Where every other so called planet with different sizes/mass pull things to their ground at different speed, EXCEPT Earth's. The Globe earth will pull ALL masses, even Jupiter at the same 9.807 m/s^2, .. lol.
There is physics, and then you have sci-fi pseudoscience which has become same as science. People been so brainwashed by sci-fi that they can't differentiate between the two. That's why when you go to a Science Fair, Darth Wader welcomes you at the door, and Storm troopers direct you to different projects.

 

[Arius]

It's likely to all be settled in a matter of months. Space travel has gone commercial ...

Wow, 3 seconds of the "Billion dollar view", .. with a cheap fisheye lens camera like Baumgartner's free-fall jump, .. only his curvature of the globe was far greater then this one!?

 

[JackRT]

Laws of physics, .. like gravity, right? Where every other so called planet with different sizes/mass pull things to their ground at different speed, EXCEPT Earth's. The Globe earth will pull ALL masses, even Jupiter at the same 9.807 m/s^2, .. lol.
There is physics, and then you have sci-fi pseudoscience which has become same as science. People been so brainwashed by sci-fi that they can't differentiate between the two. That's why when you go to a Science Fair, Darth Wader welcomes you at the door, and Storm troopers direct you to different projects.

9.807 m/s^2 is the acceleration due to gravity at the surface of the earth ---- about 4000 miles from the centre. At 8000 miles from the centre (ie. 4000 miles above the surface) it would be 2.452 m/s^2. I'll leave it to you to calculate the strength at the distance of Jupiter. You seem to know just enough physics to confuse yourself. I've actually judged Science Fairs and I missed Darth Wader (your spelling) and the Storm Troopers.

 

[Hieronymus]

There's a lot here so bear with please..



I don't consider that a strong point for argument. Well, not really.

It was in reaction to your matter of factly claims without arguments, so...

FE has that figured out too... they cancel each other out.

What cancels eachother out?
And how can it be light day and night in the summer on Antarctica, if Antarctica is supposed to be the outer perimeter of a flat earth?

A lot of this is also backed and explained by a person who understands the proposed FE model. I suggest you look into this.. but be careful. Each one of them started off exactly like you.. thinking it's preposterous.

So you've got nothing.
And guess what: Neither do they.
I asked, and asked some more, and decided to email one of the FE Gurus.
They only suggest to "look into it" and "do research".
So i did, and there's no solution.
It's just not there.

Many of the problems with people understanding the FE is that they forget that the FE has the sun, moon and stars very very close... not light years or millions of miles away.. This can throw ya.

It doesn't explain reality.
It's just more nonsense to try and sell the FE myth.
(By the way, the sun is only 8 light minutes away.)

Ya see.. I argued, a while back, in an old thread, that this should be observed.. However, a strong globe earth person fought tooth and nail that this would not be so and if it was, would be too small of a change to measure.. So, now, I don't know if it is a measurable fact or some fabrication... more study needed.

Good point though.

Well, i came across a FE argument at the time, that if the earth was spinning 1 revolution per 24 hours, the centrifugal force would make things on the equator fly off the earth...
So i looked into it, because it seemed to me the spin would indeed cause a lot of centrifugal force.
But when you calculate it, using fairly basic laws of physics, it's only a small effect.
But none the less, it's there.
I forget the numbers, but i think it was like 0.1% or something. maybe more though.
I don't remember and didn't make notes or bookmarks.

Maps are far easier to explain a flat earth..

No they're not.
longitudinal distances would be enormous closer to the south pole (or outer rim) compared to closer to the north pole (or centre)

Once you start wrapping it around a ball.. things go wonky.

Yes, but a map is a spherical surface 'mapped' on a rectangle.
You know the real map is like a flattened out orange peel, with cuts.

Continents are bigger or smaller and things get confusing. Even the 12 CGI images of our supposed "Blue Marble" cannot get the sizes right.

Yes, but that's because NASA pictures are often ambiguous.
But it would also depend on the distance between the camera and the sphere.
Close to the sphere with a wide angle lens or far away with a zoom lens is very different from eachother.
But as i pointed out, we don't need NASA to prove anything.
Airplanes are very helpful though.
And so are satellites.
The pictures from the sky make a map that only match up on a sphere.
And the distances on a globe model match reality.
For practical purposes maps are rendered in 2 dimensions.
And that's fine for relatively short distances.

Yep, they also concluded that a witch would float.

I doubt that was an actual conclusion.
It's something completely different though.
If only because witches have to do with the supernatural, unlike observations and discoveries regarding our natural reality.
Man has a need for navigation on the seas and a need to be able to tell time.
A need to make maps, a need to satisfy the hunger for knowledge about common reality.
Man likes to analyse things and discover consistencies, so they can determine the rules and laws of nature.
By the way, the magnetic field you can observe with a 3D compass everywhere is consistent with a sphere with 2 opposite poles.
Closer to the poles the needle will point down.
Classic toroidal lines.

Well then.. check out the example of the man that did this on land, in the US, with three different mountain ranges over 100's of miles of varying distances that don't show any evidence of curve.

It's probably debunked too..
Many FE experiments have been debunked because of mistakes that were made.
Of course the FE gurus won't tell you that or admit to it.
But i don't think i've come across your example, so i don't know.

Again, remind me to get this for you if you cannot find it for yourself. This guy did his homework and the mountains don't conform to the curve.

Well, isn't that the thing with mountains (and valleys), that they don't conform to the curve?
But feel free to pop us a link when you have one.
Could be interesting.

Except when it is done for a TV production. Complete with narration by Steven Hawking. Then the laser shoots off at a rate perfectly matching the 8 inches per mile squared... Too bad that they have been shown to be actors and the video was severely edited and torn apart by those that can prove such a circus act.

And that's the crazy part of this whole thing.
Why the fakery and doubtful "facts" when there is so much clear evidence that leaves little to no doubt about the shape of the earth?
Besides, maybe Hawking was a fake himself.
Or maybe just a biological prop they could give a robot voice and have him say anything they wanted?
But that's another disturbing subject...

Thanks but I have seen all of this before. I have been following this debate for a year or so and this is all basic stuff.

To me. It neither proves or disproves either model.

I am still on my quest for truth.

What would it take for you to believe that the earth is flat?

Well, as i said, as a Bible believing Christian, and having learned that modern day truths aren't necessarily true at all, i was in favour of the Flat Earth model.
And there seem to be / seem to have been certain 'forces' behind propagating certain beliefs about our Earth, the solar system and outer space, with an agenda behind it.
So i was very much open to the idea.
I mean, they have millions of people believe a pointless point in the middle of nothing exploded* into what we have and what we are today...
So i wanted to know more about this too.
So i looked for evidence.
But it failed the test afterall, and meanwhile the globe did not fail.
I guess i would be 100% certain if i had a rocket that could fly me around the earth so i could see for myself.

*they don't want us to call it an explosion though, because it sounds to destructive. They want us to call it an expansion, albeit a very fast one...

 

[Arius]

Its amazing to me that the millions of people who have or who do work at NASA are doing such a great job at being tight lipped about the "truth". Its so shocking that it makes me doubt the entire story line that NASA is organization of evil incarnate.

I was one of the "millions of people" who worked on NASA projects, (5-axis CNC Aircraft Machining) pretty critical parts too that we were not to know anything else about, "top secret" you know, .. hush-hush, .. we wouldn't want Russia or China to steal the 'technology', .. lol (I laugh now, because that part I was working on may have been the ones sent to Russia, or even China)
I used to eat that up, .. I felt proud to be part of the space-race, especially when we were racing against the Axis-of-Evil.
.. until I stopped for a second to see a video a FE debater (now my friend, and consider him God-sent) whose ideas I was taking lightly with smart-alecky remarks before he shown me a video.
The video wasn't even about NASA-space, but it just stopped me long enough to realize that "what we thought we knew, what we were taught for all our lives about the earth may have been all lies, and the truth was still there, only I have to look deeper to find it.
I turned to science, not just accepting what TPTB tells me what's science, and my eyes started to open and realized EVERYTHING NASA told us about space travel were Lies. The Only Real thing was rockets being shot up in the air, turning, and disappearing into the horizon. The rest was whatever NASA Sci-Fientists (that's right, that is exactly what they are, sci-fi artists) shown us through CGI art.

What are your thoughts on the space programs of China, Iran, Europe, canada, japan, india, and Russia? Are they just as evil or are there?

No, not Russia. Russia found out that we're in a Dome, but NASA bought out whatever technology they had shooting up rockets, and then (from historical data) they were paid well to Keep this from the public with much needed wheat and money, stolen from Jews during the war, and now that they took over the US Military, .. from the US taxpayers.
The rest of the countries know this, and want to be considered as "Technologically Advanced", (or science-smart) also, because as you know, if you wear the Einstein's E=MC^2 symbol on your college sweater, or mention space, globe, satellites, or listen to space- music;

you are considered cool, sciency and smart, and so of course the rest of the countries want to be considered "smart" too, so they ask NASA for permission to advertise to the world that they-too sent up satellites and, men on the moon, and that they have just as good artists to draw/paint planets as NASA has, so NASA gives them permission, .. for a cost of course.
They are not evil parse, just want to be sci-fi-cool too, and be considered smart.

I only say this because I worry you are spreading dangerously false testimony against someone with no proof of their personal culpability.

Jesus Christ is my Brother, my Lord and my Savior, I follow Him, and would never spread false accusations against anyone. And just as Jesus did, we Believers follow in his footsteps:

Mathew 5:14 -
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

It is from my concern for humanity, and their soul salvation (just as it is for most FE from what I've seen), that from the years of investigating and studying I would share what I (and other FE's) have found about these lies-gone-wild and reveal them.

Bell- Curve - NASA's 33 degree Kline-Connection formed July 29 1958