There IS no gravity.

[rambot]

Hey @JacksBratt what @rambot is asking for is actual scientific videos with "quality of evidence" like this:

Only 1 minute 56 seconds long, and covers all the math., .. this is how their "moon" was formed, spun around in orbit of the earth, and then both chunks of rocks (Globe and their moon) got smoothed out nice and round as they rubbed themselves on the sand paper; Spacetime Fabric over Carl Sagan millions and billions, and trillions of years:

That's not quality scientific evidence. Its a video that is based on what scientists feel is compelling scientific evidence to describe the creation of those two bodies. See, if you wanted to show me evidence youd show me the calculations NASA used to create that video. A video isn't evidence of antrhing.

All students have the opportunity to learn what constitutes good evidence in school.

 

[Arius]

That's not quality scientific evidence. Its a video that is based on what scientists feel is compelling scientific evidence to describe the creation of those two bodies. See, if you wanted to show me evidence youd show me the calculations NASA used to create that video. A video isn't evidence of antrhing.

ANY game-programmer could have make that cheap video in 10 minutes, now if you want to see real program-engineering, it is what they put in them online-games, like; World of Warcraft.
But even with all that math, the game is not real.

All students have the opportunity to learn what constitutes good evidence in school.

True, .. except when it comes to your holy-Globe, then, when the teacher is explaining Globe-fiction in science, and should my child raise his hand and say: "The Earth is Flat, and gravity does not exist", .. the teacher will say: "What, .. are your parents stupid or something?" And all the little Globetard raised on globe-TV and space-TV like the Jetsons, Lost In Space with their little E-MC^2 sticker on their lunchboxes would laugh and mock him.

 

[A_Thinker]

when the teacher is explaining Globe-fiction in science, and should my child raise his hand and say: "The Earth is Flat, and gravity does not exist", .. the teacher will say: "What, .. are your parents stupid or something?"

I think that you underestimate most teachers, ... and that they would handle the situation with more tact than you display here. Also, you shouldn't allow your child to directly confront a teacher like that. If a teacher is teaching something anathema to you, your child should tell YOU, and YOU should take any action necessary, which may include finding another educational option for your child.

And let's face it ... you KNOW that the public education system is going to be teaching the globe. Public schools have been teaching the globe since the founding of the modern nations.

Why would you put your child into a position where your beliefs will be so surely challenged ?

 

[rambot]

ANY game-programmer could have make that cheap video in 10 minutes, now if you want to see real program-engineering, it is what they put in them online-games, like; World of Warcraft.
But even with all that math, the game is not real.



True, .. except when it comes to your holy-Globe, then, when the teacher is explaining Globe-fiction in science, and should my child raise his hand and say: "The Earth is Flat, and gravity does not exist", .. the teacher will say: "What, .. are your parents stupid or something?" And all the little Globetard raised on globe-TV and space-TV like the Jetsons, Lost In Space with their little E-MC^2 sticker on their lunchboxes would laugh and mock him.

Is this the flat earth version of a Poe?

 

[JacksBratt]

Scientists at least have the humility to seek out the answers to their questions, rather than decide what the answers are before they seek ...

I would have agreed with you here, a few decades ago... or more even.

However, I work with applied science and it is far different than "theoretical science".

In the application of the laws of chemistry and physics... the result is what is correct. Whatever you "feel" or "want" is out of the question. The media you are working with will respond a certain way. This is dictated by science.

We have a saying here.. the material... did not read the text book. We get clients that want a certain result.. however... the material will behave according to it's physical properties and the physics or chemistry that we apply to it. It does not care what the text book says or what the client wants or feels.

It's really hard to get clients to understand this.

I have found that science used to be men and women, doing tests, repeating them, and then using the information gained to learn where it takes them.. they then follow this and carry on to new tests and theories.

It seems to me that it is no longer like this. It is no longer a process of an unknown being exposed by a winding road of trial, error, trial, success... until you reach the answer.

Now, it seems like "science" has a predetermined and desired answer. Thus, all observations that keep you on the track to this predetermined and desired answer.. is written in stone. However, any data, observations that take you off this predetermined track... are tossed, destroyed, covered up and ignored or hidden.... No matter how repeatable or blatantly obvious.

The second problem with this is that educated people will cling to the presentations of this new controlled science and ridicule anyone that comes out with repeatable observations that contradict it..

 

[JacksBratt]

Force = 0.0000000000667408 × M × m / d^2

This is true both on Earth and in space.

Proven by experiment.

All good. At this rate it should not matter the scale.. it should scale up or down... If two snooker balls, less than one millimeter away from each other, on a smooth surface, do not move together.. due to their mass and distances.. then how is the sun, a ball of gas, going to have an affect on Pluto.. a tiny rock multi millions of miles away?

It makes no sense.

 

[A_Thinker]

All good. At this rate it should not matter the scale.. it should scale up or down... If two snooker balls, less than one millimeter away from each other, on a smooth surface, do not move together.. due to their mass and distances.. then how is the sun, a ball of gas, going to have an affect on Pluto.. a tiny rock multi millions of miles away?

You're just hypothesizing ... not even using real numbers. Science is about getting the numbers (i.e. details) right.

 

[JacksBratt]

You're just hypothesizing ... not even using real numbers. Science is about getting the numbers (i.e. details) right.

So, if you were to scale down the sun to 8/10's of an inch, the earth would be 7/1000's of an inch and 2.5 yards away.


You seem to think that the "force" of gravity, when scaled up to our true universe, as presented... is strong enough to hold earth in an orbit.. However, scale it down and you are telling me that a solid object 8/10's of an inch is going to pull an object that is 7/1000's of an inch and 2.5 meters away...... but... two snooker balls, less than a millimeter apart... will have no affect on each other..

NOW... does that not sound preposterous?

 

[A_Thinker]

So, if you were to scale down the sun to 8/10's of an inch, the earth would be 7/1000's of an inch and 2.5 yards away.

You seem to think that the "force" of gravity, when scaled up to our true universe, as presented... is strong enough to hold earth in an orbit.. However, scale it down and you are telling me that a solid object 8/10's of an inch is going to pull an object that is 7/1000's of an inch and 2.5 meters away...... but... two snooker balls, less than a millimeter apart... will have no affect on each other..

NOW... does that not sound preposterous?

I'd have to check your math to come to a conclusion, but ... part of what you are failing to consider is the effect of the gravity of the Earth upon the "snooker balls".

For the snooker balls' gravity to cause motion, ... their gravitational force would have to overcome the gravitational force of the Earth, which is massively greater. This is similar to the situation with Earth's moon. The Sun does exert a gravitational force upon the moon, but the gravitational force exerted by the earth upon the moon is massively greater, because of the earth's proximity. Therefore, the Earth "holds' the moon in its orbit.

For all intents and purposes, Pluto is a fairly free floating body (i.e. there are no large bodies nearby which have significant effect upon Pluto). So the Sun becomes the major player, holding Pluto in its orbit.

 

[JacksBratt]

I'd have to check your math to come to a conclusion, but ... part of what you are failing to consider is the effect of the gravity of the Earth upon the "snooker balls".

For the snooker balls' gravity to cause motion, ... their gravitational force would have to overcome the gravitational force of the Earth, which is massively greater. This is similar to the situation with Earth's moon. The Sun does exert a gravitational force upon the moon, but the gravitational force exerted by the earth upon the moon is massively greater, because of the earth's proximity. Therefore, the Earth "holds' the moon in its orbit.

For all intents and purposes, Pluto is a fairly free floating body (i.e. there are no large bodies nearby which have significant effect upon Pluto). So the Sun becomes the major player, holding Pluto in its orbit.

I understand the mechanics of your argument...

However, the vast and insurmountable distances in space, compared to the snooker balls... even considering the force of earths gravity on the snooker balls...It is only pulling down...

Sorry, but, without even using or intending this to have any sort of implementation to the globe or FE models.... it's wacked..... The sun is way to far away.

I akin it to the cartoon with "Foghorn Leghorn" and his brainy nephew... His nephew keeps doing outrageous things... a paper airplane that shoots down Foghorn's... Pitching a baseball that puts a hole through the bat.... in hide and seek, calculating a spot on the ground where he digs up Foghorn who had hid in a wooden box by the barn....

All of these wacky and outrageous events, clearly impossible... are backed up and proven by the little brainiac's mathematical calculations.

Foghorn just accepts it and retorts that it "all adds up".

Maybe even back then when the animators and writers produced this ... they knew that we were falling for a bunch of squiggles, dashes, parentheses and "Pi R squared's" on a huge chalkboard of fabrication.

 

[JacksBratt]

 

[Radagast]

All good. At this rate it should not matter the scale.. it should scale up or down...

If you scale down by a factor of 0.1, mass scales by 0.001 (assuming constant density), distance scales by 0.1, gravitational force scales by 0.0001, and gravitational acceleration scales by 0.1. That's just basic math, using the formula.

Gravitational force for a pair of snooker balls is 0.0000000005 newtons each. Basic math again, using the formula (remember that the relevant distance is distance between centres). Not enough to make them roll.

NOW... does that not sound preposterous?

We don't go by sound; we go by math.

Maybe even back then when the animators and writers produced this ... they knew that we were falling for a bunch of squiggles, dashes, parentheses and "Pi R squared's" on a huge chalkboard of fabrication.

Well, if that's your attitude to math, you will never understand any aspect of science.

 

[Radagast]

For the snooker balls' gravity to cause motion, ... their gravitational force would have to overcome the gravitational force of the Earth, which is massively greater.

That's not actually true. There are multiple gravitational force vectors that combine together using vector math.

For the small outer planets, for example, the gravitational force vectors of the Sun and of Jupiter are both important.

Similarly, with tides on Earth, we can see Sun and Moon effects combine.

 

[A_Thinker]

That's not actually true. There are multiple gravitational force vectors that combine together using vector math.

Being as you are the one who seems to be most on top of this ...

Can you give us a sense of what the gravitational force would be between the Sun and Pluto ?

Unfortunately ... it's a bit too late for me. I can probably do it ... but it would have to wait until tomorrow ...

 

[Radagast]

Can you give us a sense of what the gravitational force would be between the Sun and Pluto ?

On average, a force of about 5 × 10^16 newtons, giving a sunwards acceleration of about 4 × 10^-6 m/s^2, which keeps it in its orbit

Right now, Jupiter exerts a force on Pluto of about 8 × 10^13 newtons as far as I can tell, but this varies a lot as they orbit.

 

[A_Thinker]

On average, a force of about 5 × 10^16 newtons, giving a sunwards acceleration of about 4 × 10^-6 m/s^2, which keeps it in its orbit

Right now, Jupiter exerts a force on Pluto of about 8 × 10^13 newtons as far as I can tell, but this varies a lot as they orbit.

Thank-you for your hard work ...

 

[Radagast]

Love that "vector math",

You claim to be somehow brighter than all the "sheeple" of the past 2500 years, but you can't do basic high school vector math?

 

[Arius]

On average, a force of about 5 × 10^16 newtons, giving a sunwards acceleration of about 4 × 10^-6 m/s^2, which keeps it in its orbit

Right now, Jupiter exerts a force on Pluto of about 8 × 10^13 newtons as far as I can tell, but this varies a lot as they orbit.

And now add your imaginary Pluto's gravity to Jupiter's, and watch what happens inside the NASA computers solar system (the only 'space' that NASA has ever explored)? Yep, it will say "DANGER Will Robinson, .. DANGER! The planets are crashing into each other, we must 'duck and cover'!"

 

[Arius]

You claim to be somehow brighter than all the "sheeple" of the past 2500 years,

I did not "claim" to be brighter than anybody, .. far as I know?? I was raised till 16 as a 'dumb, rotten dog that just wouldn't die!' Or that's what my mother and 6 siblings told me all the time as they all beat me.​

but you can't do basic high school vector math?

Yeah, I was busy trying to stay alive being locked in the bedroom at day, and in the shed, or outside under my mothers window at night (like this I could pretend my mom was next to me) while other kids were going to school, so I got about 2 to 3 years of public education, .. and now I learn as I go.​

I just looked up this "vectoring", it's 25 minutes long, so tomorrow ask me what do you want to know?

 

[Radagast]

I did not "claim" to be brighter than anybody, .. far as I know?? I was raised till 16 as a 'dumb, rotten dog that just wouldn't die!' Or that's what my mother and 6 siblings told me all the time as they all beat me. ​

That's a tragic story, and I'm very sorry to hear it.

I'm not sure how that explains or justifies your posts, though. Especially the way that you call the space industry, the GPS industry, the airline industry, the surveying industry, the ancient Greeks, and quite a few other people liars.