There is A flood Story that is OLDER than both bibles

[drom]

never mind i am just going to edit it out to many people would get mad about this.

 

[paulewog]

I've heard this before.

The Bible says it's a worldwide flood. The Bible was inspired by God.

End of story. God's Word is good enough for me - how is it that these ancient tablets are automatically supposed to be right, even over what GOD said? Seems odd.

Please proove to me that God is not real...

 

[drom]

like i said these tablets are older like almost 1000 years before your JESUS CHRIST. than the bible new or old test.  So you can believe your bible but its all false.

 

[paulewog]

hehe... there it goes

 

[paulewog]

hehe, so what if it's older? it's not God's Word.

 

[drom]

no its isn't started, well for me its over, i don't want to argue with these people.

and if you want to know what i said here.

 

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I have a qestion for all the people that believe that there was a Flood that covered the earth and there was a Special guy that was to get every animal and put them in a ark.&nbsp; Well I have to let you people know about something if you havn't heard it yet,&nbsp; there is like 4 other flood stories,&nbsp; and one of them is the first, and i have to let you people know that the first great flood story isn't from the bible.&nbsp; Everyone HERE is going to get mad at me now.&nbsp;

A group of scientist a few years ago was in Iraq and found a few tablets, and one of the tablets had a story of a Great Flood, and there was a Special guy that that was suppose to build a ark and save all the animals.&nbsp; And these Tablets are almost 1000 years old before christ and Noah.&nbsp; And there is no proof of a Great Flood that covered the earth, no where and i mean nowhere.&nbsp; There is only Stories, and they are all the same copied from the first one but just changed and change and changed until getting put in the bible.&nbsp;

ok here is where it gets good here is something&nbsp;for you people....

So you want to know what the Great Flood was huh, ok i will tell you.&nbsp;There was&nbsp;a Flood called&nbsp;<B>The Black Sea Flood, if you havn't heard of it i wouldn't be surprised.&nbsp;&nbsp; </B>A long time ago there was a earthqauke that caused a landslide and one of the Mountains that hold back the Mediterranean Sea fell into the sea and the Sea flooded the Area of the Black Sea.&nbsp; If you were there at the time you would have thought it was the end of the world there would have been a great flow of water coming at you and you couldn't get out of its way.&nbsp; And there is proof of this a group of people took a robot and a camera down to the flood of the sea and they found a big landscape.&nbsp;

So I believe and alot of people believe what i believe that the Great Flood ever happened.&nbsp; People can look for the Ark but they will never find it. OH&nbsp;btw&nbsp;<B>if you don't know what i am saying well here it is the bible is false a fake book just like all the other books that say there is a god GODS are not real, not even christians GOD.&nbsp; PROOF ME WRONG.&nbsp; I want someone to proof to me that a god is real and it has a heaven.&nbsp; Proof it and not just say its real CAUSE its in the dang BIBLE.&nbsp; </B>

<B>I feel So sorry for the people that want to believe everything that says GOD or has it in it.&nbsp; PEOPLE need to stop thinking that when they die there going to a HELL or HEAVEN,&nbsp; just cause it is in a&nbsp;bible or krian. so i am sorry if you get mad at me but i am just telling you want i think. now you tell me what you think.</B>
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[wildernesse]

paulewog:

If the Bible were proven to be completely and utterly untrue, would God cease to exist?

--tibac

 

[drom]

yep

 

[drom]

Originally posted by paulewog
hehe, so what if it's older? it's not God's Word.

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lol if the flood story isn't true then the bible is't true.

 

[paulewog]

You're right. If the flood story isn't true, the Bible isn't. I'm glad you recognize that, a lot of people try to pick out parts of the Bible that are true (making them the judge).

But just becuase something is older does not make it true, and the Bible false. Especially some stone tablet. By the way, how did they date it?

What is the use of arguing about if God would exist if the Bible was false? God exists, and the Bible is true. There is no reason to consider non-reality - God is a reality. That is like considering what would happen if I actually did not exist, would my computer exist? Hm.

But, I'll answer in an indreict fasion - God exists because we see evidence of Him all over in His creation.

However, without the Bible, we have NO way of knowing Him, and we would know VERY little about Him.

But, as I said... the Bible's true. So ... no use considering a false reality.

 

[paulewog]

I know, I'll be said to be very ignorant and narrow minded.... but the Bible cannot be proven wrong (though people have tried for about 2000 years now ).

And by the way, you cannot prove Creation, nor Evolution, nor God, scientifically. It is impossible

 

[wildernesse]

If there is a verified account of a biblical event older than the Bible itself, it means that the Bible is not the original telling of that event or story. Or it means that there is a common issue in all of humanity and that people try to explain it the best way they know how--and the best way they know how is very similar.

drom, if you were reading an outdated science book that contained some error in the section about insects, does that mean that everything in the book is false too? That the chapter on mammals is erroneous as well? I don't think so.

--tibac

 

[drom]

Originally posted by paulewog
You're right. If the flood story isn't true, the Bible isn't. I'm glad you recognize that, a lot of people try to pick out parts of the Bible that are true (making them the judge).

But just becuase something is older does not make it true, and the Bible false. Especially some stone tablet. By the way, how did they date it?

What is the use of arguing about if God would exist if the Bible was false? God exists, and the Bible is true. There is no reason to consider non-reality - God is a reality. That is like considering what would happen if I actually did not exist, would my computer exist? Hm.

But, I'll answer in an indreict fasion - God exists because we see evidence of Him all over in His creation.

However, without the Bible, we have NO way of knowing Him, and we would know VERY little about Him.

But, as I said... the Bible's true. So ... no use considering a false reality.

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I like your reply.&nbsp; But there was dates on the tablets, and carbonating&nbsp;if you what to find more about the stories you can search at google.com but you will find alot of sites that say stuff that isn't true, but if you look at the right sites the sites from real&nbsp;colleges and news stories you will find what i am talking about.

 

[paulewog]

But how would you know what to trust in that science book anymore =)

So, has this stone tablet been verified? Who else saw this flood account happen? Did you?

Did you know there are MANY many many flood accounts, and they all are similar to the Biblical one?

 

[wildernesse]

Science doesn't deal with the supernatural, therefore it doesn't examine God or the idea of Creation. It simply explains the way the natural world works through natural processes, the best way we know how.

paulewog, if you are never going to consider hypotheticals, how do you know that you are correct in all of your beliefs? Never mind, you probably don't want to answer that either. Don't try to take a philosophy class is my advice or do any kind of planning.

--tibac

 

[paulewog]

Real Liberal news and Evolutionist colleges..... hehe. It is very biased, you never hear about the "apemen" that turned out to be hoaxes that everyone believed, you never hear about things the Bible stood for and people made fun of until it was discovered that that was true, etc.

Carbon dating, since the flood, is even unreliable.

Regardless, though - that stone tablet was not inspired by God. For all you know, it could be just another myth.

 

[drom]

Originally posted by wildernesse
If there is a verified account of a biblical event older than the Bible itself, it means that the Bible is not the original telling of that event or story. Or it means that there is a common issue in all of humanity and that people try to explain it the best way they know how--and the best way they know how is very similar.

drom, if you were reading an outdated science book that contained some error in the section about insects, does that mean that everything in the book is false too? That the chapter on mammals is erroneous as well? I don't think so.

--tibac

I understand what you are saying, and no i am not.&nbsp; IF you want to see something for your self.&nbsp; at 12:00 am est on the TLC channel there is a documentry about what i just talked about that will be on. Watch it.&nbsp; I have been reading about it for a while now, i have been waiting for this documentry.&nbsp; but the bible was writen but a group of people that didn't even know that there was any other countries like the usa in that time, so when they said the world they mean't there part of the world, there part of the world is all they knew that exite back then.

 

[paulewog]

Hypotheticals outside of reality are not smart.

Ever present example: Can God make a boulder He cannot lift? What's the use of the question, anyways. It is making an impossible situation (thus outside of reality, if you will). That's like asking Can a square make a circle? or something like that

Science does not deal with the unobservable, either.

 

[drom]

Originally posted by paulewog
Real Liberal news and Evolutionist colleges..... hehe. It is very biased, you never hear about the "apemen" that turned out to be hoaxes that everyone believed, you never hear about things the Bible stood for and people made fun of until it was discovered that that was true, etc.

Carbon dating, since the flood, is even unreliable.

Regardless, though - that stone tablet was not inspired by God. For all you know, it could be just another myth.

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HAHHA i said that lol&nbsp;&nbsp; the story from the bible is also a myth hahhahah, if you don't know that you are talking about don't say anything please, or first read what someone wrote.

 

[drom]

Originally posted by drom
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HAHHA i said that lol&nbsp;&nbsp; the story from the bible is also a myth hahhahah, if you don't know that you are talking about don't say anything please, or first read what someone wrote.

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i said that the one that is older than the bible is false and so is the one in the bible, the one in the bible is a copy from the one on the tablets.