Theory on the origin of evil

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this shadow (of darkness) seeks not to snatch it up now.

Then it will grow darker.

 

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Have your read C.S. Lewis' The Space Trilogy - Wikipedia? I've only read Perelandra (The Space Trilogy, #2) by C.S. Lewis, but he gives a really believable account of how other worlds may be, in fact, the story is about a character named "Ransom" who is on assignment to a newly formed world and he has to aid the Adam and Eve counterparts there. Not to mention The Chronicles of Narnia - Wikipedia, in which he also depicts parallel universes. His Space Trilogy is geared more towards an adult audience...I got to read the other two books of the trilogy soon.

LOVE C.S. Lewis!

Yes, I've read the entire space trilogy.

C.S. Lewis was genius in a lot of ways. Screw-tape Letters is another good one!

 

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God could have "destroyed" this destruction, but that would just perpetuate the presence of that destruction. He had to overcome it and that's why He created.

Unchannel exists?

 

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To channel, or not to channel...that is the question.

 

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If there was no venue of transgression, there would be no hope of living in an eternity that eventually eliminates the possibility of being corrupted. Thus the need for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Without the tree there's no redemption!

This will take some time.

 

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The Light is to be channeled--something that the unchannel (evil) cannot do.

*And that the evil one is so bent on becoming...void...

Interesting observation there!

You are correct, the darkness can not be channeled because it's chaos. And I think this is (at least one application of) what Jesus means when He says: A kingdom divided against itself can not stand.

Not sure Satan is "becoming more void" because his fall was so absolute. @Pavel Mosko had said something that made me ponder / realize the vast difference between the fall of Adam and the fall of Satan. Satan had a lot more information than Adam had; which makes Satan's treason so absolutely profoundly diabolical. Satan was the epitome of cowardice!

Jesus stats of Satan that there is no truth in him. There is no light in him. I can't imagine being an entity that has no light. That would have to be the closest to the lake of fire that anything in this current order of creation would be.

Satan is such a weenie!

 

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So, since we know the "soul / spirit / breath of life" comes from God. How does His presence in evil's domain ultimately overcome it? The presence of God's character is obvious in creation; life as opposed to death, love as opposed to hate, good as opposed to evil. Even so, that presence isn't strong enough to overcome the wiles of this destructive evil. It can't do so because of the mortal nature of the creatures' existence. As stated before, creation is corruptible.

You're saying this post fall right?

 

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God though, being eternally existent, can overcome anything that isn't. So the perfect way to deliver His created order from corruption is to become part of that created order

So, we were just created to be in Channel, but we fell to channels as we gravitated to unchannel...so Channel became channel to once and for all oust unchannel...so that channels becomes ONE in CHANNEL...?

 

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Then it will grow darker.

Yes! and it does grow darker. We see this over time; especially as it applies to "religiousness". I was pondering this as I was driving home tonight. There's a parable Jesus gives about a man who "puts his life back together" and "the house is swept clean" Yet an abundance of demons who are more wicked than the ones "evicted" come and take up residence. That's a profound parable.

There's two types of wicked in this world. There's the sinner who's in open transgression and knows it; but than there are the legalists. They are actually more wicked than the one in open rebellion because pride prevents them from seeing their own wickedness.

"Did we not say Lord Lord..... Be gone from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you!"

THAT IS THE FLIPPIN SCARIEST VERSE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE!

And YET that darkness can not overtake God's purpose in redeeming His people.

 

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So, we were just created to be in Channel, but we fell to channels as we gravitated to unchannel...so Channel became channel to once and for all oust unchannel...so that channels becomes ONE in CHANNEL...?

Interesting way of putting it!

 

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You're saying this post fall right?

No. That statement is about God's power (because He's God) to force His will upon the darkness; even post fall. Evil would completely unravel into nothingness anything God did if God was not omnipotent.

 

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where did evil come from? We know it's not eternally existent. We know it didn't come from God or any of His creation

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Where did unchannel come from? We know it is in time. We know it didn't Channel.

The only thing I'm picking up with this is space...we know, there is no life in outer space...

*Am I spacing out here?

**But, "channel" implies space...distance...

 

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It sounds like something out of the world of science fiction though

"...out of the world" or in the world "of science fiction"?

*Imagination...

 

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Maybe everything has to be just right before we flash out from this earth...chasing an eternal night...

*FOR WE ARE WORTHY OF CHANNELING!

 

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Translation:

Where did unchannel come from? We know it is in time. We know it didn't Channel.

The only thing I'm picking up with this is space...we know, there is no life in outer space...

*Am I spacing out here?

Outer space I would say is a distinct physical representation of this "darkness" that evil is.

Space is a vacuum. There was a Russian (I think he was an astronomer) scientist who'd theorized that space is not cold; space is hot. He theorized that because of the radioactive electromagnetic energy that's in space. (This is released by stars.)

His theory raises an interesting question about whether or not space travel is actually possible (and if not, obviously could not have happened). Can you burn small scale fuel in a vacuum, even carrying your own fuel / O2 supply? (I don't know enough about physics to answer that question.)

And can we create shielding for a space ship that is adequate enough to protect life from the massive amounts of radiation coming off stars? (Especially when one considers the structure of the Van Allen Belts.)

Now there are lots of people who question whether or not man has actually been to the moon. Now if the answer to my previous questions is "no"; than the answer to the moon question would also be no.

If this Russian scientist is actually correct; than this means that the environment in outer space is actually that much more hostile than simply trying to get passed the Van Allen belts.

So, considering what outer space represents of darkness. It would not surprise me at all if God has designed all life (be it on earth or some other planet) as "planetary bound".

Which raises another question? How do radio waves (which are really short) coming from say the Mars rover; get through the Van Allen Belts as well as all the atmospheric interference once having reentered earth's orbit, seeing how these very long and powerful radio active waves can't get through the Van Allen Belts?

Still, I don't know enough about physics to be able to answer these questions - but it makes me wonder!

"Fake news" goes back centuries!

 

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*Imagination...

...... is a great servant but poor master!

*FOR WE ARE WORTHY OF CHANNELING!

We are worthy of.... --------- (pft!) (that's why we need to be Channeled).

 

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I think you're right in a certain point that the first "toe hold" was likely doubt. Yet I don't believe doubt was the "darkness" that came into being as the reaction to God's action.

In psalm 139 we see that doubt can exist without sin. Doubt is a possibility for any created entity who has not omniscience in its created state. Doubt requires a decision to be made though. Does one go down the "rabbit trail" that doubt creates of their own lack of knowledge; or do they ask God for clarification? Those are the two choices.

Psalm 139 is a Messianic psalm that gives us a lot of information about the internal processing of Jesus as to His understanding and perception of Himself in this world. It's an extremely fascinating psalm when dissected. In this psalm though, He talks about His doubts. Now what would Jesus doubt - we'd ask ourselves.

I'm not sure, I have some guesses based on other sections of Scripture. One thing we do see is that Jesus was not omniscient in the flesh. His Divine nature was omniscient; yet the fullness of that knowledge was not readily apparent to His human mind. If He wanted to know something, He still had to ask, just as the rest of us do.

Now why was He not omniscient in the flesh. That had to do with being an appropriate sacrifice and not having an "advantage" over Adam in the nature of His humanity.

You follow me on this one?

Yes, I said the potential to doubt, was the toe. That small nudge of unworthy feelings, after a while, became uncertain thought...thought that led to fear...many more steps...all the way to the pride (the ultimate unchanneling)...and what we know the evil one most for. You're right, at that initial nudge, he should have asked...prayer closes all distance.

 

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...... is a great servant but poor master!



We are worthy of.... --------- (pft!) (that's why we need to be Channeled).

When we deny this, we deny His work in us.

 

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So, is the origin of evil, communication breakdown?

 

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"Communication is a process beginning with a sender who encodes the message and passes it through some channel to the receiver who decodes the message. Communication is fruitful if and only if the messages sent by the sender is interpreted with same meaning by the receiver. If any kind of disturbance blocks any step of communication, the message will be destroyed. Due to such disturbances, managers in an organization face severe problems. Thus the managers must locate such barriers and take steps to get rid of them.

There are several barriers that affects the flow of communication in an organization. These barriers interrupt the flow of communication from the sender to the reciever, thus making communication ineffective. It is essential for managers to overcome these barriers. The main barriers of communication are summarized below."
Communication Barriers - Reasons for Communication Breakdown

*He is the Sender, the Channel, and the Decoder!