Theology behind prepping and even investment in general

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Simply desiring the worldly, the carnal, the fleshly, is sin.

 

[createdtoworship]

"Where your heart is your treasure is also." I treasure personal freedom above all else, in the material sense. I turned down a position that would have enriched me many times more than my current job, but I would have been a slave to a high pressure company. My job allows me complete autonomy with stress free work and loads of free time.

Wow what I blessing! I have always dreamed of doing stock trading. Most day traders trade for a few hours in the morning from six to eight, and take rest of day off. If I did long term investing I would have even less time than that. But God knows I need to work with my hands for my own health. So He has not given that to me. But I am glad you have a job you love and loads of free time, spend it with family. As you said you are older, so you must spend it with people you love.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

But you have many years of experience with God. Younger men in general are given to pride and frivolity. That is why it says in timothy I believe that a man be older, married and have some years under his belt before going into a leadership position. So this is about all of the people, but if you truly believe riches are tool and it does not puff you up with pride, and you realize it as from God. Then that is probably one of the reasons why God blessed you with wealth.

as far as your investment for your son, pray about it. Make sure your life is right with God before, during and after your investment strategy, as in order not to put your investment at risk. Realestate is not going anywhere. That is always a good investment.

And doesn't require a degree in rocket science. Some common sense and hard (but enjoyable) work and you're on the way.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I treasure personal freedom above all else

Keyword Search: doubting - BibleGateway

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... 1:6 [Full Chapter]. But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.


Calling the crowd to join his disciples, he said, “Anyone who intends to come with me has to let me lead. You’re not in the driver’s seat; I am. Don’t run from suffering; embrace it. Follow me and I’ll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to saving yourself, your true self. What good would it do to get everything you want and lose you, the real you? What could you ever trade your soul for?

Source: Mark 8:34-37

 

[createdtoworship]

Simply desiring the worldly, the carnal, the fleshly, is sin.

I agree. But it depends on why, and a host of other things. Franklin Graham the president of samaritans purse, may desire a million dollars, but that would go to things like feeding starving children across the world. So not all wealth is bad or worldly.

 

[createdtoworship]

And doesn't require a degree in rocket science. Some common sense and hard (but enjoyable) work and you're on the way.

common sense is not that common. Wisdom in general is not that common, mainly because people don't read proverbs the book of wisdom, and apply it. God has been slowly encouraging me to work harder, I am extremlely lazy, my hedges will be overgrown and I will be typing away at a computer keyboard. It's a source of contention with my wife actually. But if that carried more into my work, I am sure the Lord would bless us with more. So again, common sense is not that common.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wow what I blessing! I have always dreamed of doing stock trading. Most day traders trade for a few hours in the morning from six to eight, and take rest of day off. If I did long term investing I would have even less time than that. But God knows I need to work with my hands for my own health. So He has not given that to me. But I am glad you have a job you love and loads of free time, spend it with family. As you said you are older, so you must spend it with people you love.

I'm blessed with a wonderful family without the usual drama.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I agree. But it depends on why

NO, you cannot "agree" with Scripture,
THEN say "it all depends" on something else....

 

[OldWiseGuy]

common sense is not that common. Wisdom in general is not that common, mainly because people don't read proverbs the book of wisdom, and apply it. God has been slowly encouraging me to work harder, I am extremlely lazy, my hedges will be overgrown and I will be typing away at a computer keyboard. It's a source of contention with my wife actually. But if that carried more into my work, I am sure the Lord would bless us with more. So again, common sense is not that common.

True that. I am blessed with the love of work, which greatly expands your experience, and thus your common sense (if you are paying attention).

My philosophy is pretty much the opposite of the world. I give more and take less, which I believe is a vital key for success in most ventures.

Growing up the 1940's, when no one had anything, gives one a different perspective on money and wealth. Later generations have no idea.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I agree. But it depends on why, and a host of other things. Franklin Graham the president of samaritans purse, may desire a million dollars, but that would go to things like feeding starving children across the world. So not all wealth is bad or worldly.

Who owns the money is less important than it's availability to the community through low interest bank loans. I have money in several banks and credit unions but I have no control over it during the term of the contract. Others are able to borrow it for various things. And today's low interest rates are not 'usurous' (sp?) in the negative sense.

 

[createdtoworship]

"part of that" post is false teaching, apparently.

WHOEVER (simply) desires to be wealthy falls into many temptations, etc ....

covetousness is a sin in the Bible. We desire wealth normally for selfish reasons, so I can have a nice house in comparison to my rich friend and show him I can do it too, or to have a nice car to show the ladies that I am well off. It's all about image and self. And that does not touch biblical christianity with a ten foot pole. If we realize everything we have is God's to begin with, then frivolous spending goes out the window, money wasting stops, value oriented investing starts and our investment grows instead of diminishes. you become rich simply by reason of being faithful with what you have, not by coveting your neighbors things. One guy lives in greed, another guy follows God even to the poor house, and God sees his faithfulness in the few, and gives him much. It's all about motive. However even if you have the right motive, riches as I said in other posts, may not be God's will for you. In fact I would say 99 percent of christians cannot handle riches, and that is why God didn't give them it. If I had wealth out my ears I would be like the prodigal son, partying, inviting all my church buddies to my raves on my huge mansion, showing off all my stuff, like hezekiah did in the old testament, just before the invasion that took it all away. I would be like a prodigal son, I would waste it. And the parable would be accurate, the money that God gave me I partied with, instead of invested, and it was diminished. I would not be faithful with it. See if you won ten million at the lottery. You could pray for wisdom, save it, and you could literally have one to 2 hundred thousand a year salary just off the interest if you put it in a bank, if you put it in corporate bond, you could have five hundred thousand a year income. But 99 percent of people who get rich quick lose it due to greed. And that would be me. I am not sure I would be wise enough with it. More importantly my spiritual life would suffer. See right now I pray for my bills and my things that God protects them, makes them last, that we make enough in summer to pay for bills in winter. That type of thing, part of my walk with the Lord is getting my daily manna that He provides. If God was to just provide infinite manna, I would no longer need Him. It's not that God needs us, it's that we need to need Him. It's part of our motive to be close to Him. And if that is gone, it takes a lot more spirituality to find common ground with your maker. At least for me. And I realize this is a shallow way of seeing it. But ultimately riches can be a curse. I heard a story of a man going to bible study praying for his business to succeed and the pastor prayed and they all prayed, and it succeeded. Five years later after he was wealthy he was not going to Bible study anymore, his marriage was suffering. And the pastor met with him and said "I am worried for you, you don't go to bible study anymore, your marriage is on the rocks, your attitude has changed since you became successful." And The man looked at the pastor with hate in his eyes, not humility. Later on he went through a divorce. See riches can be a source of temptation that we are not ready for. So I thank God that I am not poor, but I thank Him also for unanswered prayers that I didn't know would sabotage me.

 

[createdtoworship]

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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Funny.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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When told that he 'can't take it with him' the greedy old man sat up in his death bed and declared, "If I can't take it with me...I ain't going!"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Psalms 37:12-29 The wicked make evil plans against good ...

https://www.bible.com › ICB
The wicked make evil plans against good people. They grind their teeth at them in anger. But the Lord laughs at the wicked. He sees that their day is coming.

 

[createdtoworship]

When told that he 'can't take it with him' the greedy old man sat up in his death bed and declared, "If I can't take it with me...I ain't going!"

Psalms 37:12-29 The wicked make evil plans against good ...

https://www.bible.com › ICB
The wicked make evil plans against good people. They grind their teeth at them in anger. But the Lord laughs at the wicked. He sees that their day is coming.

I did a study a while back. And to be honest I was bitter at God for allowing me to lose all my savings for five years (about 5,000). It was not much but it was all of my recycling, all my christmas presents all my spare cash. It was everything I had. And it was gone. So I was angry. Then I realized something, I could be mad at all those people I follow that told me a particular investment was good, but people don't make you bitter, situations don't do it either. Bitterness was in your head and the situation revealed it. Who put you in that situation? God alone did. It was his fault, not your neighbors. Christ could have been bitter at the Romans and Jews who were present at His crucifixion, but instead said "forgive them, for they know not what they do." Jesus realized it was God who orchestrated the cross. It's important to see the whole picture, why is God testing me? Is there something I did wrong? Is there something I need to learn before this trial will end?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Jesus realized it was God who orchestrated the cross.

Before anything even existed, Yahuweh and Yahushua, echad, PLANNED the crucifixion, perfectly.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I did a study a while back. And to be honest I was bitter at God for allowing me to lose all my savings for five years (about 5,000). It was not much but it was all of my recycling, all my christmas presents all my spare cash. It was everything I had. And it was gone. So I was angry. Then I realized something, I could be mad at all those people I follow that told me a particular investment was good, but people don't make you bitter, situations don't do it either. Bitterness was in your head and the situation revealed it. Who put you in that situation? God alone did. It was his fault, not your neighbors. Christ could have been bitter at the Romans and Jews who were present at His crucifixion, but instead said "forgive them, for they know not what they do." Jesus realized it was God who orchestrated the cross. It's important to see the whole picture, why is God testing me? Is there something I did wrong? Is there something I need to learn before this trial will end?

You'll sort it out in time.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's important to see the whole picture, why is God testing me?

Note in Scripture somewhere (will look up later , God Willing), God tests people with riches. (to see if they will keep the riches and keep desiring them, to fall away from and opposed to Jesus and Torah)....

Is there something I did wrong?

Certainly.

Is there something I need to learn before this trial will end?

No.
With the trial, the trial may end long before you learn something. You may never learn something.

It may be a test to show positively God's approved faith in man -
and it may be a test with that hope, but prove in the end the man following an idol (riches).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Before anything even existed, Yahuweh and Yahushua, echad, PLANNED the crucifixion, perfectly.

Jesus was 'slain' from the foundation of the age, not the earth. The foundation of the age began with the sin of Adam and Eve.