Theistic Evolution - A position

[SavedByGrace3]

Sorry folks. The Hebrew word שמים (shamayim) is plural and should be translated as “heavens.”

The suffix "im" is like our "s", and denotes a plural.

Thanks

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry folks. The Hebrew word שמים (shamayim) is plural and should be translated as “heavens.”

The suffix "im" is like our "s", and denotes a plural.

Thanks

If you're interesting in fixing your signature, "hungry" is spelled: aitch ... you ... en ... gee ... are ... y.

 

[Split Rock]

QV the conversation in progress.

If you think that's "convenient," you explain it.

Simple. Being "KJVO" means you don't have to worry about the original writing and intent of the authors, while still maintaining that every single word in the KJV1611 version is absolute, inerrant, divine revelation.

 

[Strathos]

AV doesn't subscribe to all of that Hebrew stuff. I mean, it's not like it's the language the prophets of the OT actually spoke, or anything...

 

[bhsmte]

AV doesn't subscribe to all of that Hebrew stuff. I mean, it's not like it's the language the prophets of the OT actually spoke, or anything...

Well hey, Noah was from Jersey, so they must have spoke English, right?

 

[Split Rock]

Excuse me AV, do you intend to acknowledge your error? It is clear cut. You made a claim that has been absolutely refuted, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. There are several adjectives that could be used to describe such behaviour, but I shall restrain myself, hopeful that you will do the right thing. I am waiting.

You have to understanding, that for a KJVO advocate like AVET, the KJV1611 bible trumps all other versions. Therefore, in his mind, he has not made any error.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have to understanding, that for a KJVO advocate like AVET, the KJV1611 bible trumps all other versions. Therefore, in his mind, he has not made any error.

Think like a KJVO for a minute, Rocky ... have I?

 

[RickG]

Think like a KJVO for a minute, Rocky ... have I?

If Adam & Eve spoke English, why are original scriptures in Hebrew?

 

[Split Rock]

Think like a KJVO for a minute, Rocky ... have I?

Yes, if I were to take the (in my opinion) erroneous KJVO position, then I would agree that you are correct. That is what I was trying to explain to Ophiolite.

 

[Split Rock]

If Adam & Eve spoke English, why are original scriptures in Hebrew?

The original scriptures obviously were not in Hebrew (taking up AVET's argument). All because the earliest versions we know are (or in some cases are in Greek), doesn't mean they are the original. In fact, I would say no scholar believes we have any originals.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Adam & Eve spoke English, why are original scriptures in Hebrew?

Moses edited the writings of Adam, Seth, Abraham, et alii, into one book called Genesis.

That's why it's long title is: The First Book of Moses, called Genesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

In fact, I would say no scholar believes we have any originals.

Correct.

Not the original originals, anyway.

The original originals were called autographs, since they were written in the handwriting of their [mundane] authors.

 

[Freodin]

Moses edited the writings of Adam, Seth, Abraham, et alii, into one book called Genesis.

That's why it's long title is: The First Book of Moses, called Genesis.

Moses spoke Greek?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sorry folks. The Hebrew word שמים (shamayim) is plural and should be translated as “heavens.”

The suffix "im" is like our "s", and denotes a plural.

Thanks

Good info! Thanks

The plural and singular are also different in the greek.

Notice the amount of times the plural heavens in used in the KJperV vs some other versions.

YLT uses it a staggering 527 times!

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

KJV Search Results for "heavens"
"heavens"
occurs 133 times in 127 verses in the KJV.

"heavens"
occurs 172 times in 167 verses in the NKJV

"heavens"
occurs 527 times in 493 verses in the YLT.

The famous Lord's Prayer the greek word is plural, but the KJV uses the singular. Thoughts?

KJV] Mat 6:9
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

YLT] Mat 6:9
thus therefore pray ye: 'Our Father who art in the heavens! hallowed be Thy name.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 6:9
"Thus then be praying ye! 'Father of us! the-One in the heavens, let be being hallowed! the Name of Thee

Textus Rec.) Matthew 6:9
outwV oun proseucesqe umeiV pater hmwn o en toiV ouranoiV agiasqhtw to onoma sou

ouranoiV <3772>
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[AV1611VET]

Notice the amount of times the plural heavens in used in the KJperV vs some other versions.

Speaking of "perV's", Steve, what is Satan's angelic name, according to your YLT?

 

[bhsmte]

Moses spoke Greek?

Sure and he liked gyros too.

 

[RickG]

Moses edited the writings of Adam, Seth, Abraham, et alii, into one book called Genesis.

That's why it's long title is: The First Book of Moses, called Genesis.

Exodus 4:10
(KJV)
And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

Which is an excellent reason not to take the first 5 books literally.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Speaking of "perV's", Steve, what is Satan's angelic name, according to your YLT?

If you are talking about Isaiah 14:12,
"Shining One". Do you think that is ok?

edit to add: FWIW, I have no problem with Lucifer being used.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7286527
Isaiah 14:12 Lucifer translation

Strong's Number H1966 matches the Hebrew &#1492;&#1461;&#1497;&#1500;&#1461;&#1500; (heylel ),

1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

NKJ] Isa 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, H1966 son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

YLT] Isa 14:12
How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn!
Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.

NASB] Isa 14:12
&#8220;How you have fallen from heaven,
O star H1966 of the morning, H1966 son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!

ESV] Isa 14:12
&#8220;How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!


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[AV1611VET]

Exodus 4:10
(KJV)
And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

Which is an excellent reason not to take the first 5 books literally.

Acts 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you are talking about Isaiah 14:12,

Why do you have to start that sentence with, "If"?

Don't you know exactly what I'm asking?

If not, where does your lack of understanding come from?

The truth is, Satan wouldn't let Mr. Young write his God-given name, would he?

Hebrews 11:24 Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Satan refuses to be referred to as a son of God (i.e., angel), doesn't he?