the worldly church problem

[Jesusthekingofking]

Jesus promised that the Church would be sanctified and holy. Pastors have preached the same. So, the flock practices their Christian lives in the church, but some are disappointed when the members don't meet expectations. This can challenge one's faith and lead to a belief in evolution. There are status games, politics, and social classes at play. Although the church upholds the value of equality, there's still a small society within it. Competition can create conflicts among the members. Some may get discouraged when the world, at least, does not sugarcoat that many relationships are transactional. I'm not sure if anyone understands me here. Any thoughts?

 

[HIM]

Paul said in Galatians that we are dead but live. Yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith OF the Son of God who gave himself for us. To further this He also said that we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither male nor female. Jew or gentile. Freeman or bondman we are all one in Christ. In other words there is no "I's" in Christ but there is a lot of "I's" in the church.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

Paul said in Galatians that we are dead but live. Yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith OF the Son of God who gave himself for us. To further this He also said that we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither male nor female. Jew or gentile. Freeman or bondman we are all one in Christ. In other words there is no "I's" in Christ but there is a lot of "I's" in the church.

So this is the answer to someone who asked why the church is ugly and ready to leave? No wonder no many people want to attend...

 

[HIM]

So this is the answer to someone who asked why the church is ugly and ready to leave? No wonder no many people want to attend...

Many are called few want to actually be there

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Jesus promised that the Church would be sanctified and holy. Pastors have preached the same. So, the flock practices their Christian lives in the church, but some are disappointed when the members don't meet expectations. This can challenge one's faith and lead to a belief in evolution. There are status games, politics, and social classes at play. Although the church upholds the value of equality, there's still a small society within it. Competition can create conflicts among the members. Some may get discouraged when the world, at least, does not sugarcoat that many relationships are transactional. I'm not sure if anyone understands me here. Any thoughts?

"His" Church is not of this world. Santification and Holiness is within each individual independent from any and all congregations within walls. Corporate church institutions gather sinners. The Body of Christ gathers sheep and they hear His voice, the voice of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, those who are sealed with His Holy Spirit. We find some in and some out of corporate worship.
Blessings.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

"His" Church is not of this world. Santification and Holiness is within each individual independent from any and all congregations within walls. Corporate church institutions gather sinners. The Body of Christ gathers sheep and they hear His voice, the voice of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, those who are sealed with His Holy Spirit. We find some in and some out of corporate worship.
Blessings.

this doesn't fix the corrupted church problem. Why not take review and improve? this kind of reply is where the abuse start

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

Many are called few want to actually be there

even restaurant improve better than this. Church leadership need to go to the ground more and find out why young people prefer to hangout elsewhere than go to the church.

 

[HIM]

even restaurant improve better than this. Church leadership need to go to the ground more and find out why young people prefer to hangout elsewhere than go to the church.

No. Most, especially now prefer the World and the things of it. As was said there are to many I s in the church. The church isn't the church of Christ though there be people who are of Christ in it. And The Church if it was as a whole of Christ doesn't Change because it is and of Christ. The people (young people) change or they are not of Christ.

 

[Laodicean60]

This can challenge one's faith and lead to a belief in evolution.

Who cares about this subject or any other subject that creates division just look at the arguments here on the forum.

Competition can create conflicts among the members.

Or denominations. The body of Christ is not of one mind.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus promised that the Church would be sanctified and holy. Pastors have preached the same. So, the flock practices their Christian lives in the church, but some are disappointed when the members don't meet expectations.

What do you mean by this? Can you be specific?

This can challenge one's faith and lead to a belief in evolution.

How so?

There are status games, politics, and social classes at play. Although the church upholds the value of equality,

What value of equality does the church uphold?

there's still a small society within it. Competition can create conflicts among the members. Some may get discouraged when the world, at least, does not sugarcoat that many relationships are transactional. I'm not sure if anyone understands me here. Any thoughts?

Meaning?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

this doesn't fix the corrupted church problem. Why not take review and improve? this kind of reply is where the abuse start

Can't improve something that is temporary. Better to cultivate genuine Holy Spirit filled Christians who have everlasting life. Blessings.

 

[Marilyn C]

Jesus promised that the Church would be sanctified and holy. Pastors have preached the same. So, the flock practices their Christian lives in the church, but some are disappointed when the members don't meet expectations. This can challenge one's faith and lead to a belief in evolution. There are status games, politics, and social classes at play. Although the church upholds the value of equality, there's still a small society within it. Competition can create conflicts among the members. Some may get discouraged when the world, at least, does not sugarcoat that many relationships are transactional. I'm not sure if anyone understands me here. Any thoughts?

You are referring to man`s attempt to control the believers and organize them instead of the Holy Spirit bringing them together in small groups. However, despite man`s attempts the Head of His Body is building and maturing His Body unseen throughout the world. He knows who are His and they meet and encourage each other whether they go to a public religious meeting or not.

Rest assured the Lord has done and is doing a wonderful work. It is `people` that others look at, and yes, they can see the hypocrisy of man`s `system,` but can`t deny the walk of a true believer.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

You are referring to man`s attempt to control the believers and organize them instead of the Holy Spirit bringing them together in small groups. However, despite man`s attempts the Head of His Body is building and maturing His Body unseen throughout the world. He knows who are His and they meet and encourage each other whether they go to a public religious meeting or not.

Rest assured the Lord has done and is doing a wonderful work. It is `people` that others look at, and yes, they can see the hypocrisy of man`s `system,` but can`t deny the walk of a true believer.

let's be practical here, am I just ignore it and pretend I didn't see it? when a real issue arise, pastor always give excuse saying things like' the Lord take care of it', 'it"s satan's work', 'there's a hidden plan why God did this'

that's why the church never grow, coz even the worldly method can response better than that. like starbucks take survey from the public can see where to improve.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

Can't improve something that is temporary. Better to cultivate genuine Holy Spirit filled Christians who have everlasting life. Blessings.

how to do that practically?

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

No. Most, especially now prefer the World and the things of it. As was said there are to many I s in the church. The church isn't the church of Christ though there be people who are of Christ in it. And The Church if it was as a whole of Christ doesn't Change because it is and of Christ. The people (young people) change or they are not of Christ.

this is just a fact, but if this is the attitude for the pastoral office, the church number can just drop from 1000 to just 10. Didn't Jesus say take care of his sheep? are you going to say back to him 'I thought they're the chosen one so I just trust you'?

 

[Marilyn C]

let's be practical here, am I just ignore it and pretend I didn't see it? when a real issue arise, pastor always give excuse saying things like' the Lord take care of it', 'it"s satan's work', 'there's a hidden plan why God did this'

that's why the church never grow, coz even the worldly method can response better than that. like starbucks take survey from the public can see where to improve.

Can you see into every heart all over the world? Well then, I wouldn`t be too quick to measure the Lord`s great work of maturing His Body by man`s poor meeting efforts.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

Can you see into every heart all over the world? Well then, I wouldn`t be too quick to measure the Lord`s great work of maturing His Body by man`s poor meeting efforts.

I expect your diligent spirit will ask 'how can we do better?', like better than customer service of any wordly business. Look at the attendance numbers, ask why people are leaving, what did we do wrong or missed out... Jesus ask you take care of his sheep no? He didn't ask you to be content and point out 'oh this is wheat, false believers, we're fine with it'

 

[Marilyn C]

I expect your diligent spirit will ask 'how can we do better?', like better than customer service of any wordly business. Look at the attendance numbers, ask why people are leaving, what did we do wrong or missed out... Jesus ask you take care of his sheep no? He didn't ask you to be content and point out 'oh this is wheat, false believers, we're fine with it'

I don`t believe that man`s religious public meetings are THE CHURCH. They are just man`s religious public meetings.

Jesus knows who are His. It is a heart matter, not who attends man`s religious public meetings.

Jesus did NOT say `Go and make religious public meetings. He said `Go make disciples...` That is personal, takes time and effort and much prayer by a person NOT an organisation.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

how to do that practically?

Cultivate genuine Christians? Recieve His Holy Spirit, this is how. Blessings