The World According....To Playboy?

[LovesEnduringPromise]

You make a LOT of assumptions.

Why can sex not be a way to simply be physically close with annother human being? In this age of connection, most people have lost the inherant ability to do something as simple as be close to annother person. We dont think of touch as important, but it goes a long way psychologically.

Why can it not be fun? Why can it not be for pleasure?

Because for just pleasure and fun is just selfish. Gosh immature I would say.If you have to have fun and pleasure your whole like that says your immature...how about a little self-control and respect for others.

 

[RealityCheck]

Because for just pleasure and fun is just selfish. Gosh immature I would say.If you have to have fun and pleasure your whole like that says your immature...how about a little self-control and respect for others.

You have a problem with people having fun?

What does "respect for others" have to do with it?

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

How do we then express our love for one another prior to marriage? Or do we enter into marriage without ever expressing love beforehand?

We express love before marriage by communicating to each other, showing each other kindness, holding hands, being compassionate.....and when they enter marriage they have the right to have sex...thats when all the before marriage finally comes together..it completes them in the Lord. It is uniting physically and spiritually..and before marriage you have no right to have sex.....you just make that right because you think its okay and casual. There is no REAL love in casual sex.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

You have a problem with people having fun?

What does "respect for others" have to do with it?

I dont have a problem with having fun. Sex in marriage can be fun, you can spice it up. Outside of marriage its wrong.

 

[Bianca87]

how's consensual sex between 2 adults unrespectful (to who?) and selfish. two people are doing something they both want to do and not hurting anyone. that conflicts with the definitions of selfish and unrespectful.

besides, playboy's bunnies are not that perfect and thin.
one of the 3 heafner's girlfriends is actually chubby and usually they're all somehow voluptuous.

and before marriage you have no right to have sex

you are not familiar with the concept of rights.
first of all, rights don't have to match with your beliefs.

 

[PassionFruit]

I dont have a problem with having fun. Sex in marriage can be fun, you can spice it up. Outside of marriage its wrong.

You're very much entitled to your opinion, but not all of us believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

how's consensual sex between 2 adults unrespectful (to who?) and selfish. two people are doing something they both want to do and not hurting anyone. that conflicts with the definitions of selfish and unrespectful.

besides, playboy's bunnies are not that perfect and thin.
one of the 3 heafner's girlfriends is actually chubby and usually they're all somehow voluptuous.

Its selfish because it is going against what God wants you to do. Therefore you are saying you dont care what God has said about sex, you push his view away and think of yourself...you think it is your way....and thats that.....but God will set it straight on judgement day.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

You're very much entitled to your opinion, but not all of us believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong.

Okay. I am stating my opinion. My guess is Im just trying to help people. I just really want to draw people close to God.

 

[Steezie]

Because for just pleasure and fun is just selfish.

How so? Presumably you're going to be with annother person and you're going to be bringing them pleasure too. How is sex for pleasure and fun different than any other activity that is fun or brings pleasure?

Gosh immature I would say.If you have to have fun and pleasure your whole like that says your immature...how about a little self-control and respect for others.

Hey, I wasnt nasty and theres no call for YOU to be. I dont go around having rampant sex with everyone I meet on the hoods of cars or on the sidewalk, I have a healthy sexual and loving relationship with my fiancee and I have had sex in previous relationships. How is that a lack of self-control or disrespectful?

I just really want to draw people close to God.

Well heres a news flash, this aint the way to do it.

Its selfish because it is going against what God wants you to do. Therefore you are saying you dont care what God has said about sex, you push his view away and think of yourself...you think it is your way

If you'll notice my faith icon...

We express love before marriage by communicating to each other, showing each other kindness, holding hands, being compassionate.....and when they enter marriage they have the right to have sex

But how do you be intimate before marraige? How do you get that true feeling of being close to someone? The closest I have ever felt to annother human-being is curling up with a girlfriend or my fiancee starkers, the sensation of simple human touch is almost better than sex. How do you achieve that kind of closeness when all you can do is hold hands or kiss?

you just make that right because you think its okay and casual. There is no REAL love in casual sex.

There doesnt HAVE to be, thats the whole point. Sex is not some sacred ritual that we keep on the shelf and only dust off when we need it. Its an affirmation of life, of existance. I do not understand people's desire to deny what thier hearts and minds tell them, we are more animal than you would care to admit

 

[Bianca87]

Its selfish because it is going against what God wants you to do. Therefore you are saying you dont care what God has said about sex, you push his view away and think of yourself...you think it is your way....and thats that.....but God will set it straight on judgement day.

people have a different interpretation of it and you should try to deal with it.
some don't interpret God's world as you do, are not literalists and try to contexualize the scripture. let them be.
some don't even believe in God, so who's world are they supposed to follow, yours? let them be, as well.

Okay. I am stating my opinion. My guess is Im just trying to help people. I just really want to draw people close to God.

in my experience threatening people of eternal fire doesn't draw them closer to God, the opposite. you can't push faith, expecially not by fear.

 

[PassionFruit]

Okay. I am stating my opinion. My guess is Im just trying to help people. I just really want to draw people close to God.

There's nothing wrong with you believing that sex should be within marriage, there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm just saying that some of us see nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage. And what's really the difference between sex within a marriage and sex outside of marriage?

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

There's nothing wrong with you believing that sex should be within marriage, there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm just saying that some of us see nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage. And what's really the difference between sex within a marriage and sex outside of marriage?

To me sex outside marriage goes against what God has commanded us to do. True love waits.

 

[RealityCheck]

We express love before marriage by communicating to each other, showing each other kindness, holding hands, being compassionate.....and when they enter marriage they have the right to have sex...thats when all the before marriage finally comes together..it completes them in the Lord. It is uniting physically and spiritually..and before marriage you have no right to have sex.....you just make that right because you think its okay and casual. There is no REAL love in casual sex.

Hmmm... I'm looking at my marriage certificate, and nowhere on there does it say "bearers have the right to have sex."

 

[Steezie]

To me sex outside marriage goes against what God has commanded us to do. True love waits.

And thats fine. But dont condemn others who hold different beliefs. It doesnt exactly enhance your position

I think sex is a gift and a way to temporarily transcend the bonds that we have as human beings. I think it should be enjoyed regularly (but responsably) by everyone.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

How so? Presumably you're going to be with annother person and you're going to be bringing them pleasure too. How is sex for pleasure and fun different than any other activity that is fun or brings pleasure?

Hey, I wasnt nasty and theres no call for YOU to be. I dont go around having rampant sex with everyone I meet on the hoods of cars or on the sidewalk, I have a healthy sexual and loving relationship with my fiancee and I have had sex in previous relationships. How is that a lack of self-control or disrespectful?

Well heres a news flash, this aint the way to do it.

If you'll notice my faith icon...

But how do you be intimate before marraige? How do you get that true feeling of being close to someone? The closest I have ever felt to annother human-being is curling up with a girlfriend or my fiancee starkers, the sensation of simple human touch is almost better than sex. How do you achieve that kind of closeness when all you can do is hold hands or kiss?

There doesnt HAVE to be, thats the whole point. Sex is not some sacred ritual that we keep on the shelf and only dust off when we need it. Its an affirmation of life, of existance. I do not understand people's desire to deny what thier hearts and minds tell them, we are more animal than you would care to admit

You can curl up to your g/f b/f before marriage...nothing wrong w/ that. And with touch, like hugs but nothig sexual.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

And Bianca, Im not trying to scare them....but if that does scare them that says something....it doesnt matter because its the truth...why do people want to hide from truth so much....there is a God shaped whole in all of us...and people try to fill it with sex, drugs, alcohol..etc...when all the while its never full because they are not seeking God...

 

[Steezie]

You can curl up to your g/f b/f before marriage...nothing wrong w/ that. And with touch, like hugs but nothig sexual.

But then you have this sexual tension just HANGING in the air. I've seen that kind of tension destroy relationships. Plus you're worrying all the time "Well is THIS sexual!? Is THAT sexual!? Is she trying to be sexual!?" Sounds like an ulcer in the making

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

But then you have this sexual tension just HANGING in the air. I've seen that kind of tension destroy relationships. Plus you're worrying all the time "Well is THIS sexual!? Is THAT sexual!? Is she trying to be sexual!?" Sounds like an ulcer in the making

Well it didnt hurt my husband and I when we were dating. We were innocent of it. You can curl up on the couch w/o thinking about something sexual...and just enjoying each other and listen to each other talking....why is it always sexual w/ you people!

 

[Steezie]

Well it didnt hurt my husband and I when we were dating. We were innocent of it. You can curl up on the couch w/o thinking about something sexual...and just enjoying each other and listen to each other talking....why is it always sexual w/ you people!

We are sexual beings. We are BUILT for sex. Theres a reason we think about it so much, its a biological imperative and a drive thats millions of years old

 

[RealityCheck]

Its selfish because it is going against what God wants you to do. Therefore you are saying you dont care what God has said about sex, you push his view away and think of yourself...you think it is your way....and thats that.....but God will set it straight on judgement day.

The Bible does have a lot to say about sex. Oh yes indeed!

According to Deut. 21, if a man sees an unmarried woman that he desires (after he's done sacking the city she lives in), he can simply take her to his home, let her mourn her parents for a month, and then by the act of having sex with her, she becomes his wife. The man didn't take the woman somewhere and get married first, no no...

According to Leviticus 18, it is against God's will for even a married man to have sex with his wife during her period. I wonder how that's going to read out on judgment day.

Also by Deut (this time chapter 22), it isn't necessary at all to go through the hassle of getting married before having sex with an unbetrothed virgin. If you rape her, all you have to do is pay her dad some silver and then marry her. Then everything is a-okay.

Deut. 25 commands men to have sex with their brother's wives. Yes indeed. Under certain circumstances this is God's command. If the woman's husband dies without having had a child, the man's brother is required to have sex with her.

It's also quite clear from the Bible that God condones and allows men to have multiple wives. There are laws for how to treat a second wife (Exodus 21:10, Deut. 21:15). As well, all the laws concerning marrying a woman that a man rapes make no mention of what happens if the man is already married. Clearly that didn't matter... she just became yet another wife.



Now, is that really the kind of stuff you believe God wants us to do, concerning sex and marriage? It's right there in the Bible, after all.

(And wouldn't you know it, I can't find anything anywhere that says sex before marriage is prohibited.)