The word soul (usage & meaning)

[Hillsage]

Yes and the word soul as used in Genesis is stating that .... soul = breath of life = that which animates us as you accurately put it.

I believe we are a triune being. I have a spirit, soul and body of flesh.

1TH 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe the 'spirit' provides animating life to my body.
When Jesus died on the crossed He yielded His spirit (the spirit of Christ) into the Father's hands. When that animating life left His body His functioning brain (soul) quit sending signals to breathe and he "breathed his last" or died.

LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.

When Jesus raised the little girl from death 'her spirit returned'.

LUK 8:54 But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise."
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once;

The word soul in the Greek comes from the word PSUCHE. It's the same word from which we get English words like PSYCHE, PSYCHOLOGY, PSYCHOTIC, all words dealing with the functioning mind/brain. But none of those functions is 'the brain', but it is the living, and functional aspect of the brain.

Just my thoughts. I know I'm jumping in a little late and will just stop with this. Leave the swords in and put the thinking caps on and see where we're all coming from.

 

[disciple Clint]

I don't find in the Genesis account where man was given a "soul" .... rather the breath of life ... and that same breath was given to animals as well .... nor does it state immortality is within the breath. In the beginning, before the fall ... Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life ... and the tree of life was removed from them being able to access it and immortality was forfeited ... that is ... death entered the world.

Jesus ... on the cross ... ie breathed His last ... as a human did His "soul" go somewhere?
Did Jesus have a "soul"?

OK do you see man as have the attributes that I have listed in the description of what a soul is? Animals have a soul but it is not a rational soul. Yes the wages of sin is death. At His death Jesus said "My Father, into your hands I lay down my spirit." He said this and he expired. Luke 23"45. We are spirits that have souls.

 

[eleos1954]

I believe we are a triune being. I have a spirit, soul and body of flesh.

1TH 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe the 'spirit' provides animating life to my body.
When Jesus died on the crossed He yielded His spirit (the spirit of Christ) into the Father's hands. When that animating life left His body His functioning brain (soul) quit sending signals to breathe and he "breathed his last" or died.

LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.

When Jesus raised the little girl from death 'her spirit returned'.

LUK 8:54 But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise."
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once;

The word soul in the Greek comes from the word PSUCHE. It's the same word from which we get English words like PSYCHE, PSYCHOLOGY, PSYCHOTIC, all words dealing with the functioning mind/brain. But none of those functions is 'the brain', but it is the living, and functional aspect of the brain.

Just my thoughts. I know I'm jumping in a little late and will just stop with this. Leave the swords in and put the thinking caps on and see where we're all coming from.

ok ... not wanting to discuss spirit ... or are you saying the soul and the spirit are the same thing?


Relation to Greek "psyche"

In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (ψυχή) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of nephesh.

Never too late to jump in ;o)

 

[eleos1954]

No, Hebrews 4:12 presents them as separate.

The soul (anima) is the principle of physical life, animation, even of the animals.
It's hard to tell the difference between soul and spirit in the NT, their being alike in their nature and activities.

Anima, the Latin term for the "animating principle" and the Latin translation of the Greek psyche. On the Soul (De anima), Aristotle's treatise on the soul. Soul, the incorporeal essence of a living being in many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions.

Best to keep with the Hebrew or Greek since those are the original languages.

Aristotle was a Greek philosopher .. no thank you.

 

[Hillsage]

ok ... not wanting to discuss spirit ... or are you saying the soul and the spirit are the same thing?


Relation to Greek "psyche"

In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (ψυχή) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of nephesh.

Never too late to jump in ;o)

No, not saying spirit/soul are the same. That's why I quoted what I did saying we are triune beings, backed by 1Thes 5:23. But, I think it was you, who said that the soul gave "animating" life to the body. So that's why I felt like I had a little liberty to jump into the spirit as the 'animating' life of the body, while the soul gave us the 'motivating life' to what the body does. I also break the soul down into three parts. The conscious, subconscious and unconscious mind/soul. If we were compared to say, a computer, I'd say the spirit is the electricity that makes it run, the soul/software (functioning) tells it how to run, and the body/hardware is what it runs in.

2CO 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 so that by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

I'd say that Paul considers our body the tent and the only thing in that mortal tent that is "mortal" is our soul. The spirit is the only thing that is not capable of death IMO.

YLT EZE 18:4 Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son - they are Mine, The soul that is sinning - it doth die.
"the first death" is the soul when one sins. That was when Adam/Eve became dying souls...after committing their 'first' sin. I don't think it is a drop dead death of the soul, but a progressive process as we continue sinning and that sin matures to death.

JAM 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.

 

[eleos1954]

OK do you see man as have the attributes that I have listed in the description of what a soul is? Animals have a soul but it is not a rational soul. Yes the wages of sin is death. At His death Jesus said "My Father, into your hands I lay down my spirit." He said this and he expired. Luke 23"45. We are spirits that have souls.

you are using the word soul (several times) but not defining what it actually is.

Where does it state animals have a "soul" ... no where .... they have the breath of life just like humans do ... unless ... are you claiming the breath of life is what a "soul" is?

Genesis 2:7

Berean Study Bible
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground (body formed from earth's elements) and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils (made the body alive), and the man became a living being.

1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being;" the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

We are spirits that have souls.

Not according to Genesis .... we are humans and our bodies made from earths elements and our bodies were made alive by the breath of God that together makes us a living being.

Genesis 2:7

Good News Translation
Then the LORD God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it; he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.

 

[eleos1954]

No, not saying spirit/soul are the same. That's why I quoted what I did saying we are triune beings, backed by 1Thes 5:23. But, I think it was you, who said that the soul gave "animating" life to the body. So that's why I felt like I had a little liberty to jump into the spirit as the 'animating' life of the body, while the soul gave us the 'motivating life' to what the body does. I also break the soul down into three parts. The conscious, subconscious and unconscious mind/soul. If we were compared to say, a computer, I'd say the spirit is the electricity that makes it run, the soul/software (functioning) tells it how to run, and the body/hardware is what it runs in.

2CO 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 so that by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

I'd say that Paul considers our body the tent and the only thing in that tent that is "mortal" is our soul. The spirit is the only thing that is not capable of death IMO.

I agree we are mortal (subject to death) ....

I'd say that Paul considers our body the tent and the only thing in that tent that is "mortal" is our soul.

so are you saying ... that would be body (our tent) plus breath of life = a mortal person?

 

[childeye 2]

well a "vessel" would be the body .... the "container" ....

and then the breath of life is what animates the body

and that is what makes a living being .... be it a man ... or be it an animal.

Yes, except Jesus left his body in the tomb and was somewhere else for 3 days and three nights. So it seems body and soul are separate things when implying a person.

Not understanding that ????

The soul is not the same as the breath of life even as the creature is not the same as the Creator. The breath of life existed before the soul because it is God's Spirit.

God is the creator of creatures ... that is anything with the breath of life in it.

Man being created in the image of God (His character) .... animals not .... but both created creatures (alive, living)

Creature

Man was made in God's Image meaning Character of Person. The breath of life in mankind is therefore corruptible through false imagery of God, which is why The Christ is the same original and pure breath of life come into the world in the flesh, or as Paul states, the second Adam was made a "Quickening Spirit".

Strong's Hebrew: 2416. חָי (chay) -- age

chay ►
Strong's Concordance
chay: age
Original Word: חַי
Part of Speech: Adjective; feminine; noun masculine; noun feminine; noun feminine; noun masculine; Adjective; noun feminine
Transliteration: chay
Phonetic Spelling: (khah'-ee)
Definition: alive, living

The word spirit is not in the Genesis creation account.

No the word "Spirit" is not there, but the sentiment behind the term is the same as the breath of life, because that which animates is what Spirit implies.

 

[eleos1954]

Yes, except Jesus left his body in the tomb and was somewhere else for 3 days and three nights. So it seems body and soul are separate things when implying a person.


The soul is not the same as the breath of life even as the creature is not the same as the Creator. The breath of life existed before the soul because it is God's Spirit.

Man was made in God's Image meaning Character of Person. The breath of life in mankind is therefore corruptible through false imagery of God, which is why The Christ is the same original and pure breath of life come into the world in the flesh, or as Paul states, the second Adam was made a "Quickening Spirit".

No the word "Spirit" is not there, but the sentiment behind the term is the same as the breath of life, because that which animates is what Spirit implies.

Animals have the same breath .... man has no advantage

Eclesiastes 3:19
Berean Study Bible
For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other—they all have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile.

Quickening Spirit - has not happened yet happens at resurrection - we will be given spiritual bodies at resurrection

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

We aren't given spiritual bodies until resurrected.

2227. zóopoieó ►
Strong's Concordance
zóopoieó: to make alive
Original Word: ζῳοποιέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: zóopoieó
Phonetic Spelling: (dzo-op-oy-eh'-o)
Definition: to make alive
Usage: I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.
HELPS Word-studies
2227 zōopoiéō (from 2221 /zōgréō, "alive" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make alive (zōos); i.e. "quicken," vivify ("animate"); (figuratively) cause what is dead (inoperative) to have life; empower with divine life.

2227 /zōopoiéō ("make alive, enliven") is particularly used of God infusing His life in the believer. The Lord infuses eternal life (zōē) into us each time we receive (obey) faith from Him. This enables living with God – not just for Him (cf. Gal 2:20; Ro 8:28-30; 1 Jn 5:4). His self-existent, all-powerful life overcomes all the deadly effects of sin.

(1 Cor 15:36,38) seed, come to life – The resurrection-body of the believer will be characterized by continuity with diversity – i.e. reflecting the physical-spiritual life we lived here on earth in a supra-physical fashion (Phil 3:11-21). Both of these aspects of glorification are illustrated in 1 Cor 15 by the metaphor of seeds.

Same "sentiment" here ... giving of life.

1 Corinthians 16
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the first fruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

 

[childeye 2]

Animals have the same breath .... man has no advantage

Eclesiastes 3:19
Berean Study Bible
For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other—they all have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile.

Exactly. That's why the creature is different than the Creator and the soul different than the Breath of life. As pertains to vanity I agree completely. I don't believe man has any advantage over other animals or even over a pile of dung for that matter. Because the breath is God's breath.

The only thing I see that might be construed as an advantage over other animals pertains to God giving dominion over other animals. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

I would venture to say that when God speaks, there is a breath of life behind every word, and that God would know how to create a level of intellect capable of understanding what He says according to His purpose.

Quickening Spirit - has not happened yet happens at resurrection - we will be given spiritual bodies at resurrection

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

We aren't given spiritual bodies until resurrected.

True we won't be given spiritual bodies until the resurrection. I know I don't have one at the moment, but when I do it will probably reflect the soul. So I would point out that when one believes in Christ and conforms to Christ, they are being quickened and that is already happening in that sense. That's what the last Adam being a life giving Spirit means. The more the Spirit of Christ lives in me and in my actions, then the more the carnal nature must die so that He may live spiritually in me, and I in him. That's how I see myself as being quickened. My countenance is all about what I'm believing in, just as where my treasure is, there my heart will be also.

2227. zóopoieó ►
Strong's Concordance
zóopoieó: to make alive
Original Word: ζῳοποιέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: zóopoieó
Phonetic Spelling: (dzo-op-oy-eh'-o)
Definition: to make alive
Usage: I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.
HELPS Word-studies
2227 zōopoiéō (from 2221 /zōgréō, "alive" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make alive (zōos); i.e. "quicken," vivify ("animate"); (figuratively) cause what is dead (inoperative) to have life; empower with divine life.

2227 /zōopoiéō ("make alive, enliven") is particularly used of God infusing His life in the believer. The Lord infuses eternal life (zōē) into us each time we receive (obey) faith from Him. This enables living with God – not just for Him (cf. Gal 2:20; Ro 8:28-30; 1 Jn 5:4). His self-existent, all-powerful life overcomes all the deadly effects of sin.

(1 Cor 15:36,38) seed, come to life – The resurrection-body of the believer will be characterized by continuity with diversity – i.e. reflecting the physical-spiritual life we lived here on earth in a supra-physical fashion (Phil 3:11-21). Both of these aspects of glorification are illustrated in 1 Cor 15 by the metaphor of seeds.

Yes, I agree that quicken also must indicate a resurrected character as individuals, but I just want to clarify the semantics. Jesus said I am in the Father and the Father is in me. This creates semantics and the context matters. I believe God's Word is life giving Spirit, but my soul is my person as in how well or brightly I reflect and project Him.

 

[Clare73]

Animals have the same breath .... man has no advantage

Eclesiastes 3:19
Berean Study Bible
For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other—they all have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile.

Quickening Spirit - has not happened yet happens at resurrection - we will be given spiritual bodies at resurrection

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

We aren't given spiritual bodies until resurrected.

2227. zóopoieó ►
Strong's Concordance
zóopoieó: to make alive
Original Word: ζῳοποιέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: zóopoieó
Phonetic Spelling: (dzo-op-oy-eh'-o)
Definition: to make alive
Usage: I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.
HELPS Word-studies
2227 zōopoiéō (from 2221 /zōgréō, "alive" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make alive (zōos); i.e. "quicken," vivify ("animate"); (figuratively) cause what is dead (inoperative) to have life; empower with divine life.

2227 /zōopoiéō ("make alive, enliven") is particularly used of God infusing His life in the believer. The Lord infuses eternal life (zōē) into us each time we receive (obey) faith from Him. This enables living with God – not just for Him (cf. Gal 2:20; Ro 8:28-30; 1 Jn 5:4). His self-existent, all-powerful life overcomes all the deadly effects of sin.

(1 Cor 15:36,38) seed, come to life – The resurrection-body of the believer will be characterized by continuity with diversity – i.e. reflecting the physical-spiritual life we lived here on earth in a supra-physical fashion (Phil 3:11-21).

"Supra-physical" meaning that our physical spiritual resurrection bodies will be immortal, sinless and powerful.

Both of these aspects of glorification are illustrated in 1 Cor 15 by the metaphor of seeds.

Same "sentiment" here ... giving of life.

1 Corinthians 16
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the first fruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

 

[childeye 2]

I believe we are a triune being. I have a spirit, soul and body of flesh.

1TH 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe the 'spirit' provides animating life to my body.
When Jesus died on the crossed He yielded His spirit (the spirit of Christ) into the Father's hands. When that animating life left His body His functioning brain (soul) quit sending signals to breathe and he "breathed his last" or died.

LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.

When Jesus raised the little girl from death 'her spirit returned'.

LUK 8:54 But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise."
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once;

The word soul in the Greek comes from the word PSUCHE. It's the same word from which we get English words like PSYCHE, PSYCHOLOGY, PSYCHOTIC, all words dealing with the functioning mind/brain. But none of those functions is 'the brain', but it is the living, and functional aspect of the brain.

Just my thoughts. I know I'm jumping in a little late and will just stop with this. Leave the swords in and put the thinking caps on and see where we're all coming from.

I think that you present some good analysis. What would you have to say about the scriptural testimony that the person of the Christ was preaching the Gospel to persons elsewhere, while his body and theirs also were in the tomb/grave? I mean, we know the body of a person dies when the Spirit of life leaves the body, but doesn't a soul have to leave the body also because the soul is the person and not the body?

 

[One Son]

I think that you present some good analysis. What would you have to say about the scriptural testimony that the person of the Christ was preaching the Gospel to persons elsewhere, while his body and theirs also were in the tomb/grave? I mean, we know the body of a person dies when the Spirit of life leaves the body, but doesn't a soul have to leave the body also because the soul is the person and not the body?

Eze.18:2 what do you mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?

3As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.



Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.(2Cor.5:17).

 

[TedT]

What is a soul?

ImCo:
Soul is another word for a spirit, that is, a person who is self and other aware, ie conscious and intelligent, which is bound in a body.

 

[Clare73]

What is a soul?

ImCo:
Soul is another word for a spirit, that is, a person who is self and other aware, ie conscious and intelligent, which is bound in a body.

But Hebrews 4:12 presents them as two different things.

 

[Hillsage]

I agree we are mortal (subject to death) ....



so are you saying ... that would be body (our tent) plus breath of life = a mortal person?

My view is this; We are not made in the image of God and after His likeness. Adam and Eve were. But that all changed with the sin of Adam/Eve and the BIRTH of the first human being.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

If I say you are the spitting image of your father, what does that mean? It means you are physical substance is like him (hair eyeballs, teeth, features). And if I say you 'You act just like your dad.' What do I mean? I mean you have the same 'character' likenesses (personality, emotional expressions).

JOH 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and THE WORD was GOD"....not the fleshly body of Jesus. That "sinful flesh body" wasn't "in the beginning" of creation.

But "the image/substance of God was, and still is spirit.

Joh 4:12 "God IS SPIRIT"

Luke 24:39 "a spirit has not FLESH AND BLOOD"

Above, Jesus is speaking, not out of His fleshly body, but His resurrected spiritual body. God is spirit again because "The Word" which "gave up equality with God" as a spirit to "become FLESH..." is now again spirit.

JOH 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God is spirit/in substance/image
God is love/a functional characteristic/likeness.

God created dirt, then made a dead body out of it. Then He breathed into that dead body spirit the image/substance of God. Thus making man in his image. If God just breathed AIR into that dead body, what would happen? It would EXPIRE air right back at Him out of its dead lungs. But if God breathed a spirit of life into that dead body, then the brain/soul would come alive and be functioning. It would tell the diaphragm muscle to contract inhale air and keep breathing as 'a breathing creature'. (a Hebrew definition of soul).


1CO 15:45 Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 But it is not the spiritual (body) which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. (Not a spirit Word body first, but a spirit Word become flesh body first).
47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven (Word/spirit become the flesh/body of Jesus).
48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven (born again spirit of Christ in us).
49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image (spirit) of the man of heaven. (eg the spirit of Christ)

I know I'm way down the rabbit hole concerning your "We are mortal" comment. But if you can hang in there a little longer I think I can put where I'm coming from to hopefully be understood by 'most'. Hopefully anyway. I know this was long, but does what I've just said make sense? I'm not asking if anyone believes it. But can you scripturally follow what I've said so far? I am not twisting scripture, but I know I am challenging orthodoxy....That's why I come to the UNORTHODOX forum.

 

[Hillsage]

I think that you present some good analysis. What would you have to say about the scriptural testimony that the person of the Christ was preaching the Gospel to persons elsewhere, while his body and theirs also were in the tomb/grave? I mean, we know the body of a person dies when the Spirit of life leaves the body, but doesn't a soul have to leave the body also because the soul is the person and not the body?

I believe that the body returns to the dust it came from. I believe the soul sleeps even as the flesh decays, just like Jesus spoke of Lazarus when the disciples kept thinking "Lord if he sleeps he'll recover", then Then Jesus told them plainly, "Lazarus is dead; JOH 11:14
I think the soul awakes on the day of judgment for all the 'motivational' works that were done by the souls command.

Paul said concerning his spirit that, "to be absent from the body is to be with the Lord." Just like Jesus sent his spirit to the Father FIRST, before going "in spirit" to preach to spirits.

1PE 3:18-19 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;19 in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison,
Dumb place for a scripture #19 break IMO.

All spirits are eternal living beings/entities. Can't kill a good one or a bad one. That would be like shooting Casper the good ghost with a 357 magnum....Or Satan himself....good luck. IMO, IMO, IMHO.

 

[disciple Clint]

you are using the word soul (several times) but not defining what it actually is.

Where does it state animals have a "soul" ... no where .... they have the breath of life just like humans do ... unless ... are you claiming the breath of life is what a "soul" is?

Genesis 2:7

Berean Study Bible
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground (body formed from earth's elements) and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils (made the body alive), and the man became a living being.

1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being;" the last Adam a life-giving spirit.



Not according to Genesis .... we are humans and our bodies made from earths elements and our bodies were made alive by the breath of God that together makes us a living being.

Genesis 2:7

Good News Translation
Then the LORD God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it; he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.

“Our soul is our personality, who we are. With our soul we think, reason, consider, remember, and wonder. We experience emotions like happiness, love, sorrow, anger, relief, and compassion. And we’re able to resolve, choose, and make decisions.”

Using this as a backdrop, let’s now apply this to animals.

Do Animals Have Souls?
People will often use the term soul and spirit interchangeably, and how you use the word will determine how you answer the question do animals have souls. If you are equating the soul with the spirit, then I would say that animals don’t have souls. If you are defining the soul as we did above as the place where your emotions flow out of, where you think, reason, and make decisions, then absolutely animals have souls. Animals can think, reason, sense danger, experience happiness, sadness, and all of the things we mentioned in our definition of the soul.
Do Animals Have Souls?
The soul is the principle of life. Since animals and plants are living things, they have souls, but not in the sense in which human beings have souls. Our souls are rational–theirs aren’t–and ours are rational because they’re spiritual, not material.
Do Animals Have Souls like Human Beings?

 

[Hillsage]

“Our soul is our personality, who we are. With our soul we think, reason, consider, remember, and wonder. We experience emotions like happiness, love, sorrow, anger, relief, and compassion. And we’re able to resolve, choose, and make decisions.”

Using this as a backdrop, let’s now apply this to animals.

Do Animals Have Souls?
People will often use the term soul and spirit interchangeably, and how you use the word will determine how you answer the question do animals have souls. If you are equating the soul with the spirit, then I would say that animals don’t have souls. If you are defining the soul as we did above as the place where your emotions flow out of, where you think, reason, and make decisions, then absolutely animals have souls. Animals can think, reason, sense danger, experience happiness, sadness, and all of the things we mentioned in our definition of the soul.
Do Animals Have Souls?
The soul is the principle of life. Since animals and plants are living things, they have souls, but not in the sense in which human beings have souls. Our souls are rational–theirs aren’t–and ours are rational because they’re spiritual, not material.
Do Animals Have Souls like Human Beings?

I believe they have both 'spirits' and 'souls'. Your first URL 'Do Animals Have Souls', says "animals do not have spirits." I tend to disagree;

NUM 16:22 And they fell on their faces, and said, "O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh,

NUM 27:16 "Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, appoint a man over the congregation,

Genesis 7:15 And they/ANIMALS went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath/RUWACH of life/CHAY.

GEN 6:17 For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die.

GEN 7:22 everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died.

 

[misput]

I think John Calvin makes a good point here: "Piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and spirit, or to the dividing of the soul and spirit, etc. The word soul means often the same with spirit; but when they occur together, the first includes all the affections, and the second means what they call the intellectual faculty. So Paul, writing to the Thessalonians, uses the words, when he prays God to keep their spirit, and soul, and body blameless until the coming of Christ, (#1Th 5:23), he meant no other thing, but that they might continue pure and chaste in mind, and will, and outward actions. Also Isaiah means the same when he says,

"My soul desired thee in the night; I sought thee with my spirit." (#Isa 26:9)".

Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. IE one body and one breath of God equal one soul (breath of God being much more than a puff of air but is put for the spirit of life from God that goes back to God at death).

The reverse of this process is:
Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
That spirit is used here instead of breath of God is very significant to me.

Question: Do you suppose the body God made for Adam was like a dead corpse or did it have a heartbeat before He breathed into him?