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Do you think that God would draw someone unto Himself, and also harden their heart - as He has mercy on whom He will, and He hardens whom He will. ?So how do you know God has not drawn all people and some have just rejected the free gift of Eternal Life. Does this verse you use say that God only draws certain people.
Do you think that God would draw someone unto Himself, and also harden their heart - as He has mercy on whom He will, and He hardens whom He will. ?
I don't. I was just attempting to answer your question when you asked if the Father draws everyone to Himself....But the two verses you are referencing are discussing two different subjects. So how can you use one verse to explain the other.
I don't. I was just attempting to answer your question when you asked if the Father draws everyone to Himself....
Since the Father hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden,
I don't at all believe that the Father draws everyone to Himself.
It is written somewhere in Scripture that some living people, walking around on this world/earth,Is there evidence (a Bible verse or 2) that states this hardening happens and prevents a person from being able to trust in The Messiah for Eternal Life.
If God is hardening hearts why would satan need to, deceive people in relation to eternal life salvation, example parable of the soils.
Yes, John 3:18 among others...It is written somewhere in Scripture that some living people, walking around on this world/earth,
are condemned already, now, today, while they are alive,
because of their unbelief.
God says He hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden. Satan doesn't need to do anything other than anything God says he does.
It is written somewhere in Scripture that some living people, walking around on this world/earth,
are condemned already, now, today, while they are alive,
because of their unbelief.
God says He hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden. Satan doesn't need to do anything other than anything God says he does.
Good Day, d taylorPaul is saying these people do not have faith in God. But all these people do have the ability to exercise the act of faith. Their faith is just directed at other objects and not God
Everyone has the ability to have faith like i said in something or someone.
There are no verses stating that God has elected certain people to have faith
So you are saying there are people on earth who do not have the ability to have faith in something or someone.Good Day, d taylor
Paul is very clear For not all have faith.
I do not recall ever saying there was such a verse.
I can assure you there is no verse that says " all (every single person) have faith" as you assert.
In Him,
Bill
So you are saying there are people on earth who do not have the ability to have faith in something or someone.
Some people have personal trust and reliance on temporal things —some of them to the point of religious expression and devotion! Some see presidents and kings this way. But that is not salvific faith, since it cannot be anything but human in origin and integrity. And salvific faith CANNOT be generated by the will of the lost. It is a gift of God, generated by God alone within the individual. If faith depends on the integrity of the faithful, we have a problem.Good Day,
No... People have "faith' that their car will start in the morning when they turn the key, or that their chair will hold them. It is based upon the knowledge and past experience with cars, and chairs.
I am saying that man does not have Biblical faith that is granted by God, though the hearing of his word Romans 10.
Biblical faith has three essential aspects: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.
Notitia. Notitia refers to the content of faith, or those things that we believe. We place our faith in something, or more appropriately, someone. In order to believe, we must know something about that someone, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Assensus. Assensus is our conviction that the content of our faith is true. You can know about the Christian faith and yet believe that it is not true. Genuine faith says that the content — the notitia taught by Holy Scripture — is true.
Fiducia. Fiducia refers to personal trust and reliance. Knowing and believing the content of the Christian faith is not enough, for even demons can do that (James 2:19). Faith is only effectual if, knowing about and assenting to the claims of Jesus, one personally trusts in Him alone for salvation.
In Him,
Bill
Some people have personal trust and reliance on temporal things —some of them to the point of religious expression and devotion! Some see presidents and kings this way. But that is not salvific faith, since it cannot be anything but human in origin and integrity. And salvific faith CANNOT be generated by the will of the lost. It is a gift of God, generated by God alone within the individual. If faith depends on the integrity of the faithful, we have a problem.
Good Day,
No... People have "faith' that their car will start in the morning when they turn the key, or that their chair will hold them. It is based upon the knowledge and past experience with cars, and chairs.
I am saying that man does not have Biblical faith that is granted by God, though the hearing of his word Romans 10.
Biblical faith has three essential aspects: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.
Notitia. Notitia refers to the content of faith, or those things that we believe. We place our faith in something, or more appropriately, someone. In order to believe, we must know something about that someone, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Assensus. Assensus is our conviction that the content of our faith is true. You can know about the Christian faith and yet believe that it is not true. Genuine faith says that the content — the notitia taught by Holy Scripture — is true.
Fiducia. Fiducia refers to personal trust and reliance. Knowing and believing the content of the Christian faith is not enough, for even demons can do that (James 2:19). Faith is only effectual if, knowing about and assenting to the claims of Jesus, one personally trusts in Him alone for salvation.
In Him,
Bill
Your reasoning is faulty. There is no warrant to believe, should there be a special kind of faith to Christianity, unlike any other, Biblical faith, that all things would be perfect. If faith is a gift of God, and able to save, then it CANNOT be engendered of man. And none of us are without some remnant of the 'old man's' influence.-There is no such thing as special Biblical faith. If it was, every believer would be in perfect harmony with every other believer about what is Biblical truth. All would be in perfect agreement on everything from creation to future prophecies.
The faith used to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is the everyday faith used by people each day in their lives. It is just some simply do not believe The Bible is a true witness about God, Eternal life, etc...
Can a person believe something is true and not actually not trust in what they believe is true. Example can a person believe that Eternal Life salvation is received by faith in The Messiah but not actually trust in The Messiah.
Calvinists insist that faith is the gift at Ephesians 2:8, but it’s actually salvation that is the gift, in which salvation is a gift freely received by faith rather than being obtained through one’s performance under the Mosiac Law. Romans 6:23 indicates the same: “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” The gift is clearly salvation, in terms of receiving eternal life through faith in Christ.Some people have personal trust and reliance on temporal things —some of them to the point of religious expression and devotion! Some see presidents and kings this way. But that is not salvific faith, since it cannot be anything but human in origin and integrity. And salvific faith CANNOT be generated by the will of the lost. It is a gift of God, generated by God alone within the individual. If faith depends on the integrity of the faithful, we have a problem.
Your reasoning is faulty. There is no warrant to believe, should there be a special kind of faith to Christianity, unlike any other, Biblical faith, that all things would be perfect. If faith is a gift of God, and able to save, then it CANNOT be engendered of man. And none of us are without some remnant of the 'old man's' influence.
Nevertheless, like you, I will, as I see fit, react to falsehood. I had no intention of starting a debate with you, but of showing that your reasoning was, let's say, lousy.Your opinion really does not matter to me, as your theology forces you to even define faith (as obedience) different than I do. So really there is no common ground to have a discussion on to begin with.
THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH!
Thank you for expressing what I believe when I can't find the words! I'm blessed.I don't deny we need to believe —faith is indeed required, but salvific faith is unlike any other faith: It is NOT generated by the believer, but by the Spirit of God.
Or, at least, he doesn't draw them all in the same way, or to the same degree, no?I don't. I was just attempting to answer your question when you asked if the Father draws everyone to Himself....
Since the Father hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden,
I don't at all believe that the Father draws everyone to Himself.
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