The Warped World of Incel Extremists

[Gregory Thompson]

We can't make generalizations and say everyone who behaves this way was teased or bullied. We're dealing with attraction. Some qualities are more attractive than others.

This group struggles to connect with the opposite sex. You can counsel them and work on their shortcomings. But it still comes down to yay or nay from her. She has to accept him. You can't fix or force that.

Exactly, it's kind of like the social dynamic changed too fast.

The reason it gets so bad is because of intrusive thoughts and the occult network that feeds on the reaction to them.

Many occult religions feed off sexuality, so it's intertwined.

There's not much of a cure available for this though, a lot of the increased hostility is due to society's rejection of God and the Gospel. This started from within the church and progressed to the public's rejection of the false image the church created by doing this.

 

[Sparagmos]

I have a different take on it. Historically, men made war. We took a natural 50/50 split between the sexes and turned it into a scenario where to the victor goes the spoil. Sex, in this view, is one of the primary driving forces at work behind the scenes.

Not all cultures developed in exactly the same way. Some adopted arranged marriages to tame the violence. Monogamy is a similar strategy that achieves some kind of balance in society. Jews had both. In the West, unfortunately, culturally we're comparatively brutish and warlike, and without the social adaptations of a traditional past, without warfare to kill off excess males, we have a social problem, and what we're witnessing as a result is this "incel" fallout is a consequence of our ways which is itself a kind of social adaptation.

What is the social problem exactly? In the U.S., for people under 40, there are about 3 more males than females per 100. But relationships move around. At any given time there are lots of single women that an "incel" could pursue. The extremely hateful attitudes towards women can’t be explained by the tiny bit of competition.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

I don't think it matters much what thier friends do. They need professional help not a bro. A layman isn't going to help them erase years of resentment and with the internet they can always find echo chambers to help feel justified in their hatred.

They need both

 

[spiritfilledjm]

I think a lot of people are shocked. They're able to handle rejection without lashing out. It's a part of life. The incel mentality is beyond yours and mine. Women are subhuman and subject to their will. They promote rape, enslavement, and violence without remorse. And admit it openly.

That's going to warrant a response. It's the antithesis of humanity. Their rhetoric is profane. Compassion doesn't diminish our responsibility for confronting dysfunction and calling evil by its rightful name.

Outcast doesn't equal kill, maim, or violate. They're sick. They're mentally imbalanced. Their behavior is abnormal. We can't deny that.

~bella

Agreed. That's why they need professional and medical help to show them that those views are not right. Outside of that though, they also need those good influences and friends that can also show them that they are wrong as well.

 

[TheWhat?]

What is the social problem exactly? In the U.S., for people under 40, there are about 3 more males than females per 100. But relationships move around. At any given time there are lots of single women that an "incel" could pursue. The extremely hateful attitudes towards women

I don't really care about the specifics of incel attitudes. I'm talking about numbers. We obviously haven't had a major war since the boomers' generation and even that was relatively minor.

 

[bèlla]

But you would like to assign blame to an underclass of males and I'm failing to see how you intend to solve any problems, at all. My point is, the only problem there is to solve by doing so is a problem with one's own conscience.

We're not discussing the male population. We're addressing a specific demographic. They aren't incarcerated. The OP is incels.

Given their diminished opinion of women and disbelief in choice. Helping them would be hazardous to my health. Prayer is an option of course. But I'm not putting myself in harm's way. That's unwise.

 

[bèlla]

Agreed. That's why they need professional and medical help to show them that those views are not right. Outside of that though, they also need those good influences and friends that can also show them that they are wrong as well.

You need a combination of God and truth serums. Until they understand the behavior is wrong you can't influence them. They can't justify the lack through wrong actions. There has to be deep conviction and repentance.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I echo that the concern described in the OP is a big issue, that keeps expanding, not sure on the solution. Will prayerfully consider.

 

[TheWhat?]

We're not discussing the male population. We're addressing a specific demographic. They aren't incarcerated. The OP is incels.

I have no reason to believe that the two are not both a product of the same social mechanics.

 

[bèlla]

There's not much of a cure available for this though, a lot of the increased hostility is due to society's rejection of God and the Gospel. This started from within the church and progressed to the public's rejection of the false image the church created by doing this.

I don't think we can fix it. Only God can. We've gone too far. I don't see us going backwards.

 

[jacknife]

They need both

I disagree friendship isn't going to do any good for someone so far off the deep end. Psychological problems are hard to tack down and even harder to treat.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I don't think we can fix it. Only God can. We've gone too far. I don't see us going backwards.

I had a thought during this discussion, but wasn't able to word it properly.

But it was like our social dynamic was not transformed, just who was in control in the hierarchy changed. Still translating the thought, but for now, that's the best I can do.

We need that transformation from God, but there is no "we" to seek it together as a society. So foreseeing a solution is difficult.

 

[bèlla]

I have no reason to believe that the two are not both a product of the same social mechanics.

Is it fixable?

 

[bèlla]

I disagree friendship isn't going to do any good for someone so far off the deep end. Psychological problems are hard to tack down and even harder to treat.

Condemnation and correction has no effect. Nor does reasoning. I've watched people do the same to no avail.

 

[jacknife]

I have no reason to believe that the two are not both a product of the same social mechanics.

Incels span more then one society though.

 

[TheWhat?]

Is it fixable?

Probably not completely. The incel propaganda could be targeted by regulating social media, which in all likelihood is the source of a lot of problems right now. But the people who snap and cross the line can be isolated persons. That would require changes on a level I don't think we're capable of.

 

[TheWhat?]

Maybe something that works against those social mechanics, like a resource people can go to for help rather than to stew in their negative opinions, and awareness couldn't hurt.

 

[bèlla]

I had a thought during this discussion, but wasn't able to word it properly.

But it was like our social dynamic was not transformed, just who was in control in the hierarchy changed. Still translating the thought, but for now, that's the best I can do.

We're playing musical chairs on a higher plane. We know how the game goes. Not everyone gets a seat. The last man standing is the winner.

Here's some lingo:

Incels see women as either “Stacys,” who are hyperfeminine, attractive, and unattainable and who only date “Chads” (muscular, popular men who are presumed to sleep with lots of women), or “Beckys,” the “average” woman.

They've predetermined Chad is kingpin. Prior to the Internet, he wasn't an option for most—and still isn't honestly. The Internet offered access that was previously lacking. Chad gets more attention than ever. From his norm and the rest. He's the ideal.

Stacy only dates Chad and Becky wants him too. That creates a huge imbalance. Which people who use dating sites readily admit. The attention is slanted.

Nobody wants his chair. They'd rather lose than choose him. He's left out in the cold. His lone option are others like himself. He doesn't want her.

This is all about the haves and have nots. It rewards beauty and wealth. That's a smaller demographic. It always was. The people who would have been less selective years ago are pseudo Chad's and Stacy's. That's how you 'prove' yourself. Acquiring the unattainable.

We need that transformation from God, but there is no "we" to seek it together as a society. So foreseeing a solution is difficult.

I expect things to worsen before they improve. It's beyond us.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm thinking the Incels exist because they've all been looking at porn, become ingratiated with the form of the specifics they find there, can't get that exact (elusive and illusive) form, and become dark, brooding and violent in their nihilistic resentiment (ala Nietzsche) of not getting what they want the way they want it......

Yeah....and in your mind Hugh Hefner invented porn or something?

That's the whole connection?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Manipulative? How? Because I'm condenscing years of research into some sound-bites that you've never heard before?

Please do me the honor of giving me the benefit of the doubt .... since you don't even know me.

Thanks!

Years of research lol? Into what?