The Warped World of Incel Extremists

[pescador]

Very similar to why Zuckerberg created Facebook! Female rejection.

Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook because of female rejection? Is that what you meant to say? If so, please explain...

 

[pescador]

I didn't say that porn causes incel-ism. Please don't reduce my statements to a strawman of what I actually said. Not porn, but a more or less pornographically (and sexually lax) inclined "world culture" helps to breed various levels of resentment among men. Some become Playboys; others become potential terrorists.

And many, many others lead normal, decent lives, with love and respect for the other gender.

 

[TheWhat?]

You describe yourself as a Christian. Would you explain why you believe that forced castration, warfare to kill off males, abortions of male fetuses, or maybe eventually genetic modification are realistic options? Or are you just trying to be funny?

Either way, I don't think you're expressing a Christian sentiment, even in jest.

We don't live in a fantasy world. If social change is not an option, the options are grim. Hiding from the grim reality and blaming social outcasts isn't a solution -- it adds fuel to fire, and amounts to just another grim, "unchristian" reality.

 

[98cwitr]

Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook because of female rejection? Is that what you meant to say? If so, please explain...

Facemash was the precursor to Facebook, combined with his development on CourseMatch. He was interested in knowing as much as he could about other people without having to interact with them. Does this describe a person from the OP? You decide.

Everything to know about Facemash, the site Zuckerberg created in college to rank 'hot' women - Metro US

 

[bèlla]

We don't live in a fantasy world. If social change is not an option, the options are grim.

That’s only an option for unstable people. It’s an incredible leap when you’re balanced. There’s never been a time when I felt stalking, violence, or harassment were viable ways to get a man. I respect their right to decline and choose another. I don’t feel entitled to him.

 

[Ana the Ist]

... somewhere, I've heard this story before.

Oh, yeah. I remember now. It seems to reflect something along the lines of why Hugh Hefner started his Playboy magazine empire, albeit this incel philosophy is an obviously much more crass (and violent) form and measure of hedonistic "reflux." ........ Very interesting!

Thanks for the info, Bèlla!

I don't think Hugh Hefner factors into this phenomenon very much. He wasn't what I or really anyone would call "celibate".

 

[pescador]

We don't live in a fantasy world. If social change is not an option, the options are grim. Hiding from the grim reality and blaming social outcasts isn't a solution -- it adds fuel to fire, and amounts to just another grim, "unchristian" reality.

Forced castration, warfare to kill off males, abortions of male fetuses, or maybe eventually genetic modification are not reasonable alternatives to anything. They are all cruel, violent, non-Christian actions.

 

[TheWhat?]

That’s only an option for unstable people. It’s an incredible leap when you’re balanced. There’s never been a time when I felt stalking, violence, or harassment were viable ways to get a man. I respect their right to decline and choose another. I don’t feel entitled to him.

Torture and imprisonment has an effect on people. It always will. Assigning blame in that scenario doesn't really accomplish anything except it makes people feel better about what they do to others.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Inside the Warped World of Incel Extremists

Jake Davison shot two women, two men and the three-year-old girl in a deadly six-minute spree.

In trying to understand what prompted a man in Plymouth, England to commit the worst mass shooting in the UK for over a decade, attention has turned to his apparent links with the incel community – an online subculture of people who describe themselves as “involuntary celibates".

Jake Davison allegedly shot his mother before a shooting spree which ended when he turned the gun on himself. His youngest victim was three years old. In the lead-up to the attacks, he compared himself to incels in YouTube videos and contributed to their forums.

He uploaded videos in which he fixated on his virginity and, in a direct reference to incel ideology, Davison's described himself as “blackpilled". This means that he believed himself too old, at 22, to find love.

What is an Incel?

Incels refuse to accept responsibility for their circumstances, instead believing their inability to attract women makes them victims of oppression. Like all groups under the umbrella of online misogyny known as the “manosphere", they subscribe to the “red pill" conspiracy theory. They believe men are the true victims of gendered oppression, that male power has been usurped, and that feminism is a front to disguise men's subjugation.

Incels essentialise this conspiracy in the idea of the “black pill". To swallow the black pill is to accept that this oppression is insurmountable. It invokes a certain hopelessness. Incels believe there is nothing they can ever do to improve their lives.

Incels believe in a genetically essentialist social hierarchy. At the apex are “chads" – hyper-athletic attractive males who women desire instinctively. Beneath them are descending classes of “betas". At the lowermost point are incels, whose innate characteristics make them unable to attract women. Height-cels say they are too short; skull and frame-cels blame their skeletal structure; wrist-cels believe their wrists are too thin; and there are many more delineations. Incels cannot accept responsibility for their lot in life, instead spinning themselves as victims of their own biology and societal oppression.

Targeting Women

Incels blame women for this hierarchy and their low place within it. The culture portrays women as irrational and emotional creatures who are blindly pursuing the biological imperatives to seek sexual satisfaction and material security through marriage.

Incels believe women select different men for these functions, marrying an inferior “beta" for financial gain whilst cheating with “chads" for sexual gratification. To incels, women pursue their interests sociopathically and will not hesitate to harm men. A society dominated by women does the same and incels see their oppression as a natural consequence of women's malicious and inhuman nature.

Nowhere is this expressed more bizarrely than the widely held incel belief in the “dogpill". This is the view that women's drive for sexual satisfaction is such that they will routinely have sex with large dogs. Absurdity is the point here. Women are portrayed as so depraved that they are undeserving of rights and bodily autonomy.

Incels call for women to be stripped of their rights and be forced to serve as state-mandated girlfriends or held in concentration camps. Incels see themselves as the sexless victims of women's nature, and call for them to be contained or controlled accordingly.

The “black pill" refers to the oppression of incels at the hands of biologically malevolent women. In various online cultures, to take the black pill is to give up hope. And in incel culture specifically, it is to give up hope of ever having sex or a genuine romantic connection. Because they believe attractiveness is genetically determined, there is no hope for incels to rise in the hierarchy. They will be forever denied sex and happiness, and are doomed to be women's victims. Nihilistic despair and dogmatic hopelessness permeates incel communities and it is from this that violence flows.

Death and Violence

Given that the alternative is to languish in unceasing oppression, incel ideology legitimises violence against practically any target. Incel forums simultaneously glorify suicide whilst justifying extreme violence against women as a noble reaction to female domination. Violence is an ideological response; a means to punish women for their perceived crimes and reclaim what has been usurped. Incel ideology is necessarily violent because there is no hope, only revenge.

For some time, the wider world has instinctively dismissed what is, admittedly, a childish ideology based on crude stereotypes and nonsensical concepts. Sadly this is no longer an option. Plymouth is not the first shooting linked to incels. Californian Elliot Rodger, a self-described “kissless virgin," killed six in 2014 as “revenge" against those who denied him sex. Incel communities venerate Rodger as a saint to this day.

In Toronto, Canada, Alek Minassian was convicted of murdering ten people with a van in 2018. He hailed Rodger online minutes prior to the attack. Recent attacks in Canada, Arizona and Germany have also been linked to incels, while a planned attack in Ohio was discovered only days before Plymouth. There are many more examples, and some are calling for the Plymouth shooting to be classified as an act of terror.

Although not obviously political, incel ideology revolves around imagined subjugation, and violence is intended to have a far-reaching social impact. Rodger hoped to “deliver a devastating blow" that would shake women to “the core of their wicked hearts". Minassian fantasised of an “incel rebellion" that would overthrow the corrupt social order and return women to their proper place.

Few incels believe this is actually feasible, but allegiance to the principle motivates violence intended to strike at the social order and harm women as a distinct class. This is why the extreme violence of the incel community should be considered terrorism.

Incel terrorism has spiked over the last decade and there is every indication this community is growing. If this most recent attack was motivated by incel ideology, it was neither the first nor likely to be the last. For all their warped concepts and ideological incoherence, incels are becoming a threat we must take seriously.

—Courtesy of Raw Story

I've heard of this.

As usual, I see the occult's role in egging this dynamic on.

Situations that cause extreme emotions result in those overreacting being devoured for magic energy.

Those whose humanity is being devoured almost seem demonic don't they?

The problem is the current dynamic, where people give up because it is obvious that they cannot win. This phenomena stretches beyond the incel issue.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

And many, many others lead normal, decent lives, with love and respect for the other gender.

Not if they're being influenced by a culture that ravages their relational sensibilities weekend and weekout.

I think, brother, that you may agree that you and I are now a minority, being that we're both married men who have been married for respectable lengths of time. And we both strive to encourage respect toward women ... however imperfect our own respective life record may have been.

 

[pescador]

Facemash was the precursor to Facebook, combined with his development on CourseMatch. He was interested in knowing as much as he could about other people without having to interact with them. Does this describe a person from the OP? You decide.

Everything to know about Facemash, the site Zuckerberg created in college to rank 'hot' women - Metro US

Here is what Mark Zuckerberg actually said: “No, Congressman,” Zuckerberg replied. “Facemash was a prank website that I launched in college, in my dorm room, before I started Facebook. … The claim that Facemash was somehow connected to the development of Facebook, it isn’t, it wasn’t…it actually has nothing to do with Facebook.” (my emphases)

You should try to be more accurate with what you post, as others will verify it.

 

[bèlla]

Torture and imprisonment has an effect on people. It always will. Assigning blame in that scenario doesn't really accomplish anything except it makes people feel better about what they do to others.

Who is being tortured?
Who is being imprisoned?

Declining someone's interest isn't equal to torture or imprisonment. You may feel bothered, disappointed, or sad. But they aren't physically harming you.

 

[TheWhat?]

Forced castration, warfare to kill off males, abortions of male fetuses, or maybe eventually genetic modification are not reasonable alternatives to anything. They are all cruel, violent, non-Christian actions.

Well, in the old days, war would have taken care of that problem. Without war, this is what we're left with, if social change is not an option.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don't think Hugh Hefner factors into this phenomenon very much. He wasn't what I or really anyone would call "celibate".

Please see the context of all of the posts that I've already posted in this thread, Ana!

That's fine if you don't think Hugh Hefner factors into this. But I DO !! And not only him; I just use his name as a defining icon for what it is for anyone like him, or worse than him, to promote his sexually disjointed views ... and in all of their less than glorious social effect in our world.

 

[TheWhat?]

Who is being tortured?
Who is being imprisoned?

Declining someone's interest isn't equal to torture or imprisonment. You may feel bothered, disappointed, or sad. But they aren't physically harming you.

There are some relatively rare exceptions, but usually people don't reach boiling point unless something has driven them there.

 

[bèlla]

Those whose humanity is being devoured almost seem demonic don't they?

I've never encountered anything along those lines. It was clearly evil. That's why the foreboding happened. But I've seen traces elsewhere. The right circumstances might encourage the same. I recognize the spirit now. It's diabolical.

The problem is the current dynamic, where people give up because it is obvious that they cannot win. This phenomena stretches beyond the incel issue.

There's an undercurrent of anger and frustration which leads to apathy and disenfranchisement. Beyond this discussion.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

There are some relatively rare exceptions, but usually people don't reach boiling point unless something has driven them there.

Reaching boiling point doesn't mean you were wronged. It means you've reached an emotional breaking point. You may process the experiences as violations. But that doesn't mean they were malicious.

Not getting your way doesn't make you a victim.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Who is being tortured?
Who is being imprisoned?

Declining someone's interest isn't equal to torture or imprisonment. You may feel bothered, disappointed, or sad. But they aren't physically harming you.

It has been pointed out recently that people who are depressed not only feel emotional pain, but also physical pain as well.

If someone was surrounded by people who laughed at them constantly because they're socially irrelevant, when they're body is telling that they have needs (which also causes pain when not met) - the constant pain endured would be calculated by the subconscious as torture. Kind of like how verbal shouting matches can be assessed as abuse, though no physical violence actually occurs.

As far as being imprisoned, when it's like that wherever you go, it is kind of like a prison. Isn't it?

The murder suicide pattern appears rational when observed through this lense, (though these actions are completely insane) so catching them before they explode is possibly the next direction of law enforcement in future decades.

 

[bèlla]

It has been pointed out recently that people who are depressed not only feel emotional pain, but also physical pain as well.

We can't make generalizations and say everyone who behaves this way was teased or bullied. We're dealing with attraction. Some qualities are more attractive than others.

This group struggles to connect with the opposite sex. You can counsel them and work on their shortcomings. But it still comes down to yay or nay from her. She has to accept him. You can't fix or force that.

 

[TheWhat?]

Reaching boiling point doesn't mean you were wronged. It means you've reached an emotional breaking point. You may process the experiences as violations. But that doesn't mean they were malicious.

Not getting your way doesn't make you a victim.

We live in a nation with the highest incarceration rate in the world, with over 6 million people in correctional supervision, the majority being men. We have a problem with mass killings. Obviously we have a problem on our hands.

But you would like to assign blame to an underclass of males and I'm failing to see how you intend to solve any problems, at all. My point is, the only problem there is to solve by doing so is a problem with one's own conscience.